Lorenzo Pellegrini

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  1. Aug 27, 2019

    Fosu-Mens Full Member

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    Did not suit the clubs or OGS profile i guess. Or they did not bother scouting players outside a certain area.
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    Inter Yer Nan Full Member

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    I'm thinking the latter is more likely. Worth a punt at the price and worse case scenario shift him for a probable profit if he doesn't perform.
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    Fosu-Mens Full Member

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    And why could we not do buy him this summer? Why we started this season with the options in midfield is simply tragic. A blind goat could see that the midfield would be the biggest issue this season and would be the difference between top 4 or not.
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    Infra-red Full Member

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    It's distinctly possible that the people who run the club have absolutely no idea what they are doing. The last six years is rather compelling evidence for this.
  5. Aug 28, 2019

    giorno Full Member

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    Yes. Didn't want to leave and signed a new contract IIRC
  6. Aug 28, 2019

    BenitoSTARR Full Member

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    The more I see of him the more I like. He seems a very competent midfielder in most areas.

    I’m not sure though that he would fit into our current set up with Pogba.
  7. Sep 16, 2019 at 17:43

    andersj Nick Powell Expert

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    Got three assists as a #10 in a 4231 yesterday. The assist for Kluiverts goal was a brillint through ball.
  8. Sep 18, 2019 at 04:18

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    Another player who'd walk into our starting XI by virtue of being tough and technically solid. Shame we didn't get him this past summer, a 4-3-3 with him and Pogba ahead of McTominay might look genuinely competent, if a bit boring.
  9. Sep 18, 2019 at 12:06

    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    He'd either play 10 or where Pogba playsplays now with Pogba at 10. Plugging our midfield hole instantly
  10. Sep 18, 2019 at 12:08

    Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber Thus says Kemo

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    Well we always assume a blind goat is worse off than a stupid human....and United's transfer strategy us beholden to a stupid human...so....
  11. Sep 18, 2019 at 12:13

    amolbhatia50k Sneaky bum time

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    If he's that good, it appears we would need to wake the feck up. Its all well and good picking British players, but we need to be able to identify suitable players from abroad as well.
  12. Sep 18, 2019 at 12:15

    Jacob Full Member

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    Forget about him. Will never be attainable and won't come here. Few Italians do.
  13. Sep 18, 2019 at 12:15

    Madzik_92 New Member

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    Well we are now British FC so i think we'll sign overpriced Rice/Longstaff.
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    Rozay Master of Hindsight

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    Can’t lie, I’m definitely concerned that we’ll miss out on continental talent due to this apparent blind spot we have under the current regime. I mean, I’m sure they would sign Messi, less sure they would do a clever deal for a Barella or Sensi however.
  15. Sep 18, 2019 at 14:50

    Devil81 Full Member

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    And the issue with that is?

    We've been overpaying for shite imports for the last six years. We can see Rice & Longstaff are good you quality talents who will care about playing for a club of our size.
  16. Sep 18, 2019 at 17:48

    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    Overspending on players is never good irrespective whether they are foreign or not. Also most players care about doing their job. Professionalism is not something that is exclusive only to British talent. Actually if British talent were as committed as many in here portray them to be then maybe, just maybe, they would have won more WCs then they actually did.

    Back to the subject, Pellegrini comes across as a player whose happy to stay were he is. Roma is a beautiful city to live in and Roma fans can be quite affectionate towards players who are loyal to their cause. They are nowhere as nasty as their Laziali cousins are. If Lorenzo moves then I can see him joining Juventus rather then a foreign club. There again, I might be wrong on this
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  17. Sep 18, 2019 at 22:24

    Carlsen19 Full Member

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    Longstaff is absolutely shite and Declan Rice is also nowhere near good enough to get us challenging again.
  18. Sep 19, 2019 at 18:01

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    There's a ton of midfielders around Europe who would have been happy to come here and start for us in a 5 with James, Pogba and Mctominay, insane we couldn't find one who's useful box to box and one to create from the right.
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    antohan gets aroused by tagline boobs

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    Ermmmm... commitment in international football should never be lacking, so it goes down to talent.

    Think the argument there was commitment in the sense they would play their entire career for us and not be constantly fawning for some other continental team.

    There's truth and value in that, it's worth paying extra for it, but it should NOT mean we constantly compromise quality.
  20. Sep 19, 2019 at 19:38

    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    I think that we need to be realistic here. The UK isn't exactly a gold mine of great football talent when compared to countries like Brazil, Italy, Germany and most recently France & Spain. To make matters worse the way money is distributed in the EPL means that the average club is often rich enough to refuse selling to the top clubs which also means that their player's value is often to the roof. Now I do share your idea of spending a bit extra for players who might stick with us longer then the average Spanish and French. The question is how much? Especially considering that from what we learnt in the past 2 summer transfer market is that we're certainly can't rely on an endless well.

    Also there's absolutely no way to know if a player would be loyal to his club or not. For example Mcmanaman was a Liverpool lad, a product of Liverpool FC. That didn't stop him from showing the Scousers the middle finger and join Real on a free. DDG on the other hand had Real Madrid written all over him from day 1. Yet, he's still with us. Not to forget that its easy for a player to be loyal when the only alternative for him would be Everton, Sunderland and co. I dare to say that out of the class of 92, the only players who truly stuck with us despite having the opportunity to move to a bigger/similar team were Scholes and Giggs. The rest didn't really had better options elsewhere (apart Becks who moved out)

    Honestly I would never say no to a Cristiano Ronaldo ie a huge talent who dragged us to a third CL win and 2 CL finals and then left for a record fee. That's worth more then a 100 P Nevs, OSheas, Jones and Lingards.
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  21. Sep 19, 2019 at 21:09

    antohan gets aroused by tagline boobs

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    I agree there's more quality out there. "Other things equal" local is better puts a big stress/question mark on other things equal.

    Not sure CR "dragged us", it was a phenomenal side with a pretty strong domestic core. Of course we don't want to pass on a CR, but no need to rubbish the contribution of the likes of Rio, Rooney, Carrick, Giggs, Fletcher, or even Hargreaves himself. Brown was outstanding in 08 as well.
  22. Sep 19, 2019 at 21:57

    Rozay Master of Hindsight

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    Whereas every other top side have bought countless quality imports in that same period.
  23. Sep 20, 2019 at 13:34

    devilish Juventus fan who used to support United

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    It wasn't meant as a sign of disrespect towards Rio, Rooney, Scholes and co. However, Ronaldo is a force of nature. He's like the football equivalent of cocaine. He puts you on high when he's with you, the team becomes dependent to his brilliance and once he leaves the withdrawal effects are simply devastating. We were never the same team without him. Same thing happened with Real. Meanwhile Juventus who had always had an ethos built around team building had suddenly become Ronaldo's dependent.
  24. Sep 20, 2019 at 13:55

    lysglimt Full Member

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    It strikes me as a bit strange that every time we are not signing this and that player we have no clue what we are doing - but when no other club signs that player, no one says anything.

    There are 2 plausible explanations
    1) A player simply isn't good enough - or at least not good enough for the value the club is willing to sell him for
    2) He doesn't want to leave.

    If we had the chance to sign .. say Fernandes and didn't - and 3 other clubs immediately jumped in and one of them signed him. Yes then I would be concerned. But the reality is - no one signed Fernandes. And since I haven't seen him that often, it makes me wonder - do the scouts see something I don't ? Why didn't anyone sign Fernandes ?

    With Pellegrini - has there been any indication that he wants to leave Roma ? I haven't heard any clubs seriously linked to him.
  25. Sep 20, 2019 at 13:56

    lysglimt Full Member

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    We signed quite a few quality imports - we just didn't know what to do with them.

    Depay, Mkhitaryan, Pogba
  26. Sep 20, 2019 at 14:14

    bond19821982 Full Member

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    Exactly. Going british is all fine but dont tell me there are no midfielders available to take us forward.
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    Wrong, only the awe-inspiring Sean Longstaff can improve on our midfield. I hope Newcastle grant us this mighty player next season, we will instantly have one the best midfields Europe has ever seen. Anyone else would just flop like Matic and Fred.
  28. Sep 20, 2019 at 16:07

    Bestietom Full Member

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    I wouldn't pay 10 million for Longstaff let alone 50million. Most of Newcastle fans will tell you same, except for those who would like to get 50million for him. Garner will be much better option.