Have to wonder how his career would have turned out had Xavi, Iniesta and Pique not gone to bat for him when Messi wanted to sack him
Luis Enrique | PSG Manager
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In the latest edition of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) chats to author, Dan Williamson, about his new book 'If I Hadnt Seen Such Riches' which chronicles our 1990/91 European Cup Winners Cup victory, which is a trip down memory lane for those old enough to remember it and a vital history lesson for those who don't.
2x Treble - Barca and PSG. Both played amazing football and destroyed everybody in CL.
Is he a better manager than Mou?
Is he a better manager than Mou?
I don't know if he is a better manager but I like the fact that Barcelona and PSG cores are opposed in age and I assume that he used different skillsets, with Barcelona his job was likely more about managing established stars while with PSG it is largely a case of nurturing young players. Also he looks happy when Mourinho was already tired by the end of his Madrid tenure. I wonder if he is going to age like Ancelotti more than the likes of Klopp, Mourinho or Pep.
He's ripped for 55 I'll give him that.
I think Klopp is a bit overrated. I d put Enrique alongside Mourinho - just a level below the 3 goats of the 21 st century Guardiola Ferguson and Ancelotti. They are the 3 managers that can remain relevant for 20 years +. Klopp never built any “invincible team” that sweeps everyone aside. Any of the 5 that I ranked above him did. Ancelotti to a lesser extent, but he also won the La Liga + CL double twice, which Klopp never did.
Klopp won the EPL after 31 matches, the fastest of all EPL titles. If that's not sweeping everyone away, I don't know what is.
For me, Klopp and Guardiola are the best coaches I've seen. SAF belongs into a different category since he's a manager and not a coach. His greatness had much to do with squad building in contrast to Pep and Klopp. Ancelotti is difficult to judge. His influence on the teams he coached is definitely less visible than Pep and Klopp. There were times when you could have replaced the players on the pitch with unrecognizable silhouettes and you'd still could have told immediately that this is a Pep or Klopp team, that's how advanced they were of anyone else. Can't think of any other manager you can say this of in the modern era.
Klopp belongs no where near the discussion for best coach/managers ever. He spent almost 10 years at Liverpool, spent around 1 billion pounds and only managed to win 1 (Covid) league title and 1 Champions League.
I didn't say he is the best ever, I said he is top 2 in the modern era. Trophies are a insufficient way to measure this since Klopp didn't make his career choices with the objective of maximizing his title return. And he would have won many more league titles if nog for the #1 coach in my list.
Regarding the covid title, as far as I remember Liverpool was already practically uncatchable when the lockdowns started?
Should be next in our radar for a potential manager
He would have won more if he managed a team like PSG City or Bayern. It’s not as simple as so and so wins more so they’re better.
Mourinho easily trumps Klopp. Treble with Inter, and CL with Porto is better than anything Klopp has accomplished.
Luis Enrique is moving up the table of modern greats. This certainly puts him in the top 10. Two absolutely dominant sides that play great football. Much better to watch than any Guardiola team, for example.
Luis Enrique is moving up the table of modern greats. This certainly puts him in the top 10. Two absolutely dominant sides that play great football. Much better to watch than any Guardiola team, for example.
If this includes Jose, I see no argument for Klopp over Mourinho.
Even though he's 55 he really doesn't feel like he's been managing for long. I'd really be open to someone like him here post-Amorim. I think he'll stay in PSG for at least another 2 years, after that I can see him trying to replicate his success in the PL. I think he's one of those managers that will want to prove himself.
I rate klopp highly but I don't think this is the certainty people make it out to be.
He's amazing as the underdog, but right when he was poised to take Dortmund to serial winners, they crumbled and flirted with relegation for half the season before he left.
After he put up some amazing challenges to city and overthrew them to get Liverpool their title, they folded, finished 17 points off the top of the table and below a PE teacher, a full 30 points worse than the season before. Then raised their level again when they were back to underdogs.
There is nothing to suggest he can deliver when not the under dog, which is a skill in itself and why managerial replacements don't always work out for the best teams.
I mean you can say the same thing about Bielsa. Sorry but I dont any argument for Klopp against Ancelotti Mourinho. Klopp won very little to be compared to Ancelotti Mourinho Pep or Ferguson.
If you talk about underdog team overperforming then Mourinho’s Porto >>>> everything Klopp did. Also your ex manager Alonso team much more impressive than Klopp Dortmund. If somehow Klopp retires tomorrow he has won a total of 3 league titles. People criticize Ancelotti for winning so few league titles but he did it 6 times - how does Klopp fare up against Ancelotti? So even for Ancelotti’s biggest weakness he is still better than Klopp’s?
Also please tell me another team that uses Klopp’s system. Dont use generic words like gegenpress. Please go into detail. And if you can, please tell me how that is more advanced than the Christmas tree formation that Ancelotti created or that defensive Inter team Mourinho created.
It's the other way round for me. Mourinho is miles behind Klopp, IMO.
I didn't even knew that Ancelotti only won 6 league titles but that showcases perfectly what I mean. He has mainly been coaching top teams since 99 and only won 6 league titles. Klopp took over a Dortmund side that fought relegation and turned them into a team that won back to back Bundesliga titles against a Bayern side that reached the UCL final three times in four years back then. Not only did he set a point record while achieving that, he accompmished all that with positive net spents and still is the only coach in the last 29 years to win back to back titles with a club that is not Bayern. He even lead Dortmund into a UCL final. After that final, he spent his remaining three seasons at Dortmund competing with a Guardiola coached Bayern team that bought his two best players. After a break, he then took over Liverpool and spent the rest of his career so far competing against Guardiola again.
At no point in his career was Klopp at a club that was favorite to win anything. He was the vast underdog throughout his whole coaching career in Germany and turned Liverpool into a real competitor for a Guardiola coached City team. There is no way that Ancelotti would have won any league title in the EPL while Guardiola was City coach.
By the way, Klopp has never been sacked during his career.
Ancelotti won a league title over Ferguson. Are you insinuating, on a Man United forum, that winning over Ferguson is easier than winning over Guardiola?
Uhm, I guess. Guardiola has won 80% of the league seasons he's competed in and has a 2.35 average in the EPL. SAF is at around one third over his whole career and a very impressive 50% in England, maintaining an average of 2.16. So yeah, I think it is more difficult to win league titles against Guardiola although SAF's longevity is unmatched.
I think so. Although I rate managers that are able to succeed with proactive football that's attractive moreso than defensive managers. Enrique has produced two of the best footballing sides to watch this century.
I was member here years ago before closing down on my socials when I went to work in Hong Kong and surrounding area... I suggested this guy for United and got yell at by the Caf! Thought then, as I do know, he would be great at United
What is the modern era? 21st century? Last 30 years?
So apparently, Luis Enrique decided to turn this World cup into a summer camp 
where players brought their family, eat together, train a bit before doing whatever they want in Los Angeles. He did so to avoid an overload after a really long season. Might be a good move, PSG doesn't really need to train anyway, we don't have any new player.
where players brought their family, eat together, train a bit before doing whatever they want in Los Angeles. He did so to avoid an overload after a really long season. Might be a good move, PSG doesn't really need to train anyway, we don't have any new player.He's a cool cat. Would have enjoyed him as our manager a lot.
So apparently, Luis Enrique decided to turn this World cup into a summer camp
Very smart move. I stated the need for these players to avoid burnout in all its forms (mental, physical, emotional etc.) and he’s doing what he can to have them reset despite being in the throes of a very important competition.
He’s a guy who is looking more impressive as a manager in his own right with this stint at PSG. He’ll be hugely sought after if he moves on from there any time in the next couple of seasons.
So apparently, Luis Enrique decided to turn this World cup into a summer camp
All well and good, but the best rest and relaxation of all is to not be in this mess at all. I look forward to seeing PSG get humbled next year. You guys have become insufferable
Yeah, but you're failing to factor in one important thing...
Guardiola is overseeing one of the potentially biggest cases of cheating to obtain two full teams of top class players in one squad.
So apparently, Luis Enrique decided to turn this World cup into a summer camp
It also helps that PSG doesn’t need the price money from the CWC.
Yeah it really wans an unnecessary competition. I don't expect much from the team next season, too many of our key players played far too many minutes, i don't think they'll be able to sustain that level 2 seasons in a row.All well and good, but the best rest and relaxation of all is to not be in this mess at all. I look forward to seeing PSG get humbled next year. You guys have become insufferable
I don't think it would have made any difference to be honest. They did it this way because it would have been counter productive to keep the players under pressure after such a long season.
Is he the polar opposite of Guardiola? I wonder what it was like when they played togetherSo apparently, Luis Enrique decided to turn this World cup into a summer camp
I don't think he is. Is style is different but when you look at the video I posted (I think it was in this thread) when he says "next year i will control them all, all of them" speaking about the players after Mbappé leaves, he definitely share similar traits.
I guess we could say he's strict in his flexibility
My personal view is that he now belongs to the small circle of influential contemporary coaches who set new standards and trends, joining the likes of Sacchi, Ferguson, Guardiola.
I think his impact is more in terms of management than tactics in itself. He is encouraging coaches to be less tactically rigid and aware a player can reinvent himself (Dembele as a false 9).
Many players have been tested as a #9/false 9: Ramos, Lee, Asensio, Doue, Barcola, Mayulu etc.
I think his impact is more in terms of management than tactics in itself. He is encouraging coaches to be less tactically rigid and aware a player can reinvent himself (Dembele as a false 9).
Many players have been tested as a #9/false 9: Ramos, Lee, Asensio, Doue, Barcola, Mayulu etc.
The only new thing that PSG does that we haven't seen from other coaches in recent years is giving fullbacks complete and utter freedom. No one knows where Hakimi and Mendes are going to be and why they are going to be there so defending them is a nightmare. All that false 9 stuff has been going on a lot especially this past decade. The rest of what he does is just Pep stuff.
Pretty cool what he said recently. He basically mentioned these days the less he controls the better, as it makes his team unpredictable
He's basically found the perfect blend between Guardiola's rigidity of structure and pressing and Ancelotti's off the cuff individualism
He's basically found the perfect blend between Guardiola's rigidity of structure and pressing and Ancelotti's off the cuff individualism
That's what Pique said about him when someone asked him to compare Pep to Enrique at Barca, he said Enrique made them feel they were more complete (or words to that effect) as he had way less rules for possession building if there were chances to counter. It sounds very much like he was more interested in teaching them overarching ideas but trusting them vs telling them what they must do.
It helps when the players are so interchangeable, three midfielders who can play anywhere in midfield, three forwards that can rotate across the front line, and two world class fullbacks with the quality to drift inside and rotate with others as well.
PSG feel to me a little bit like Sampaoli's Chile, just with a lot more talent. Super energetic, structured yet also very fluid.
Luis Enrique is a genius. His vision of football is simply superior, technically and morally.
Can you imagine playing for this guy? The passion he shows after going through a life event that could have wrecked him, but instead he chose to try and make his daughter proud by being the best he can be. Every one of those PSG players looks prepared to do whatever it takes to win. If they can maintain their 2025 form for a few more years, they’ll go down in history as one of the greats, and from what I can see they really only have to think about replacing Marquinhos, and even that’s a stretch because he’s only 31.
I have a hard time believing 2025 will be a good year for PSG, players will barely have any rest before starting again, I don't think it's sustainable over 2 years unless there's 4 or 5 back ups recruted this summer.
Bit rich coming from a Barcelona fan.All well and good, but the best rest and relaxation of all is to not be in this mess at all. I look forward to seeing PSG get humbled next year. You guys have become insufferable