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It's not smugness to say that Liverpool are more than simply luck merchants, which is what is being claimed at times. The stats suggest we're a very good team. I think City's level over the past two seasons has altered everyone's views about what a good side really is.
Nobody thinks Liverpool are just lucky and whoever said that is having a laugh. But you had your share of luck definitely.
Saying all that I just heard Silva is injured and unavailable for Sunday. :)
 

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I don't even care anymore, it's inevitable. My love for United will never waver but right now I'm watching our games due to pure addiction, not very healthy at all.

I could easily take our bad period when the league was competitive, but the last season and this one has been a total nightmare. Both City and Liverpool being almost untouchable is hard to witness.
Suddenly league is not competitive because your all traditional rivals are doing better than you? I have a question for you, if league isnt as competitive as it use to be then why Van Gaal and Jose Mourinho (both serial winners with every team they coached) couldnt win the league? Why your hand picked talents like Pogba, McGuire, Fred, Di Maria, Depay, Mata, Matic all struggled to win the uncompetitive league while they all have won before they signed for utd and other have managed to win titles after they have been offloaded?

You cant really say league isnt as competitive while you are losing to bournemouth, a team which hadnt scored in like 4 matches before they played Man Utd.
 

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Nobody thinks Liverpool are just lucky and whoever said that is having a laugh. But you had your share of luck definitely.
Saying all that I just heard Silva is injured and unavailable for Sunday. :)
It's all mind games from the bald one. I fully expect prime Kompany & Yaya Toure to line up for them on Sunday.

I might be wrong but I don't think Aguero has ever scored against us at Anfield.
 

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There getting the breaks it happens in football, sometimes the quality play gets what is deserves , even if it's in the 95th minute , even if a player goes down easily , it happens. The only thing is it cannot continue, in life and football it will come to an end!

When it ends who knows, at present they've gone behind for long long periods in games, but finding a way of getting maximum points out of them, this could be fortunate or just good quality confidence play, along with the opposition making errors.

It's just how it goes, I can remember UTD winning games they should not have, last minute goals an error from opposition, it's the pressure the good team put you under to make errors. There's at least 4 games they should have got a 1pt or nothing. UTD at home 85th min equaliser DDG didn't have much problems in the 90 mins, Southampton away, a 87 min open goal miss from them for 2-2.

Foxes at home 94th min pen with a dive, Sat again Villa 2 late late goals, Sheffield again 0-1 and they missed a hat full of chances, a goal keeping error got them out of that one. Look back a few years and same could be said for other title winning sides, it's how it goes.. Also add into the mix the freakish nature of hardly any long term injuries. I can only think of one Chamberlain .

Everyone knows Klopp plays Mane , Salha, Firmino, every time, rarely one of them is not fit, if one isn't, origi plays and often pops up with a goal. At present there top of the tree, this will and come to an end. ?
 

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They are the luckiest team going by far, wouldn't be surprised if Klopp has influenced the refs.

Next year is our year.
 

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We've had some luck over the past couple of seasons but when you're forcing the ball into your opponents area non-stop for 90mins, the chances are you're going to benefit from a mistake.

If you buy one lottery ticket, you've got hardly any chance, if you buy 300 of them, you've got a much better chance. If you won with one of those 300 tickets, yes luck has played a part but you wouldn't have won if you hadn't bought them all.

The narrative about our luck with injuries is a tiresome one though. Most injuries in football are muscule related. We've bought in some of the best fitness and conditioning coaches along with a world class nutritionist to help us combat potential injuries in this regard and it's paying dividends.

You have to have luck in football but you don't win things on luck alone, you have to work hard and well to create that luck
 

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Well yes. The chance reffered to were all clear cut chances that very poor decision making were to blame for the outcome not to be different. Also, owing to the number of Chelsea's chances and the number of chances Liverpool had in that match it is clear that Liverpool did not deserve to win that game and did so because Chelsea shot themselves in the foot, which imo is partly to do with them having an average age of about 12 atm.

Not really. Chelsea created a number of great oppotunities thaf were not taken partly due to their inexperience. Not really a case of playing FM.
So a few more 'if's'..

On top of the first ones you said, we can add that.. if Chelses had better decision making, if they hadn't shot themselves in the foot, if they had an older squad that were more experienced..

I am trying to understand you here.. Are you saying, that if this, put together with all the other 'if's' you said weren't reality, then we would and should have lost the game?
 

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I love when they become smug here. And just like years they're swarming the place. Every day along with old members I see about 5 new ones.
Speaking for myself only, I like this forum because it’s generally a good football forum. Yea there are some trolls, but on the whole there is a lot of good content and contributors.
 

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Suddenly league is not competitive because your all traditional rivals are doing better than you? I have a question for you, if league isnt as competitive as it use to be then why Van Gaal and Jose Mourinho (both serial winners with every team they coached) couldnt win the league? Why your hand picked talents like Pogba, McGuire, Fred, Di Maria, Depay, Mata, Matic all struggled to win the uncompetitive league while they all have won before they signed for utd and other have managed to win titles after they have been offloaded?

You cant really say league isnt as competitive while you are losing to bournemouth, a team which hadnt scored in like 4 matches before they played Man Utd.
What are you on about? We haven't won anything because we are shite, noone is disputing that.

My point is that before City won the league with record amount of points, the competition for a PL title was more intense and it wasn't so certain which team will become champion. Do you see anyone else challenging Liverpool and City this year, or even the next one?

And of course I'm seeing it from the perspective of a United fan, because we are talking about our 2 main rivals.
 

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What are you on about? We haven't won anything because we are shite, noone is disputing that.

My point is that before City won the league with record amount of points, the competition for a PL title was more intense and it wasn't so certain which team will become champion. Do you see anyone else challenging Liverpool and City this year, or even the next one?

And of course I'm seeing it from the perspective of a United fan, because we are talking about our 2 main rivals.
Just because no other team cant challenge liverpool or city doesnt make less competitive or challenging. Infact its exactly opposite. Liverpool could have easily won the league any other season with the points total they had last season same with Utd the tear before if it wasnt for Man City.

Liverpool and Man City have raised the level of competition. Now to win the league you have to score atleast 95+ points and even then there is no guarantee. Instead of winning league at 80 points the seasons before. Look at emergence of tottenham, watford, wolves and surprise team or rwo every season. Instead of top 4 its now top 6. If thats not competitive i dont what else is.
 

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We've had some luck over the past couple of seasons but when you're forcing the ball into your opponents area non-stop for 90mins, the chances are you're going to benefit from a mistake.

If you buy one lottery ticket, you've got hardly any chance, if you buy 300 of them, you've got a much better chance. If you won with one of those 300 tickets, yes luck has played a part but you wouldn't have won if you hadn't bought them all.

The narrative about our luck with injuries is a tiresome one though. Most injuries in football are muscule related. We've bought in some of the best fitness and conditioning coaches along with a world class nutritionist to help us combat potential injuries in this regard and it's paying dividends.

You have to have luck in football but you don't win things on luck alone, you have to work hard and well to create that luck
Why even bother trying to defend it? It's jealousy and envy from sour United fans. Been saying for some time here, if ya don't want Liverpool to win then be better ourselves. Instead got a bunch of sour puss babies wishing to lose our own cup finals in exchange for you lot losing out on your own earned trophies. So what more do you expect from these children? They're so weak they couldn't handle the last manager lambasting our awful ceo and players. Now theyre cheering one victory against the worst team in the league and excusing loss after loss to dross. Really don't need to worry twice about the loser mentality here...that's why they chalk your position up to luck. They've forgotten the grit of Fergie days when you make your own, indeed, as Liverpool have been doing.
 

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Just because no other team cant challenge liverpool or city doesnt make less competitive or challenging. Infact its exactly opposite. Liverpool could have easily won the league any other season with the points total they had last season same with Utd the tear before if it wasnt for Man City.

Liverpool and Man City have raised the level of competition. Now to win the league you have to score atleast 95+ points and even then there is no guarantee. Instead of winning league at 80 points the seasons before. Look at emergence of tottenham, watford, wolves and surprise team or rwo every season. Instead of top 4 its now top 6. If thats not competitive i dont what else is.
Are you being purposefully obtuse? I made my point very clear and it has nothing to do with the league in general. I'm talking about competing for the highest honours - PL title, CL, FA Cup. That's where Liverpool and City are favourites and only in the CL you could say there are 3-4 teams that can challenge them.

I remember you as the poster who has said multiple times how he dislikes our club and fanbase. What a sad life you must have to be on a forum of ours and engaging with the same fans you apparently think badly about.
 

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Absolutely true. Klopp's Liverpool have the never-say-die attitude we had and it's as sad as it is important for United fans to admit it.

If the Scousers who pissed and moaned corruption and conspiracy through Fergie's era feel foolish and would like to apologise for their conduct during that time I'd love to hear it (I fear I'll be waiting a long time), but equally I have no time to hear sobbing about Liverpool's outrageous luck and how unfair their injury time winners are. Recognise what they've got, pray it doesn't go on much longer and pray we get our arses into gear soon.
 

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Recognise what they've got, pray it doesn't go on much longer and pray we get our arses into gear soon.
I always believe in you make your own luck. What Liverpool do under Klopp is when what we used to do when drawing or losing with 10 minutes to go. It was wave after wave of attack, pressure which cranks up by the minute.

Then come the 90th minute teams think they have won the game, players switch off and win the game.

It has nothing to do with luck, we could be lucky as well but 1-0 to Bournemouth we cant even attack.
 

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Absolutely true. Klopp's Liverpool have the never-say-die attitude we had and it's as sad as it is important for United fans to admit it.

If the Scousers who pissed and moaned corruption and conspiracy through Fergie's era feel foolish and would like to apologise for their conduct during that time I'd love to hear it (I fear I'll be waiting a long time), but equally I have no time to hear sobbing about Liverpool's outrageous luck and how unfair their injury time winners are. Recognise what they've got, pray it doesn't go on much longer and pray we get our arses into gear soon.
I sincerely apologize for United's corruption and conspiracies which led to many titles and other successes.

But seriously I never thought that was the case about United. I did think Ferguson was good at the whole mind games thing and made the odd comment here and there (similar to Guardiola's comment about Mane diving), but Ferguson was one of a kind. I don't think there will ever be a manager as good as he was ever again in England.

Would've been interesting to see how he would've got on against Guardiola's City.
 

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I sincerely apologize for United's corruption and conspiracies which led to many titles and other successes.

But seriously I never thought that was the case about United. I did think Ferguson was good at the whole mind games thing and made the odd comment here and there (similar to Guardiola's comment about Mane diving), but Ferguson was one of a kind. I don't think there will ever be a manager as good as he was ever again in England.

Would've been interesting to see how he would've got on against Guardiola's City.
Ha so I wasn't waiting long after all :lol:. Accepted, of course.

I fully agree, and I think part of that is the longevity of success in English football Fergie will always have that no Joses, Klopps and Peps will match in the modern era. That means even record points totals, domestic trebles and any greater successes that may come in the near future (:nervous:) will never match what Fergie brought to the league over 26 years.

I think what you can say about Pep and Klopp, particularly the latter in my opinion, is that he has his team emulating the greatest aspect of Fergie's United sides in not knowing when the fecking hell they're beaten. It's such a high compliment to make, and certainly not one I take pleasure in making of a Liverpool manager, that the never-say-die stuff we're seeing from Klopp's team week after week is so reminiscent of what we were doing under Fergie.

I always believe in you make your own luck. What Liverpool do under Klopp is when what we used to do when drawing or losing with 10 minutes to go. It was wave after wave of attack, pressure which cranks up by the minute.

Then come the 90th minute teams think they have won the game, players switch off and win the game.

It has nothing to do with luck, we could be lucky as well but 1-0 to Bournemouth we cant even attack.
I think so too. The luck they have in turning around matches where they haven't played so well comes from their attitude. Great players and the ruthlessness we showed in dispatching opponents under Fergie was brilliant, but what I've missed by far the most during the last six years is getting to the last 15 minutes of a tense game and expecting something to go for us. Liverpool fans have that feeling now, I hope they appreciate it and I sure as hell hope they're left missing it very soon.
 

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God Klopp really should have been the planned succesor of Fergie. He was my first choice anyway and he's showing why. For me he's definitely better than Guardiola atm, but of course Pep is greater in terms of how many trophies he's won.
 

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Ha so I wasn't waiting long after all :lol:. Accepted, of course.

I fully agree, and I think part of that is the longevity of success in English football Fergie will always have that no Joses, Klopps and Peps will match in the modern era. That means even record points totals, domestic trebles and any greater successes that may come in the near future (:nervous:) will never match what Fergie brought to the league over 26 years.

I think what you can say about Pep and Klopp, particularly the latter in my opinion, is that he has his team emulating the greatest aspect of Fergie's United sides in not knowing when the fecking hell they're beaten. It's such a high compliment to make, and certainly not one I take pleasure in making of a Liverpool manager, that the never-say-die stuff we're seeing from Klopp's team week after week is so reminiscent of what we were doing under Fergie.
Ferguson's ability to rebuild his teams is something that I don't think any other manager has really been able to do. It wasn't simply a case of him buying and selling players either. He literally redeveloped the way his teams attacked through formations and tactical set ups to handle the new challenge standing in front of him. Guardiola & Klopp are both at the peak of their cycles with City & Liverpool, but once those cycle's end that's it. They'll move on and someone else will start again. Neither of them will be able to do what Ferguson did time and time again, rebuilding his squad and adapting to whatever changes English football went through.

Klopp's a long term manager but he won't have the longevity of Ferguson, and neither will Guardiola.
 

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but what I've missed by far the most during the last six years is getting to the last 15 minutes of a tense game and expecting something to go for us
We can barely put one attack in 90 minutes let alone 15 at the end. It is so depressing because you expect it from a United side.

Ole keeps saying United need to attack it is DNA, but we have not once this season attacked with any momentum.
 

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Wait, Gerrard started at RB?
In the first team, yes - right midfield/right full back is where he got his debut/first few games/starts. Quite a fair bit of his first full season, the UEFA Cup/'treble' (in quotation marks for the benefit of United fans) winning year, he played from right back (with Babbel playing centre back when Gerrard played right back).

Also played there very occassionally after his move to midfield. It's a shame really, he had everything to be a top, top notch fullback.

One difference is that Gerrard got his break as a right back in the first team, but in the youth/reserve teams he was always playing in midfield I believe - whereas TAA has only occassionally played in midfield for youth/reserve teams and full back seems to be more his permanent role even in youth teams.
 

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And I'm telling you again: you are talking nonsense, because what you say contradicts common sense. Everybody related to football in some capacity knows that there are such things as running a team/player in the ground, experiencing fatigue, physical and/or mental, not being able to play with high intensity many games in a row. Even Klopp complained about the congested fixture list and Guardiola agreed with him recently, saying that it kills the players. There is also a reason why the PL has introduced a winter break. There is also a reason why both Fergie and Guardiola and most managers of top teams rotate players heavily. You need simple facts like that to reason and not fly in the face of common sense.
I will take it that you don't have any relevant experience then.

Yes there are things such as running a player in the ground, and managers do complain about fixtures. That is because of short term fatigue when the matches pile up though. What you were suggesting in your initial post you made comments regarding long term fatigue over two seasons though, which is a completely different animal. That is the opinion i take issue with. Carrying fatigue from one season to the next is not a reality when you have an off season period.
 

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One defeat in 50 league games. Champions of Europe, finalists the year before. Any day now, our luck will run out and we'll be exposed as the not-that-good team we've been all along.
 

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One defeat in 50 league games. Champions of Europe, finalists the year before. Any day now, our luck will run out and we'll be exposed as the not-that-good team we've been all along.
That's very impressive. But it will go down as a curious stat if you fail to win the title. The name of the game is to win most points, not to have the fewest number of defeats. The Invincibles would have finished 3rd last season with the points they won in 2003-04.
 

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That's very impressive. But it will go down as a curious stat if you fail to win the title. The name of the game is to win most points, not to have the fewest number of defeats. The Invincibles would have finished 3rd last season with the points they won in 2003-04.
Very true. If we fail to win the league, it will be nothing but a memory of a good team we once had..
 

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Very surprised Jürgen didn’t strengthen the squad from a position of strength. Never rest on your laurels. I guess Ox is like a new signing.
We haven’t got going yet this season yet we grind out wins. Beating City on Sunday would be a huge psychological boost if we could do it.
My one disappointment is I feel we have to blow the house down. I would like us to be able to cut teams open as well.
 

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One defeat in 50 league games. Champions of Europe, finalists the year before. Any day now, our luck will run out and we'll be exposed as the not-that-good team we've been all along.
Liverpool have been in more CL finals than they’ve lost PL games since the end of May 2018

That’s mad.
 

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Be interesting to see how this weekend plays out. Personally, I feel that City won't lose as I see them getting two goals. However, that is based on Ederson not being injured. If he is then I think Liverpool will win 3-2/4-2. If it ends in a draw however and Leicester and Chelsea win, that would leave City, Leicester and Chelsea on the same points and Liverpool still six clear. If that does happen does anyone think Leicester could pull off another 2016 or Chelsea could do a 96?
 

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Be interesting to see how this weekend plays out. Personally, I feel that City won't lose as I see them getting two goals. However, that is based on Ederson not being injured. If he is then I think Liverpool will win 3-2/4-2. If it ends in a draw however and Leicester and Chelsea win, that would leave City, Leicester and Chelsea on the same points and Liverpool still six clear. If that does happen does anyone think Leicester could pull off another 2016 or Chelsea could do a 96?
Nah not for me. They might've been able to if they were only up against one of us but not both imo.

The usual suspects were all fairly poor in 15/16 and Leicester won the league with a low 81 points. I think both City & Liverpool will hit at least 90 this season. Leicester won't hit those heights. Maybe low 80's.
 

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Nah not for me. They might've been able to if they were only up against one of us but not both imo.

The usual suspects were all fairly poor in 15/16 and Leicester won the league with a low 81 points. I think both City & Liverpool will hit at least 90 this season. Leicester won't hit those heights. Maybe low 80's.
Yeah, I agree with this. I was just wondering what other people thought as you know if you're boys draw and Leicester and Chelsea do win this weekend, the press will love to spin such a yarn.

That said, I think Leicester have a chance of more than 81 points, as I think this side is better than the one that won the league and they only really play once a week, which means that they can prepare much more than the other top teams.
 

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Yeah, I agree with this. I was just wondering what other people thought as you know if you're boys draw and Leicester and Chelsea do win this weekend, the press will love to spin such a yarn.

That said, I think Leicester have a chance of more than 81 points, as I think this side is better than the one that won the league and they only really play once a week, which means that they can prepare much more than the other top teams.
That will suit Rodgers down the ground, however the teams this year will be far too strong.
 

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Be interesting to see how this weekend plays out. Personally, I feel that City won't lose as I see them getting two goals. However, that is based on Ederson not being injured. If he is then I think Liverpool will win 3-2/4-2. If it ends in a draw however and Leicester and Chelsea win, that would leave City, Leicester and Chelsea on the same points and Liverpool still six clear. If that does happen does anyone think Leicester could pull off another 2016 or Chelsea could do a 96?
Ederson is injured.
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