London Bridge Incident | 29th November 2019

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OK then, tell us how the UK government could have orchestrated this, how the wheels were set in motion to ensure he did this two weeks before the election?
I don't want to get involved, just found it funny how the guy was just asking what people thought and highlighted it wasn't his own view, but still got jumped on.
 

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I don't want to get involved, just found it funny how the guy was just asking what people thought and highlighted it wasn't his own view, but still got jumped on.
I don’t know too many guys called Sara...
 

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I don't want to get involved, just found it funny how the guy was just asking what people thought and highlighted it wasn't his own view, but still got jumped on.
I think people get irritated by conspiracy theories because they’re not helpful and have a poisoning effect on political discourse. The idea that he was working for the UK govt just makes no sense though, which is why I was curious to hear the mechanisms that could have enacted it.
 

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I don't want to get involved, just found it funny how the guy was just asking what people thought and highlighted it wasn't his own view, but still got jumped on.
I didn't reply to that post, but it's probably the phrasing. I got the impression that the poster herself is partial to that theory.
 

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I think people get irritated by conspiracy theories because they’re not helpful and have a poisoning effect on political discourse. The idea that he was working for the UK govt just makes no sense though, which is why I was curious to hear the mechanisms that could have enacted it.
Yeah, I mean I don't think all conspiracy's should be thrown in the bin, because insane happenings have and will continue to happen throughout history. I think the moment when we stop asking questions, is also damaging. But as you say this one makes literally zero sense and it's indeed these types that give the ones that genuinely might have something to them, a bad name.
 
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Not exactly
I linked an old article before but in summary
He was give an indeterminate sentence (basically the home secretary would decide when he is ready to be released)
This was appealed and a judge overturned it giving the reason the parole board would be in a better position to judge
He then was apparently automatically put on a tag after a certain time and the parole board have tweeted they were not asked to review
So something seems to have failed somewhere but I think it will take an enquiry and some time to figure out what exactly

 

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Terrorism can be a weapon of the government if something is born as a result of it. What politicans were bringing this to the peoples attention? Because I would think just letting them go is about as dumb an idea as you can get. All these terrorists freed..to do what? Career politics should come to an end the moment they stop representing the people. So that's what I would want to see, because they're running nothing but their mouths. They don't represent the people of this country. Career politics allows bad people to do very bad things.
 

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What is even more frightening is in less than two weeks millions of UK citizens are happily going to vote for a Communist terrorist appeaser who is masquerading as head of the Labour party. I am amazed he hasn't yet condemned the police for shooting the poor thing, though sure if there wasn't an election he would have done so.

I really feel bad for the innocent people who were killed & their families, & hopefully there will be an enquiry of how terror suspects like this are released when clearly a danger to the public.
The absolute state of this. I felt like I was in the DM comment section. I’d report the post for stupidity if there was such a function but then you probably don’t know any better so meh.
 

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There's constant pressure to get prisoners released because it's very expensive to keep them locked up. Anyway, the UK's head of counter-terrorism just said this known terrorist was complying with his conditions of release, until yesterday, so that's alright then. Of course, it's unfathomable that a terrorist might suddenly revert to type despite being a good boy briefly while being watched after being allowed back on our streets. Nobody could have foresaw this event happening.
a piece of rope doesn’t cost much, it should be used immediately on scumbags like this, hell rope is even reusabls so no cost at all really but no, they’d rather just release known terrorists back into the general public.
 

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So we’ve got a convicted murderer of a disabled girl and a convicted terrorist fighting each other on London Bridge like some kind of Godzilla sketch. What a stupid country
It's quite a mad situation all in all, what with the Narwhal tusk as well. Something very British about it, in the weirdest way possible.
 

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Second ex-offender helped tackle London Bridge attacker
Marc Conway, who served time in jail, intervened with others including murderer James Ford
He was talking with prison education specialists when those at Fishmongers’ Hall began to flee as Usman Khan launched an attack in the Grade II-listed building on Friday.
Conway reportedly headed straight towards the attacker and joined others who grappled with the assailant. He was one of several ex-offenders who were attending a conference on rehabilitation organised by the University of Cambridge.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...c-conway-helped-tackle-london-bridge-attacker
 

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Just heard the full description of the actions of members of the public in bringing this guy down by his manager on the BBC morning show. Amazing acts of selfless bravery that certainly stopped the attacker going on a larger killing spree. Hope the Polish guy, Lucas, who got stabbed five or six times bringing him down, makes a full recovery.
 

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Do you guys reckon this is staged for political reasons? I am not saying I do or don’t believe it is, but this is the narrative that’s doing the rounds on twitter due to the whole convenience of everything e.g., right before an election, something similar happened before the last election, the perpetrator being let out of prison despite previous terrorism charges, etc.
I don't think it is, but I do think it says a lot about how little trust people have in politicians that this sort of thing is doing the rounds.

It's criminal that they let this guy go free. Unfortunately the justice system doesn't learn. Someone who sent fake anthrax to 16 MP's has just been sentenced to a measly 4 years.
 

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I don't think it is, but I do think it says a lot about how little trust people have in politicians that this sort of thing is doing the rounds.
I think it says more about the idiots that inhabit Twitter to be honest.
 

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Just heard the full description of the actions of members of the public in bringing this guy down by his manager on the BBC morning show. Amazing acts of selfless bravery that certainly stopped the attacker going on a larger killing spree. Hope the Polish guy, Lucas, who got stabbed five or six times bringing him down, makes a full recovery.
This one?


Incredible stuff.
 

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Can someone explain why was the attacker released?
The below is kind of incorrect.

Not exactly
I linked an old article before but in summary
He was give an indeterminate sentence (basically the home secretary would decide when he is ready to be released)
This was appealed and a judge overturned it giving the reason the parole board would be in a better position to judge
He then was apparently automatically put on a tag after a certain time and the parole board have tweeted they were not asked to review
So something seems to have failed somewhere but I think it will take an enquiry and some time to figure out what exactly
IPP sentences were removed as judges were using them when they didn't want to have to make a decision. I haven't read the article but presumably the appeal was successful on this basis.

In the UK when you are sentenced to a custodial sentence, you serve half of that time in prison and half of it in the community. In this instance, he was sentenced to 8 years, so he served half of his sentence in prison and was then released. Presumably one of his licence conditions is a curfew, hence the HDC (home detention curfew tag). He would not doubt also have been subject to other licence
 

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This one?


Incredible stuff.
Yeah, that’s the one.. Brave people out there!
It was refreshing hearing that then all about the girl who got murdered and the statements from the father of the bloke. Then I came crashing back to earth as it cut to politicians trying to wring every drop of mileage out of the situation.
 

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Was just reading an article about this terrorist guy and it appears there is a whole lot of info about him that was already available to the police. Not sure why this man wasn't in jail already to begin with. The article also makes it sounds as though all the terrorists he was meeting with are also still out there living free. Are they waiting for the crime to be committed for them to be arrested?
 

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Was just reading an article about this terrorist guy and it appears there is a whole lot of info about him that was already available to the police. Not sure why this man wasn't in jail already to begin with. The article also makes it sounds as though all the terrorists he was meeting with are also still out there living free. Are they waiting for the crime to be committed for them to be arrested?
Feels like after every terrorist attack you read that authorities were monitoring the perpetrator. I guess the answer to your question is that even people with questionable ideologies have their rights and you can't lock people up (indefinitely?) for who they meet or listen to.
I feel like to some degree this criticism is pretty hypocritical, when goverments try to establish programs for domestic (internet) surveillance people go batshit crazy or they like to get moral when they talk about how the US treat (suspected) islamist terrorist, but when someone uses these freedoms they fight for against them it's "how could they let this happen??".
 

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It's not that.

It's the fact that so much has happened since, it doesn't feel a year ago
Yeah it feels way longer ago, but I actually remember the day when I think about it- It was my last check up at the clinic and I was checking on a friend who worked nearby at the time and ended up strapped in the office for hours.
feck, feels 2-3 years ago though.