Klopp has also reached a CL final with Dortmund tbf. Much better manager than Rafa
Liverpool 2018/19
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Certainly better than the amount of defending I see of the Glazers and Woodward.
Congrats. Top Job done. Great football, great development. Klopp simply deserves it.
With a cracking squad, quickly dismantled by Bayern.
Rafa often worked miracles with mostly midtable players.
He bought well. He made this squad
I agree. Ole started well, but we didnt push on. It is not the Ole thread, but i am not optimistic
He took over in October and managed 30 premier league games that season. They were only a few points off the top 4 when he took over.
Whatever. So far, they have achieved the same with Liverpool.
Okay but they still put their eggs in the Europa League basket. It's what we did under Mourinho.
Not a bad season for them in the end. For the level they played they needed a trophy for their season efforts.
Hard to win the league when the title winners average 99 points over two seasons, Liverpool gave it a very good go but difficult to see them coming as close next season. Cups remain thejr best chance next season.
Hard to win the league when the title winners average 99 points over two seasons, Liverpool gave it a very good go but difficult to see them coming as close next season. Cups remain thejr best chance next season.
Congratulations, Liverpool!
It must be the right place to do that after all. Not a great final though, but this team succeeded in doing very well both Premier League and UEFA Champions League and with enjoyable performance in general. Klopp has been doing an excellent job.
It must be the right place to do that after all. Not a great final though, but this team succeeded in doing very well both Premier League and UEFA Champions League and with enjoyable performance in general. Klopp has been doing an excellent job.
Absolutely mental that they’ve won the European cup with Origi scoring the winner.
It’s all down the Klopp sadly. He’s done a 10/10 job with them. Pr*ck.
It’s all down the Klopp sadly. He’s done a 10/10 job with them. Pr*ck.
I mean, the final was against Spurs so it wouldn't been surprising had they not actually done it.
Klopp is an elite manager, one of the best in the world. Ole is.. well, I like the guy but I cannot see him competing at this level at ALL.
What bothers me the most is that they're not a team built with money chasing galacticos. Just normal players who work exceedingly well together, under top class manager that successfully raises the overall level of each player. A team who are united together and play for the shirt.
Almost reminds me of us under Fergie.
Almost reminds me of us under Fergie.
Congrats Liverpool. 6 times 
Just hope it’s not long before we’re competing with them again
Just hope it’s not long before we’re competing with them again
Funny unrelated thing is that in the last 6 UCL seasons Bayern have lost to the eventual winners 5 times now
yep all except of Atletico (they should of won it though
)Our best teams under Fergie had more quality though(not to diminish Fergie's work at all).
They've only got maybe 2-3 WC players.
They are being managed to the utmost maximum by Klopp.
I wouldn't call the SAF squads as "normal.players working together"
Liverpool 2019 is truly another version of 2005; main difference is that in 2019 the "comeback miracle" has happened in the semis, not the 2nd half of the actual final.
Liverpool 2019: another club that wins the UCL after beating Barça in the semis: Madrid, Utd, Inter, Chelsea, Bayern.
Oh I agree I wouldn't say their players are similar to ours in terms of quality. But the overall togetherness of that team along with a manager who gets the absolute best out of them reminds me quite a bit of what we once were. Not to mention the players working their bollocks off to get a winner, pinning teams back and playing quality football.
I just hope it doesn't last anywhere near as long
We really should have kicked on from 2008.Congrats Liverpool. 6 times
Just hope it’s not long before we’re competing with them again
But our leadership was complacent. Whether you want to call out Sir Alex or the Glazers , it's a moot point. We were at the pinnacle, sold the Worlds Best Player at the time for a record fee and then bought peanuts.
And that's even before Sir Alex retired. Since then has been so bad. We aren't competing for a good 3-4 years.
This team is a lot bettet than 2005 one and could sadly dominate for years.
There was a lot of talk of creating a dynasty at City but with Pep leaving after he's fed up with a club and wanting a new sugar daddy club challenge and Klopp staying at Liverpool I fear they're the ones who could start a dynasty.
Pair that with the current state of our club and it's a grim situation to say the least.
Just one wc player instead of Ronaldo instead of Valencia and Obertan and all would have been a lot better. But we penny pinched and the rest is history.
3-4 years is optimistic in my opinion. I’m sorry to say but I can’t see us being back at the top level for a very long time. 20-30 years even.
Oh come on now. It wont be that long surely. A lot can happen in that time.
It'll take about 20-30 years before we've given all the club legends our fans want, a decent shot. You might not be too wrong.
Well said. Very eloquent.
It's almost impossible to predict, but 20-30 years seems way too long. It all depends on how we plan our next few years.
It really is impossible to say, you never know what’s around the corner. Nothing about the club in its current state suggests to me that we can compete at the highest level for the foreseeable future. Personally it just looks so bleak to me. Can’t see a silver bullet.
This team is miles better than the 2005 one.
I know. It looks terrible, no 2 ways about it. But all can change in a year. For instance if Glazers fek of.
Garbage.
I wish I was half as optimistic as you are.
Changing the football side of the club is one thing but kicking the glazers out is another story.
I think the obvious difference between United and Liverpool over the last few years is patience.
Klopp has been at Liverpool since Van Gaal was at United, which feels like ages ago.
Since then, Mourinho has come in, made questionable signings, and left.
We've now replaced him with a manager that most don't believe in, and who will likely be replaced before he knows it.
Klopp on the other hand, has had all the time he needs to develop his side into one of the best in Europe.
He's been backed heavily in the market, but he's been backed more heavily by having a board that believe in him and his 'project'
Our board could learn a thing or two from our dirty Scouse neighbours.
Klopp has been at Liverpool since Van Gaal was at United, which feels like ages ago.
Since then, Mourinho has come in, made questionable signings, and left.
We've now replaced him with a manager that most don't believe in, and who will likely be replaced before he knows it.
Klopp on the other hand, has had all the time he needs to develop his side into one of the best in Europe.
He's been backed heavily in the market, but he's been backed more heavily by having a board that believe in him and his 'project'
Our board could learn a thing or two from our dirty Scouse neighbours.
Maybe they'll decide to sell.
Well done to them, well deserved winners. They play exceptional football under Klopp, a trophy was the only thing missing.
(closed thread, so I'll post this here: )
First of all, I know some individuals don't care about records, honours, etc. I do. Man Utd having 20 league titles and Liverpool 18 is important for me. Liverpool now having 6 UCL while Barça has 5 is important for me. And it pisses me off.
While I can live with the fact that Madrid will always be King of Europe (nobody, I mean, nobody will ever win 13 UCL titles before Madrid gets their 14th), seeing Liverpool getting ahead of Bayern and Barça is worrying.
AC Milan, with 7 titles, has imploded and who knows when (if) they'll get back to their former glory (oil money?). What I'm saying is that I can see Liverpool lifting their 7th before Bayern (currently rebuilding and known for mediocre long eras in Europe, last one in 2002-2009) and Barça (not even Messi guarantees a UCL title anymore, as 2016-19 has shown).
Has Liverpool become the new UCL sensation? A club with zero Premier Leagues (despite close calls in 2009, 2014 and 2019), but (re)built to win Knockout Cups, because of the "believe" mentality, the four titles in 77-84 (boost factor-we were always great, etc), the enthusiasm of the owners and fans, and last but not least the Anfield factor.
All I know is that Bayern, Barça and Man Utd overthink the UCL way too much while Liverpool just seems to enjoy the heck out of it.
First of all, I know some individuals don't care about records, honours, etc. I do. Man Utd having 20 league titles and Liverpool 18 is important for me. Liverpool now having 6 UCL while Barça has 5 is important for me. And it pisses me off.
While I can live with the fact that Madrid will always be King of Europe (nobody, I mean, nobody will ever win 13 UCL titles before Madrid gets their 14th), seeing Liverpool getting ahead of Bayern and Barça is worrying.
AC Milan, with 7 titles, has imploded and who knows when (if) they'll get back to their former glory (oil money?). What I'm saying is that I can see Liverpool lifting their 7th before Bayern (currently rebuilding and known for mediocre long eras in Europe, last one in 2002-2009) and Barça (not even Messi guarantees a UCL title anymore, as 2016-19 has shown).
Has Liverpool become the new UCL sensation? A club with zero Premier Leagues (despite close calls in 2009, 2014 and 2019), but (re)built to win Knockout Cups, because of the "believe" mentality, the four titles in 77-84 (boost factor-we were always great, etc), the enthusiasm of the owners and fans, and last but not least the Anfield factor.
All I know is that Bayern, Barça and Man Utd overthink the UCL way too much while Liverpool just seems to enjoy the heck out of it.
Let's be honest. I'm not even a Liverpool's supporter and personally I'd rather see Barcelona or even Ajax winning it. But it must be painful not earning any relevant trophy this year after a superb campaign in Premier League. By the way, Klopp's work really deserved a worthy reward.
They are going do be a force to reckon with as long as Klopp is there. However when he leaves they are as fecked as one could be. No one at Liverpool is going to be able to repeat what he has done.
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