And it's not deluded to have Shaw over him either, which is what I was responding to in B20's original post where he said "Is this some bizarre bid to strengthen the claim that Shaw is the best lb in the league?" Depending on your preference, how much you see one or the other, the system you'll be playing, and other variables, I think both opinions are valid, and I don't think having Shaw in the conversation is "bizarre" as he suggested. I shouldn't have said that Shaw is "definitely" better (though in my mind he is), as the wording might be too strong, but that was more in reaction to the way the initial point was worded.