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I will let this one slide, Liverpool.

But absolutely no taking advantage of the UK government's job retention programs in these times of crises again. For three months.
 

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So it appears they could have afforded retaining staff on their own purse all along but chose to greedily exploit a government handout.

Good on the Liverpool fans for applying pressure.

The Liverpool FC business itself however retains the shame. The mask doesn't go back on.
 

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Reversing the decision is correct but the backlash left them no choice, so everyone, including their own fans, knows what the club is about now.
Our fans and people / ex-players associated with the club all seriously condemned the action (rightfully so), so that's what the club is about.

The only ones who didn't seem to know it here were our US owners, and that's a damn shame. Still glad they came round in the end but very poor judgment on their part.
 

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Our fans and people / ex-players associated with the club all seriously condemned the action (rightfully so), so that's what the club is about.

The only ones who didn't seem to know it here were our US owners, and that's a damn shame. Still glad they came round in the end but very poor judgment on their part.
Rent a quote moron John Barnes was defending your owners and saying it was the right decision about an hour before they came out apologised and reversed their decision :lol:
 

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Rent a quote moron John Barnes was defending your owners and saying it was the right decision about an hour before they came out apologised and reversed their decision :lol:
Well what can I say, you always have people who stick their head in the sand and try to defend the indefensible. Didn't he have some stupid quote a while ago where he said he'd be a better manager than someone? Can't remember exactly.

We don't get all that media coverage over here, so I barely hear any ex-Liverpool players speak out about this stuff in public, apart from Carragher on Twitter. Think I like it better this way if I have to believe the Caf about what Souness and the likes are saying sometimes.
 

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It was a terrible decision and I’m glad they corrected it. But how on earth they initially thought furloughing the staff in a time like this was a good idea, I’ll never know. Other than it being morally indefensible, which they apparently don’t care about, they must’ve known it would cause a big backlash from a PR standpoint.
 

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Rent a quote moron John Barnes was defending your owners and saying it was the right decision about an hour before they came out apologised and reversed their decision :lol:
:lol: That was so hilarious.

Barnes always tries to be the contrarion but they pulled the rug from under his feet there.
 

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It is funny seeing the (notably minority of) LFC fans who defended the club over furlough now pathetically scrambling to get on message after the back down.
 

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The media love in with this lot is ridiculous, Ian Wright actually called the u-turn a “Magnificent Decision” :lol:
 

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I thought the decision to furlough staff was a disgraceful one and I said as much on facebook. I got called out by someone for what I wrote but as I said to them, this is a business that generated £42m profit last year. This scheme isn't intended for them and any other multi million pound business.

Forget about the shite PR, I don't care about that. What I care about is whilst that money from the government is going towards a business that doesn't actually need it, that same money cannot then be spent on anything to help fight this virus.

Shite decision from the club initially and it's right that they have now reversed that. I love the club as everyone on here loves their own respective clubs. That doesn't mean that I blindly follow them and don't speak out when they feck up.

Oh, and as for that video above with the Liverpool 'fans' chanting about Munich, they're dicks and will never represent me or what I stand for.
 

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Yes of course they did a total u-turn.

And that is just another calcated business descision, after the negative attention furloughing their staff got in the first place. The millions saved would in the end be very expensive. But would they have gotten away with it without to much damage they 100% would not have turned it around imo. They showed their hand.
 

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A fantastic mix of waffle, whining and terribly written old toss from Tomkins. Dreadfully constructed and jam packed with total irrelevance.

But not totally stupid with the central business perspective. This is the world we live in. We know what football is like.

Then he completely misses the point though, innit?

That when it's so deeply unpopular even with your own punters, it's the wrong thing to do.

"Still a bellend, not his worse"
 

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I thought the decision to furlough staff was a disgraceful one and I said as much on facebook. I got called out by someone for what I wrote but as I said to them, this is a business that generated £42m profit last year. This scheme isn't intended for them and any other multi million pound business.

Forget about the shite PR, I don't care about that. What I care about is whilst that money from the government is going towards a business that doesn't actually need it, that same money cannot then be spent on anything to help fight this virus.

Shite decision from the club initially and it's right that they have now reversed that. I love the club as everyone on here loves their own respective clubs. That doesn't mean that I blindly follow them and don't speak out when they feck up.

Oh, and as for that video above with the Liverpool 'fans' chanting about Munich, they're dicks and will never represent me or what I stand for.
Good post. Every club has arsehole fans. We don't judge everyone by that standard. Chin up.
 

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What's most sickening is it takes something like this for the fans to complain or them going bankrupt under their previous owners.

They never lifted a finger to protest about their owners in the 60s,70s,80s because they were winning. They brought in shirt sponsorship, tried to get their own TV deal, screwed over smaller clubs by getting the FA to end sharing of gate receipts,their players and owners openly cheering on Thatcher etc. Then when football capitalism bit them in the ass they went around begging for new owners and investment.



At least the myth that scousers have a proud socialist tradition is being exposed.
 
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That's a fair response and I won't try and defend those who disgrace football on a daily basis. We all know it happens and we've got plenty of scum bags just like any one else. I was relieved to see some former players and a decent amount of fans criticizing the club for this furlough thing. Not John Barnes of course. He's defending the club and taking the devils advocate approach.

I do think that some of your frustrations should be directed at the media though. They chose to not criticize at times when they should and that's their choice. Maybe they're afraid of a backlash from our Twitter brigade but ultimately it's up to them what they say/write.
Absolutely. United have their fair share of neanderthals, too. (Lest we forget the shameful behaviour at Barnsley a few years ago when a cohort of our away end looted the concession stand.)

It would be preposterous to attach blame to the many for the actions of the few but it also doesn’t mean, as a rival fan, you should overlook the shameful behaviour either. Liverpool, as a city, is absolutely brilliant and the locals are, for the majority, genuinely sound and great craic. When it comes to the tribalism of football, however, a few bad eggs seem to be more boisterous than most and this belligerent element lets their club down, sadly.
 

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Our fans and people / ex-players associated with the club all seriously condemned the action (rightfully so), so that's what the club is about.

The only ones who didn't seem to know it here were our US owners, and that's a damn shame. Still glad they came round in the end but very poor judgment on their part.
What about when your entire club vilified Evra for being racially abused? This is just one instance on an increasingly long and embarrassing rap sheet.
 

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It was a terrible decision and I’m glad they corrected it. But how on earth they initially thought furloughing the staff in a time like this was a good idea, I’ll never know. Other than it being morally indefensible, which they apparently don’t care about, they must’ve known it would cause a big backlash from a PR standpoint.
Waitrose made the same mistake and reversal.

Making a shitty decision and then reversing it at the first whiff of controversy is also lame. I don't understand how any organisation can make such a decision, so deep into this crisis; cant they learn from others who made same mistake weeks ago.

Especially if they quickly reverse the decision as soon as public backlash happens. Suggests that there is zero empathy for the real world at board level. Plus a total lack of risk management in making such important decisions.

In a way, I'd have more respect for them if they stood by their initial decisions, because it would demonstrate rigour in decision making and some principles.
 
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Way too long to read besides it’s over isn’t it? The owners admitted their mistake and corrected it.
Not before further damaging their sketchy reputation and that of the club they represent.
 

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What about when your entire club vilified Evra for being racially abused? This is just one instance on an increasingly long and embarrassing rap sheet.
The evra debacle was beyond a joke. Even Charrager looks back and cringes on those t shirts :lol:

What other examples are there?
 

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Way too long to read besides it’s over isn’t it? The owners admitted their mistake and corrected it.
Its like it never really happened. Let's brush it under. Forget about it. It's just a simple mistake and they corrected it. No big deal. It doesn't mean FSG are a nasty peice of shit. So many fans condemned it but it looks like you would rather forget it ever happened huh?
 

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Waitrose made the same mistake and reversal.

Making a shitty decision and then reversing it at the first whiff of controversy is also lame. I don't understand how any organisation can make such a decision, so deep into this crisis; cant they learn from others who made same mistake weeks ago. Especially if they quickly reverse the decision as soon as public backlash happens.

Suggests that there is zero empathy for the real world at board level. Plus a total lack of risk management in making such important decisions.

In a way, I'd have more respect for them if they stood by their initial decisions, because it would demonstrate rigour in decision making and some principles.
Exactly. It was the wrong decision on every level and now they’ll be known as the guys who tried to take advantage of public funds during the worst economic crisis since forever. Glad that ex players and fans all seem to have condemned it, but they really shouldn’t have had to.
 

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Its like it never really happened. Let's brush it under. Forget about it. It's just a simple mistake and they corrected it. No big deal. It doesn't mean FSG are a nasty peice of shit. So many fans condemned it but it looks like you would rather forget it ever happened huh?
Bottom line is the workers are taken care of. I’m sure you are happy that they changed their mind but it doesn’t seem like it.
 

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Bottom line is the workers are taken care of. I’m sure you are happy that they changed their mind but it doesn’t seem like it.
I'm happy they did the right thing. But correcting a mistake does not change the fact that FSG showed how horrible they are. Don't get me wrong I think most of these rich businessmen are the same. FSG just showed they are stupid in addition to nasty.
 

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I'm happy they did the right thing. But correcting a mistake does not change the fact that FSG showed how horrible they are. Don't get me wrong I think most of these rich businessmen are the same. FSG just showed they are stupid in addition to nasty.
I don't think they can be labelled as stupid. It was a stupid decision but no more than that. They are very good owners on the whole and extremely clever business people. When they have made mistakes (like most owners do), they have been usually pretty quick to resolve them. This was a crap decision but one that has rightfully been reversed and I hope other big businesses see the backlash they got and avoid doing it themselves.
 

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Our fans and people / ex-players associated with the club all seriously condemned the action (rightfully so), so that's what the club is about.

The only ones who didn't seem to know it here were our US owners, and that's a damn shame. Still glad they came round in the end but very poor judgment on their part.
Did Squidward even condemn the club? He never criticizes the club on anything?