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Sorry for the gap. 30 games to go where VAR will properly feck over our luck from last season as the knowledgeable cafers have been educating me since before the summer. :cool:
I think you're right.

The fickle bitch that it is, good luck eventually turns the other way. I think Liverpool's incredible run of good fortune will come to an end in their next game. Whoever that may be.
 

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What an incredible start. Early days, but the next two games against the Manchester teams are massive. Could be 11+ points ahead if we pull it off.

Just as likely we'll be back to 6 point though.

Down to a 2 point lead wouldn't be a total surprise, though no doubt there'll be posters claiming we've bottled it in October if that happens.
 

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What an incredible start. Early days, but the next two games against the Manchester teams are massive. Could be 11+ points ahead if we pull it off.

Just as likely we'll be back to 6 point though.

Down to a 2 point lead wouldn't be a total surprise, though no doubt there'll be posters claiming we've bottled it in October if that happens.
You seriously think you would ever drop points against us? :lol:
 

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It's obvious this league is theirs. Pep's City peaked in 2017-2019 and Liverpool is still there to climb to the top, their 2018-19 momentum intact, City back to 2016-17 form (and without Kompany!).
 

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I'm not carried away yet but I said to myself before the season I'd rather not be top at xmas this time going off our history and where it ends up. But what I didn't expect what City to lose 2 in 8 already, they hadn't lost in their first 15 last season. We'll lose more than 1 game this season for sure, but to give us a bit of leeway we have to win one of the City games at least which we failed to do last season it's as simple as that.
 

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So how will they bottle this lead? Will they even bottle it? So many questions.
 

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They aren't playing at their highest level so good chance they'll bottle it.
Or a even better chance they get better. Champions sometimes have to win and grind out results when not playing well.

It could go either 2 ways they start playing worse and drop points OR they start playing better which we know they can and just run with it. This is subsequently there poor run of form..::but they are still winning ....
 

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Sad really. He was obviously having a breakdown and suffering with poor mental health. Must have been bad if he couldn't finish out the season. I guess those days were different to now mind.
It's strange how our clubs have suffered tragedies which have ultimately altered their respective destinies. I was only a few months old when the Munich tragedy happened, but my Dad reckoned that United would have won quite a few more league titles, & a couple of European cups at least, had The Busby Babes been allowed to fulfill their potential. Kenny's shock resignation brought about the appointment of Graham Souness, which in effect brought about our downfall. Difficult to say how Dalglish would have fared had the Hillsborough tragedy not occurred. I doubt very much we'd have finished 6th though in 1993 when United won their first title under Ferguson.
 

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Well, City are equally relentless, and regularly create more chances. The difference is, they don't get gifts from opposition in key moments. This crazy run will end one day, just one of those streaks when team can't do wrong. A long one though, but they end eventually.

Yeah, Liverpool were much better yesterday, but on the other hand City should have won vs Spurs by a margin, yet only got 1 point from that game. And that's actually normal in football, you shouldn't be winning all games even if you are dominant (which Liverpool aren't, by the way). It is funny how overconfident and unrealistic fans can get.
They got exactly what they deserved today though.......NOTHING. People going on about us being lucky, yet looking at the amount of chances we've created - & missed - over our first 8 games, I'd say on the balance of play in each match we've deserved our victories.
 

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You seriously think you would ever drop points against us? :lol:
We are miserable at old trafford. I do expect us to drop points and old trafford seems as likely as any place to do it.
 

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They got exactly what they deserved today though.......NOTHING. People going on about us being lucky, yet looking at the amount of chances we've created - & missed - over our first 8 games, I'd say on the balance of play in each match we've deserved our victories.
Well, stats tell a different story. City create more chances, and haven't had a single game where they xG wasn't higher than opponents. Liverpool had two of these (at Southampton and Chelsea).
 

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Well, stats tell a different story. City create more chances, and haven't had a single game where they xG wasn't higher than opponents. Liverpool had two of these (at Southampton and Chelsea).
Seeing as how City have scored 7 more goals than us I'd say the stats back your point up. The stats don't tell you why City played so poorly today though, or why they're 8 points adrift. The fact is, whilst we may not be as pretty as Pep's boys in what we do, the chances we create tend to be more effective, even if luck plays it's part from time to time.
 

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Seeing as how City have scored 7 more goals than us I'd say the stats back your point up. The stats don't tell you why City played so poorly today though, or why they're 8 points adrift. The fact is, whilst we may not be as pretty as Pep's boys in what we do, the chances we create tend to be more effective, even if luck plays it's part from time to time.
They aren't though; expected goals precisely reflect the difference in goals actually scored between the two teams. I watch both teams, and City do create significantly more.

What these stats don't tell though is how shaky City's defense can be at times. Although they don't concede significantly more chances, there is a feeling they are more likely to concede from speculative shots and set pieces (such as in Spurs game). Liverpool's concentration in defense is at a higher level.

Still, that can't account for 8 points difference, and the truth is that Liverpool have been quite fortunate at times, while for City it was the opposite. Still lot to play for though.
 

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They aren't though; expected goals precisely reflect the difference in goals actually scored between the two teams. I watch both teams, and City do create significantly more.

What these stats don't tell though is how shaky City's defense can be at times. Although they don't concede significantly more chances, there is a feeling they are more likely to concede from speculative shots and set pieces (such as in Spurs game). Liverpool's concentration in defense is at a higher level.

Still, that can't account for 8 points difference, and the truth is that Liverpool have been quite fortunate at times, while for City it was the opposite. Still lot to play for though.
I dont get this logic, it is 8 points, (2 losses and 2 draws) it is not mere bad luck, it shows how vulnerable City is. If you watch the games today, it is fair to say that Wolves have more real chances than City, they were lucky just conceded only two.

People somehow are easily be fooled of the fancy shining football they put on the pitch, and forget everything about effectiveness. Also because of this shining football, due to too many unnecessary passes, City has been vulnerable to so many mistakes from the wrong pass and their defenders become the victim to blame :))
 

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What an incredible start. Early days, but the next two games against the Manchester teams are massive. Could be 11+ points ahead if we pull it off.

Just as likely we'll be back to 6 point though.

Down to a 2 point lead wouldn't be a total surprise, though no doubt there'll be posters claiming we've bottled it in October if that happens.
While I am not at all that confident going to Old Trafford, I’m 100 percent certain we won’t be losing against City at Anfield
 

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While I am not at all that confident going to Old Trafford, I’m 100 percent certain we won’t be losing against City at Anfield
I wish I had that confidence. City are usually dreadful at Anfield but they'll be up for this one more than any other game this season especially if we have already dropped points at OT
 

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I wish I had that confidence. City are usually dreadful at Anfield but they'll be up for this one more than any other game this season especially if we have already dropped points at OT
It’s Anfield, we haven’t lost there in more then 2 years for a reason. City might be up for it on the day, but so would we, considering this is probably a game our lads will be targeting. If both teams is on it, we will prevail. Just imagine Otamendi and a barely fit Stones with our press. Takes you back to the Champions league tie doesn’t it...
 

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Matip & Allison back in after the international break will make us stronger.
 

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It’s Anfield, we haven’t lost there in more then 2 years for a reason. City might be up for it on the day, but so would we, considering this is probably a game our lads will be targeting. If both teams is on it, we will prevail. Just imagine Otamendi and a barely fit Stones with our press. Takes you back to the Champions league tie doesn’t it...
Fair one. One of my favourite nights on the Kop bettered only by the Barcelona game!
 

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I think you're right.

The fickle bitch that it is, good luck eventually turns the other way. I think Liverpool's incredible run of good fortune will come to an end in their next game. Whoever that may be.
May be the game after
 

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I dont get this logic, it is 8 points, (2 losses and 2 draws) it is not mere bad luck, it shows how vulnerable City is. If you watch the games today, it is fair to say that Wolves have more real chances than City, they were lucky just conceded only two.

People somehow are easily be fooled of the fancy shining football they put on the pitch, and forget everything about effectiveness. Also because of this shining football, due to too many unnecessary passes, City has been vulnerable to so many mistakes from the wrong pass and their defenders become the victim to blame :))
City were ahead in Xg (1.8-1.1).
 

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This was an interesting insight into the Nabil saga. Some disclosure by his then-agent - https://www.goal.com/en/news/i-was-ashamed-fekirs-former-agent-blames-players-entourage/1llqo6rq23phd1uwltpb4qbkgz
Nabil Fekir’s former agent has revealed that late demands from the player's entourage contributed to his Liverpool move falling through in the summer of 2018.

Fekir, who was playing for Lyon at the time, was on the verge of a move to Anfield, having travelled to Liverpool to finalise a deal.

At the last minute, however, Liverpool backed out of the deal, with Lyon president Jean-Michel Aulas saying later that the Reds had experienced a "change of heart."

There was speculation that Fekir's injury history prevented the £53 million (€60m/$66m) transfer, but the player's former representative Jean-Pierre Bernes says that isn't the full story.

“Nabil was Liverpool’s priority. I worked for four months with the Liverpool representatives, with (Liverpool manager) Jurgen Klopp, Jean-Michel Aulas, everything was ready," Bernes told Canal+.

"Nabil was already aware of his future contract, which would have seen him earn around €45m (£40m/$49m) over five years.

"And on the day that the contract was supposed to be signed, at Rambouillet, we saw a lawyer and Nabil’s brother-in-law arrive who said: ‘Stop everything, discussions have to start all over again.’

"It was surreal. We thought that we were in a Walt Disney film.”

Bernes did admit that Fekir's history of knee injuries were a factor in the deal falling through.

"There were two elements," Bernes said. "The player’s medical was negative and the second element was that when you want to sign for a big club like Liverpool, you need a certain attitude.

"When the Liverpool guys witnessed this cinema, they immediately … Sometimes when a player has an injury, representatives can make an effort to make it work.”

Bernes went on to explain that Fekir, who moved to Real Betis this summer for a £22m (€25m/$27m), was not aware of what was happening as the transfer fell through.

“The brother-in-law of Nabil Fekir all of a sudden acted like a player’s agent," Bernes continued. "He wanted a commission, everyone knows, it is fashionable these days.

"[Fekir] was on a cloud, he seemed to have transformed, he didn’t even greet the Liverpool representatives.

"He arrived after the medical, everyone was looking at each other, the Liverpool representatives were wondering where they were. I was ashamed.”

Last month, Fekir claimed that he still did not know exactly why his tranfer to Anfield did not materialise.

Fekir has made six La Liga appearances for Real Betis this season, scoring two goals and adding one assist.
 

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The thing is, if it wasn’t for our parasitic owners, we could have been the ones taking advantage of City faltering
 

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If they keep the front 3 injury free & sacrifice the cups can see them equaling or even breaking the 100 pt record. They had only 1 loss last season. The draws cost them the title but they still amassed 97 pts. With the rest of the league in meltdown & their helping hand which is VAR it can be done.
 

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We are miserable at old trafford. I do expect us to drop points and old trafford seems as likely as any place to do it.
We (Liverpool) are pretty average at most away games to the top 6. Klopp plays the occasion rather than the team. We made United away such hard work last time when we should have won had we not bottled it a bit. We could possibly win both our next 2 games given City are at Anfield if we go all out heavy metal.
 

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We (Liverpool) are pretty average at most away games to the top 6. Klopp plays the occasion rather than the team. We made United away such hard work last time when we should have won had we not bottled it a bit. We could possibly win both our next 2 games given City are at Anfield if we go all out heavy metal.
This is very true but I'm confident that he learned from that mistake and will just all out attack Utd's many weaknesses right now. Spurs look very vulnerable as well and are coming to Anfield after that, so another 6 points out of 6 is realistic (and should definitely be the main objective). It's gonna be the first time since the 0-3 win in 2014 that I will expect us to outright win the game rather than be happy enough with a draw.
 

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This Liverpool team is very difficult to predict. Their next 4 matches are against United, Spurs, Villa and City - all these teams are under immense pressure to bounce back and rescue their season following a string of bad results. Last season Liverpool blew a 9-point lead. But we will have a better idea in November if this is likely to be their season.
 

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This Liverpool team is very difficult to predict. Their next 4 matches are against United, Spurs, Villa and City - all these teams are under immense pressure to bounce back and rescue their season following a string of bad results. Last season Liverpool blew a 9-point lead. But we will have a better idea in November if this is likely to be their season.
In the league they've won like their last thousand games, they're easy to predict. It's gonna be rough for Utd, and most likely Ole's last game (if he's still here)
 

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In the league they've won like their last thousand games, they're easy to predict. It's gonna be rough for Utd, and most likely Ole's last game (if he's still here)
You're very good at OT though. You lot beat Chelsea 4-0 FFS!

I fully expect the United players to be up for this one.
 

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You're very good at OT though. You lot beat Chelsea 4-0 FFS!

I fully expect the United players to be up for this one.
You clearly haven't been watching us play :lol: (not that I blame you) We're not "very good" at OT at all, and the Chelsea result is more a freak occurrence than anything else.
 

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One thing's for sure, if they don't win it this year, they will never win it again.
 

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some people thinking that was a penalty has cheered me up a bit, :lol: :lol:

even Danny Murphy doesn't think it was a penalty
 

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even Danny Murphy doesn't think it was a penalty
You'd be hard pressed to find a more hateful and bitter scrotum if you tried.

If you find yourself agreeing with Danny Murphy, it means you should probably give your head a wobble and rethink your life choices.
 

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While I am not at all that confident going to Old Trafford, I’m 100 percent certain we won’t be losing against City at Anfield
I see the United game as a 'bonus' match insofar that anything we get will be a bonus. But if we lose we'll still be a minimum of 5 points clear of City after playing Chelsea & United away, plus Arsenal at home. I hope Klopp tells the lads to go for it at OT. Been a few years since we put in a good performance there.
 

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I see the United game as a 'bonus' match insofar that anything we get will be a bonus. But if we lose we'll still be a minimum of 5 points clear of City after playing Chelsea & United away, plus Arsenal at home. I hope Klopp tells the lads to go for it at OT. Been a few years since we put in a good performance there.
Better tell Alexander-Arnold to watch out for Mata's press now he's apparently our LW