Liverpool, fecking Liverpool ask the FA to look into VAR at the derby.

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I'm not sure why everyone is giving out about Liverpool here ? They haven't asked for anything to happen in their favour but simply asked for the decisions to be looked at and explained and i'm delighted they have. Someone needs to answer for those decisions today and this will only benefit the league going forward and improve VAR. Look what happened after the shitshow of a weekend with all the handball penalties and the farcical one given against United, it was looked at and the rule amended for the benefit of the game. We need more teams and more players/managers/pundits really questioning some of the crazy stuff we've seen over the last year if we want it to change. Think back to the start of last season and how VAR was afraid to overturn a refs decision. A club with Uniteds stature or liverpools stature is needed to change some of the mind boggling decisions we've seen.
What do you want? The FA to apologise for the odd bad decision that goes against Liverpool? (as opposed to the 20 that somehow go in their favour which presumably should just be ignored)

Clubs need to get off their high horse. There will always be some bad decisions. Of course it's terrible when it goes against you. Like the Martial Lamela incident. But what "explaination" from the official will actually help? This is probably just Livepool acting like the self entitled pricks they are.
 

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Actually we might get a lot from this. With all our bad luck and dodgy calls against us maybe this will open the PL’s eyes to the obvious mistakes being made by VAR and the idiots who run it. Today was a disgrace evident by 99% of pundits and ex refs agreeing that both big decisions were missed. I can live with refs being refs but a replay system that get’s it wrong in front of every sensible person who all agree( except you lot) that it was wrong on both accounts.
Hopefully we benefit with some calls going our way going forward and open the PL’s eyes into what a farce VAR is.
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What do you want? The FA to apologise for the odd bad decision that goes against Liverpool? (as opposed to the 20 that somehow go in their favour which presumably should just be ignored)

Clubs need to get off their high horse. There will always be some bad decisions. Of course it's terrible when it goes against you. Like the Martial Lamela incident. But what "explaination" from the official will actually help? This is probably just Livepool acting like the self entitled pricks they are.
As a United fan I'd want 1) a lengthy ban for Pickford. 2) The FA documenting precisely how precise (heh) VAR is when checking for offsides. We're not measuring individual atoms here, at some point the system just isn't good enough to say for sure. Where is that point? How close was Mane? 3) Longer term I want a discussion on if offside calls should stay as a strict "offside is offside" like now, or if it should be treated on an obvious error basis. Yes, offside is offside, but this is lame.
 

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As a United fan I'd want 1) a lengthy ban for Pickford. 2) The FA documenting precisely how precise (heh) VAR is when checking for offsides. We're not measuring individual atoms here, at some point the system just isn't good enough to say for sure. Where is that point? How close was Mane? 3) Longer term I want a discussion on if offside calls should stay as a strict "offside is offside" like now, or if it should be treated on an obvious error basis. Yes, offside is offside, but this is lame.
They don't need to document such things. As per the VAR check he was offside and I think you have to have a black and white rule when it comes to offside. The whole idea of "margins" I've seen people propose is silly. What next? Margins for goal line technology allowing non goals as goals too?
 

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Whatever happens to fair judgement ? What about all the penalties United are given time and time again, since the time of Ferguson, remember your penalty awarded after the whistle recently ?

Prickfords tackle was a straight red, but ignored only for VAR and Oliver to uselessly analyse if it was offside, completely ignoring the tackle. Richarlison gets a well deserved Red. But the Henderson goal was perfectly onside, only for David Coote, a proven United fan, behind the VAR to rule it out.

And to the OP of this thread, have you forgotten all your controversies regarding the FFP, which is another joke like VAR. Only reason your Pep is able to buy the Epl trophy, only to fail flawlessly in the UCL.

I rest my case.
How many are unfair penalties? So are you going to ignore the rule and come up with penalty after full time?

Btw yes I remember the historic penalty against Brighton which was awarded as per the rule.
 

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They don't need to document such things. As per the VAR check he was offside and I think you have to have a black and white rule when it comes to offside. The whole idea of "margins" I've seen people propose is silly. What next? Margins for goal line technology allowing non goals as goals too?
No, they don't need to do anything, but I want them to. Sometimes people do things they don't need to do, especially when people complain. "As per the VAR check" he was offside only if he was measured to be so outside of any margin of error. What are the error margins and how much was he offside by?

No, nothing next. Sometimes things stop. The whole point of football is to get the ball over the line. Offside has nothing to do with the game, it's a rule created to make the game better. This current enforcement of the rule doesn't make the game better, so it should go.
 

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No, they don't need to do anything, but I want them to. Sometimes people do things they don't need to do, especially when people complain. "As per the VAR check" he was offside only if he was measured to be so outside of any margin of error. What are the error margins and how much was he offside by?

No, nothing next. Sometimes things stop. The whole point of football is to get the ball over the line. Offside has nothing to do with the game, it's a rule created to make the game better. This current enforcement of the rule doesn't make the game better, so it should go.
I’m sure you’re right that the off-side rule is there to make the game better. But - does it? I have often wondered how the game would change if the whole concept of off-side were scrapped. Players would be spread out around the pitch. There would probably be more goals with score-lines of 9-4! There wouldn’t be any more endless inquests measuring millimetres. Would that be all bad?
 

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He'll have gotten himself into a spot of bother with those comments.
Yes but as usual MOTD now showing him say that. Also Mane dive was a disgrace and should be retrospective action.
Offside is offside and Id say even if mm off then its off. Simple. To complain to FA sets a dangerous precedent. We could end up with clubs taking legal action.
 

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Liverpool have no shame. After getting all those last minute dodgy penalties last season and goal disallowed against them, one game they didn't get it the way they wanted, they start complaining about it.
 

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Christ, its like they're the first club to get some rough decisions in a game. Not surprising though given their attitude.

Bloody hell they'll still win the league most likely so in 6 months nobody will remember this game, which they didnt even lose.

I guess you cant buy class.
 

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Henderson should have some sort of ban for suggesting they 'bend lines to declare goals offside'. That's as disrespectful as it gets, and suggests foul play.

A United player makes that statement and gets roasted in the media and gets a lengthy ban.
 

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Whatever happens to fair judgement ? What about all the penalties United are given time and time again, since the time of Ferguson, remember your penalty awarded after the whistle recently ?

Prickfords tackle was a straight red, but ignored only for VAR and Oliver to uselessly analyse if it was offside, completely ignoring the tackle. Richarlison gets a well deserved Red. But the Henderson goal was perfectly onside, only for David Coote, a proven United fan, behind the VAR to rule it out.

And to the OP of this thread, have you forgotten all your controversies regarding the FFP, which is another joke like VAR. Only reason your Pep is able to buy the Epl trophy, only to fail flawlessly in the UCL.

I rest my case.
Pipe down mate. Don't make us go back through all the times you got lucky goals last year. You have to take the rough with the smooth.

We got a penalty after the final whistle yes, but it was a penalty.

Are you forgetting how United got screwed by var as well this season?

Going back further before var, how about when Ferdinand got a penalty awarded against him for a foul against Newcastle which wasn't a foul, and it cost us a win and ultimately the league title that year?

Grow up you moaners. Or better still, print a t shirt and wear it next game yeah?
 

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Christ, its like they're the first club to get some rough decisions in a game. Not surprising though given their attitude.

Bloody hell they'll still win the league most likely so in 6 months nobody will remember this game, which they didnt even lose.

I guess you cant buy class.
Bingo.
 

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The least self-aware and most self-fellating club in world football. And that’s saying something considering the stiff competition they face from Dortmund, Barcelona, Celtic et al. Why are you lot even surprised?

Hideous, victim-complex wankers.
 

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No, they don't need to do anything, but I want them to. Sometimes people do things they don't need to do, especially when people complain. "As per the VAR check" he was offside only if he was measured to be so outside of any margin of error. What are the error margins and how much was he offside by?

No, nothing next. Sometimes things stop. The whole point of football is to get the ball over the line. Offside has nothing to do with the game, it's a rule created to make the game better. This current enforcement of the rule doesn't make the game better, so it should go.
Either you believe in the offside rule or you don't. It's pointless keeping a margin of error of 2 inches or wherever you're proposing. In that case 2.0001 inches is also onside since it's such an irrelevant different. Keeping things black and white and maintaining balance between defenders and attackers, rather than giving attackers some random "benefit of doubt" as some Livepool fans, is illogical.

Isn't the current rule clear or does it quantify/have a margin when it comes to how far ahead an attacker has to be to be offside?
 

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Has an image yet been released that shows Mane in an offside position? All the ones I've seen are the ones that were shown on tv yesterday, which don't necessarily show him to be onside, but certainly don't show him to be offside.
 

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This is what happens when decisions go your way for an entire season. Freakin entitlement. They're probably confused that the luck they had last year isn't there at the moment.
 

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We had plenty of decisions against us last season. They are just not remembered by those foaming at the mouth because we still won those games despite it.
 

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Can you explain why you had been awarded more penalties than us at a time where we had 13 league titles and you none?



Mythical bullshit. Man United have been awarded 162 penalties since the Premier Leaggue began.
Liverpool have been awarded 158. We were awarded nine more penalties than you last season, meaning up until then Liverpool had the all time record for most penalties awarded.

Considering you spent years as a mid table club and have 1 PL title compared to our 13. As well as our far superior attacking play and players down the years. It is actually quite astonishing that you had been awarded more penalties than us. As in astonishing, shocking and nonsensical.

At the point of retiring Sir Alex Ferguson’s United had been awarded less Premier League penalties than Liverpool.

These are facts..
https://www.myfootballfacts.com/pre...ue/premier_league_penalty_statistics-by-club/

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-premier-league-penalties-than-any-other-team
I'm not sure of the relevance of thirty years of football. Nor am I trying to argue there's genuine bias for United. I was responding to the dominant line in this thread that Liverpool can't moan because they've benefitted more than anyone from VAR and under Klopp. They've not. By most judgements, United have. You only need to look for facts last season about the teams which won the most points because of overturned decisions: Brighton and then United way out ahead. This isn't to argue United are unduly favoured, it's arguing Liverpool aren't and therefore have a right to question when VAR leads to 2 points being lost and our best player maybe missing the season without any punishment.

Indeed, just as United fans must have felt under Ferguson when you were accused of getting all the decisions when in actual fact you were so good you minimised the importance of the bad ones that went against you, Liverpool under Klopp is exactly the same. We're currently on a historic unbeaten home run: an opposition player hasn't been sent off at Anfield since 2016, Spurs have had as many penalties at the Kop end as we have since 2017. Liverpool don't get the rub of the green, like Ferguson's United we're a very good team so people forget how many bad decisions we overcome. The reference to United's penalties was a way of illustrating that, really, and going by the numbers, we've had no more luck than you have.
 

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We had plenty of decisions against us last season. They are just not remembered by those foaming at the mouth because we still won those games despite it.
This could be a template post for every single club. Quit the whingeing.
 

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As a United fan I'd want 1) a lengthy ban for Pickford. 2) The FA documenting precisely how precise (heh) VAR is when checking for offsides. We're not measuring individual atoms here, at some point the system just isn't good enough to say for sure. Where is that point? How close was Mane? 3) Longer term I want a discussion on if offside calls should stay as a strict "offside is offside" like now, or if it should be treated on an obvious error basis. Yes, offside is offside, but this is lame.
I agree but my only frustration is no one give a shit when Lindelof gave away a penalty for handball. It wasn’t discussed at all by anyone, every one just laughed at United as usual. Then the second weekend, when those decisions happened 3-4 times for other teams, it became a big issue and the FA responded by changing the interpretation of the rule. It’s double standards by clubs, media and fans.
 

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Pickford should have gone but it’s embarrassing the way that they’ve done this and comes across as incredibly small-time and petty.

Every single club has had farcical decisions going their way since VAR was introduced and despite the tantrums post match, nobody has gone to this extent.

VAR definitely needs another overview of how it is used but this avenue from Liverpool is a cry-baby routine.
 
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No, they don't need to do anything, but I want them to. Sometimes people do things they don't need to do, especially when people complain. "As per the VAR check" he was offside only if he was measured to be so outside of any margin of error. What are the error margins and how much was he offside by?

No, nothing next. Sometimes things stop. The whole point of football is to get the ball over the line. Offside has nothing to do with the game, it's a rule created to make the game better. This current enforcement of the rule doesn't make the game better, so it should go.
this thread is hilarious.

so now we should change the rules so that Liverpool can win?

I suppose this is the knock on effects of when you have a captain who says that VAR bend their lines.

I’ve never seen a club with less integrity, and less self awareness. From t shirts supporting a racist, to furloughed staff, to this and everything in between.

Liverpool have a genuine grievance when it comes to VVD. The keeper should have been sent off, and the ref misses it. these things happen. But calling for a review is utterly pathetic, and lacks respect - and therefore as you would expect from such as classless club.
 

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Pickford should have gone but it’s embarrassing the way that they’ve done this and comes across as incredibly small-time and petty.

Every single club has had farcical decisions going their way since VAR was introduced and despite the tantrums post match, nobody has gone to this extent.

VAR definitely needs another overview of how it is used but this avenue from Liverpool is a cry-baby routine.
I’m struggling to understand why anyone is shocked that Liverpool have behaved in this way. It’s not like they have a long, storied track record of being classless wankers.
 

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Either you believe in the offside rule or you don't. It's pointless keeping a margin of error of 2 inches or wherever you're proposing. In that case 2.0001 inches is also onside since it's such an irrelevant different. Keeping things black and white and maintaining balance between defenders and attackers, rather than giving attackers some random "benefit of doubt" as some Livepool fans, is illogical.

Isn't the current rule clear or does it quantify/have a margin when it comes to how far ahead an attacker has to be to be offside?
No, I believe in the purpose of the offside rule, to stop goal-hanging.

You're clearly mixing up the two things I'm saying here. The first is that the technology has limitations, I would like the FA to state what those limitations are. If e.g. the cameras can't measure more precisely than 1cm, then it shouldn't be ruled as offside if the attacker is 1 cm or less offside because we can't know if he's really offside and benefit should go to the attacker. That's the margin of error I've been talking about.

Then, as a separate point I've said that I think offside calls should be treated like all other infractions, namely that they can be overturned by VAR if there's a case of a clear and obvious error. If a foul happens VAR won't overturn it unless the ref clearly should've seen it, so it should in my opinion be with offsides. It's not about logic, football is a game and having perfectly good goals ruled out because of a mm offside is totally against the spirit of the game. The new handball rules are also very black and white. Very easy to judge with a video feed. They're also shit and should be changed back to what they were. They might be harder to judge, and the grey incidents might go either way, but at least a game won't be ruined by a stupid penalty for a handball that was both obviously unintentional and gave no advantage.
 

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this thread is hilarious.

so now we should change the rules so that Liverpool can win?

I suppose this is the knock on effects of when you have a captain who says that VAR bend their lines.

I’ve never seen a club with less integrity, and less self awareness. From t shirts supporting a racist, to furloughed staff, to this and everything in between.

Liverpool have a genuine grievance when it comes to VVD. The keeper should have been sent off, and the ref misses it. these things happen. But calling for a review is utterly pathetic, and lacks respect - and therefore as you would expect from such as classless club.
Why are you telling me this?
 

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Lose to Atletico and apparently they played too defensive.
Drop points in the league and the wind worked as a 12th man for the other side.
United lose 3 players due to injuries in the first half and they moan that broke the flow of the game.

The VVD one was a poor call but we've seen loads of decisions like the mane one go in their favour last season. The time it doesn't, they want a review. Having said all that, wait and watch how most of these 50-50's go in their favour in the coming weeks. The level of entitlement with this club is unbelievable.
 

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thanks for the pointless reply.

And get you want a granular explanation for every football decision that goes against you.

you realise a mm off side is actually offside don’t you?
I say that I don't like the current state of the game where goals are being disallowed for offsides invisible to the naked eye, and you find it fit to assume I'm a Liverpool fan, that I think we should bend the rules so that Liverpool can win, then you go on a rant about Liverpool as a club.

Which is fine, rant all you like. Why are you doing it to me? I guess I should've just ignored you and it would've stopped there.
 

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I think in the context of two of our players looking at significant injuries for horror tackles, I don't know why just asking is controversial.

Does Richarlison go in as badly as he does on Thiago if his teammate had not already been let off a leg-breaker earlier in the game? Doubtful. Failure to properly use the technology has resulted in players not being protected, and obviously this might have a massive effect on the season. That's the big issue for me.
 

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Hideous, victim-complex wankers.
That says it all
 

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Lose to Atletico and apparently they played too defensive.
Drop points in the league and the wind worked as a 12th man for the other side.
United lose 3 players due to injuries in the first half and they moan that broke the flow of the game.

The VVD one was a poor call but we've seen loads of decisions like the mane one go in their favour last season. The time it doesn't, they want a review. Having said all that, wait and watch how most of these 50-50's go in their favour in the coming weeks. The level of entitlement with this club is unbelievable.
Liverpool had so many decisions go for them last season that the same Mane borderline penalty against Leicester (there was contact) is the only one that gets referenced.
 
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I say that I don't like the current state of the game where goals are being disallowed for offsides invisible to the naked eye, and you find it fit to assume I'm a Liverpool fan, that I think we should bend the rules so that Liverpool can win, then you go on a rant about Liverpool as a club.

Which is fine, rant all you like. Why are you doing it to me? I guess I should've just ignored you and it would've stopped there.
I quoted your post. I’m not doing anything to you!