Lucien Agoume








After doing a bit of research and watching some compilations, I agree with these takes.

He's an interesting profile for us, if he can transfer his current game to the PL but the last paragraph is what I had noticed too. In transition and when the opposition is breaking at his defence, he doesn't seem that clocked on to sprint to get onside or track players. Very big potential red flag there especially if he will be in the deepest parts of midfield just ahead of the defence.

When he's facing the ball or near the vicinity of it, he has some really good qualities with his size (length and height), positioning, ability on and off the ball.

If he can develop more than yes it's a worthy gamble for the price but at his current level, it's one step forward (i.e in profile and potential upgrade as a squad option over Ugarte) but half a step back (not a certified first-name-on-the-sheet midfielder with some glaring flaws). The issue is what Amorim wants from his midfielders/team. In a two that has to be very good on the ball, press resistant with box-to-box athleticism, a lot of players are going to look bad with their weaknesses. Agoume and most of our other midfielders could work well in a disciplined two tasked with breaking up play, progressing the ball and covering tactical positions without being asked to join in too many gung-ho high presses.

If the first-name-on-the-sheets prospects are out the equation for this transfer window then he could be a good addition with upside, if Amorim can improve parts of his game. Just not sure if that's what we need at this very moment.
 
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criticalanalysis said:







After doing a bit of research and watching some compilations, I agree with these takes. The video is quite well done too.

He's an interesting profile for us, if he can transfer his current game to the PL but the last paragraph is what I had noticed too. In transition and when the opposition is breaking at his defence, he doesn't seem that clocked on to sprint to get onside or track players. Very big potential red flag there especially if he will be in the deepest parts of midfield just ahead of the defence.

When he's facing the ball or near the vicinity of it, he has some really good qualities with his size (length and height), positioning, ability on and off the ball.

If he can develop more than yes it's a worthy gamble for the price but at his current level, it's one step forward (i.e in profile and potential upgrade as a squad option over Ugarte) but half a step back (not a certified first-name-on-the-sheet midfielder with some glaring flaws). The issue is what Amorim wants from his midfielders/team. In a two that has to be very good on the ball, press resistant with box-to-box athleticism, a lot of players are going to look bad with their weaknesses. Agoume and most of our other midfielders could work well in a disciplined two tasked with breaking up play, progressing the ball and covering tactical positions around but not asked to join in too many gung-ho high presses.

If the first-name-on-the-sheets prospects are out the equation for this transfer window then he could be a good addition with upside, if Amorim can improve parts of his game.
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Well considering the first names on the sheets seem to be Baleba, Hjulmand or Wharton I would say it's probably a good idea to look at alternatives like him
 
Trust the new Ineos team. They seem to know what they are doing. They are no Murtough and ETH.

When we signed Dorgu many eyebrows were raised. Heaven, Chido and Leon seems to be good young signings too.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
Trust the new Ineos team. They seem to know what they are doing. They are no Murtough and ETH.

When we signed Dorgu many eyebrows were raised. Heaven, Chido and Leon seems to be good young signings too.
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Do you think they will go for him?
 
V.O. said:
Anka is basically a caftard with a Wyscout login. Wouldn't put much stock in his player evaluation.
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Ouch! You realise your manager also uses wyscout and makes decisions based on it.
 
Yakuza_devils said:
He may not be our Plan A or even Plan B. Given the price, he is someone I see the team will sign as "emergency" signing rather than having no one.
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However this player fits with what Ratfcliffe mentioned of getting someone who is not developed fully yet but can become a star if his development trajectory is good
 
Martial'sEmergingSmile said:
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Peak sprint velocity 99th percentile - reflects the peak speed of a player and his ability to reach it multiple times
OTIP = Opposition Team In Possession
Baleba for comparison:
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To show how slow 29.4kmph is, in my area there's this kid (10 y.o I reckon) who loves cycling. His dad told me his idle speed was about 30kmph so it's definitely on the slower side of things.

Won't be long until posters start yelling: "Ahgoudnessme, he's done it again the slow bastard!"
 
reelworld said:
However this player fits with what Ratfcliffe mentioned of getting someone who is not developed fully yet but can become a star if his development trajectory is good
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Is he, I mean Baleba's two years younger and his biggest question marks are related to the things he does so well leaving him exhausted pre-90 mins, as I understood from @UTAretro , and then unknowables, and the prohibitive price and plausible cutthroat competition for his signature in the future.
 
criticalanalysis said:







After doing a bit of research and watching some compilations, I agree with these takes.

He's an interesting profile for us, if he can transfer his current game to the PL but the last paragraph is what I had noticed too. In transition and when the opposition is breaking at his defence, he doesn't seem that clocked on to sprint to get onside or track players. Very big potential red flag there especially if he will be in the deepest parts of midfield just ahead of the defence.

When he's facing the ball or near the vicinity of it, he has some really good qualities with his size (length and height), positioning, ability on and off the ball.

If he can develop more than yes it's a worthy gamble for the price but at his current level, it's one step forward (i.e in profile and potential upgrade as a squad option over Ugarte) but half a step back (not a certified first-name-on-the-sheet midfielder with some glaring flaws). The issue is what Amorim wants from his midfielders/team. In a two that has to be very good on the ball, press resistant with box-to-box athleticism, a lot of players are going to look bad with their weaknesses. Agoume and most of our other midfielders could work well in a disciplined two tasked with breaking up play, progressing the ball and covering tactical positions without being asked to join in too many gung-ho high presses.

If the first-name-on-the-sheets prospects are out the equation for this transfer window then he could be a good addition with upside, if Amorim can improve parts of his game. Just not sure if that's what we need at this very moment.
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Good post. I have thought about what this kind of signing means in the longer term, and so long as it doesn't disrupt or prevent us moving on elite midfield targets and eventually usurps the-then outgoing Ugarte, I am a little less concerned.

His footage is hard to gauge much from; the one thing I pray (if we're actually going to move for him) is that he isn't below the bar and has more utility than at least Ugarte in this squad. I don't associate cheap with clever, shrewd bargain much with us anymore, so a cheap price brings concern in its own right.

It would just be great to have a serviceable midfielder who has function for more than rotation option when Casemiro is dead on his feet, but more than anything, please don't be yet another dud we have to try and offload to no avail in a season or two.
 
I'm not sure this lad would have the success he's had in Spain if he came to the Prem. He's not overly mobile and seems to get a lot of time on the ball to make his passes. Athletically, Camara and Bouaddi seem like a better fit. Both are quicker, more press resistant and have decent passing range.
 
SuperiorXI said:
It's fair to say running is not in his game based on known data. Not everyone needs to be blistering fast though.
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No one is saying a midfielder has to be a speed machine to play in the Premier League but the player can't be slow.
The Premier league is the most physically demanding league in the world and if players are not up to it they are quickly found out.
 
Watched a few videos so am now fully qualified as an Agoume expert. What immediately jumped out was not his lack of pace but his clumsy ponderous technique. Not in the same universe as Baleba. I'd be worried he's just squad filler rather than first team material.
 
Bondi77 said:
No point buying him if he is slow.
Would be a waste of money!
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Personally, I am really not in favour of panic spending just to fill a gap.
I've really not been impressed with this guy, and I'm not sure he really offers much more than Ugarte from the "highlights" that I have seen.
 
When we signed Dorgu many critised him and questioned the decision by the football people. He turned out alright.

We don't have to sign superstar for every player. We need to mix it up with some players with potential.

We don't have unlimited funds like the oil club.
 
I think we are giving Ugarte one last season and will ship him out next year. We will also lose Casemiro next year, therefore we can go big on a CM next summer. I would be happy enough with a decent midfielder like Agoume who can improve us and who can be a squad player for us for the foreseeable.
 
Yeah gonna join the underwhelmed masses on this, so quite honestly no idea where to turn for midfielder
 
Freak said:
His style of play, from the YouTube videos, seem quite reminiscent to Tchouameni at Madrid. Not sure if that’s good or bad.
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I got that feel from the video’s too. Very similar in style and build too.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah gonna join the underwhelmed masses on this, so quite honestly no idea where to turn for midfielder
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Wait a year, if our squad can't hack it one game a week then they don't belong at the club.

They should all be well rested after a week without long travel.

All of them should run themselves into the ground on match day
 
Actually now that I think about it, his style is pretty Carrick like as well (in terms of sitting deep and spraying the balls wide, not being a crazy runner covering every blade but more of an elegant type of defensive midfielder who relies on anticipation and cutting passing lanes)
 
TheNewEra said:
Wait a year, if our squad can't hack it one game a week then they don't belong at the club.

They should all be well rested after a week without long travel.

All of them should run themselves into the ground on match day
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Can we afford to wait a year though is the question
 
Freak said:
His style of play, from the YouTube videos, seem quite reminiscent to Tchouameni at Madrid. Not sure if that’s good or bad.
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Yep, that's a fair comparison. From the admittedly little I have seen and from his stats profile, Agoume is primarily a defensive player - someone who will screen the back four (or indeed five), win all the duels and generally shut the opposition out. He's physically very strong and a great tackler (in fact, statistically one of the best tacklers in all of Europe). His passing is more accomplished than Baleba's, but the latter is obviously much more dynamic and suited to a box-to-box ball winning role, with Agoume more of a traditional #6.

He won't cost much in terms of fee or wages and he's going to be a better option alongside Bruno/Mainoo this season than Casemiro (who has obviously declined pretty steeply physically) or Ugarte (who struggles to hold onto the ball under even minimal pressure), but he doesn't have the elite potential of Rice, Caicedo, Camavinga or indeed Baleba. It would be a stopgap signing, if it happens, and we'd be getting a solid defensive player, but not a lot else.
 
He doesn’t look convincing from those highlight clips . How is he rated in Spain ?
 
is it me or is it bc he's tall but he looks like a long strider when he runs while he can cover ground he just doesn't look to be "fast"
 
So fecking funny how every player is good until we get linked with them and then they’re shite and another Ugarte/Hojlund/whatever.

I’m sure if we get linked with Camara people will watch a few videos and start complaining as well.

Put me in the camp of being fine with a punt on Agoume. Looks an intelligent player with decent technique who can shield the backline and progress the ball. We need more smart, technically sound players. Grades out very well statistically as well. Might not be a speed demon but his legs aren’t gone unlike Casemiro who has to dive into tackles 10 times a game.
 
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