He is getting couple of chances a game with José's set up . I dont disagree with him not being on the top of his game but we aren't getting him enough chances . It's diabolical to see us providing our main strikers with couple of chances and scraps almost every single game we play . We played Derby last night and how many chances did you count ?
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We do have those exact players. But those players will never flourish under a Mourinho system.If we had the Lukaku that played for Belgium and the Pogba who played for France we'd be a dangerous team
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He is, one of the more underrated strikers. Phenomenal positioning, movement and work-rate. But not a huge goalscorer so need a supporting winger or other striker.It's Chelsea's biggest flaw. The system may make up for it, but we'll see. Firmino I'd say is a top class striker, no question.
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He's overrated precisely because of this. Brings other forwards into the game, but what happens when Salah and Mane are off? Can he be the difference maker consistently?He is, one of the more underrated strikers. Phenomenal positioning, movement and work-rate. But not a huge goalscorer so need a supporting winger or other striker.
Don't think he's significantly better than Lukaku, overall.
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I mean whats your criteria here? If you're only counting sitters then yeah he gets a couple a game but no striker gets many more than that really. His positioning and movement have been unusually poor for him, even Martial showed better movement than him yesterday and thats one of his biggest weaknesses.He is getting couple of chances a game with José's set up . I dont disagree with him not being on the top of his game but we aren't getting him enough chances . It's diabolical to see us providing our main strikers with couple of chances and scraps almost every single game we play . We played Derby last night and how many chances did you count ?
I do actually think Lukaku would benefit from a proper number 10 but i still think his recent form is far more on him than his team mates.
Pogue Mahone
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He's been converting 25% of his chances so far this season. As good as any other PL striker. Last night he converted 0 from 4. So yesterday was a particularly bad performance.I mean whats your criteria here? If you're only counting sitters then yeah he gets a couple a game but no striker gets many more than that really. His positioning and movement have been unusually poor for him, even Martial showed better movement than him yesterday and thats one of his biggest weaknesses.
I do actually think Lukaku would benefit from a proper number 10 but i still think his recent form is far more on him than his team mates.
His confidence looks completely shot at this stage. All the more disappointing because he did look to be developing his game at times last season and he had a good World Cup. Now it looks like we're back to square one. A shadow of the player we saw at Everton. Yet another player who seems to stagnating/regressing under Mourinho.
Pogue Mahone
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Striker in not taking every chance shocker.All these misses were masked because he was also scoring.
Were these misses "masked because he was also scoring" too?
RVP had flair, was good at set pieces, could decide the game on his own, could score out of the box, could dribble.Striker in not taking every chance shocker.
Were these misses "masked because he was also scoring" too?
Lukaku has none of that.
I remember when people were praising lukaku över Ibrahimovic....
Bang on 26 goals in the league and win us the league and he can miss as much as he wants.Striker in not taking every chance shocker.
Were these misses "masked because he was also scoring" too?
RVP won us several games on his own. Our last league title was all him and Fergie.
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Please do not compare Lukaku to RvP.
One carried us to a league.
The other being here, long term, diminishes our chances of winning the league.
One carried us to a league.
The other being here, long term, diminishes our chances of winning the league.
Todd
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While I agree, it's not fair to lay all of the blame at Jose's feet. Pogba and Rom are surrounded by world class players when playing for France and Belgium, they are not at United.We do have those exact players. But those players will never flourish under a Mourinho system.
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Striker in not taking every chance shocker.
Were these misses "masked because he was also scoring" too?[/QUOTE]
I think the difference is one has never cost us a game. also one of them can pretty much do other things besides waiting for the ball to be put on the platter for them.
Were these misses "masked because he was also scoring" too?[/QUOTE]
I think the difference is one has never cost us a game. also one of them can pretty much do other things besides waiting for the ball to be put on the platter for them.
Pogue Mahone
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None of that has anything to do with the point you made (and I responded to)RVP had flair, was good at set pieces, could decide the game on his own, could score out of the box, could dribble.
Lukaku has none of that.
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Care to explain how this guy who does nothing but wait for the ball “to be put on a platter” ended up with the most PL assists in our squad last season? (two assists more than Eden Hazard) A figure that would have been higher if other United players weren’t also guilty of, shock horror, missing chances (Jesse the usual culprit)I think the difference is one has never cost us a game. also one of them can pretty much do other things besides waiting for the ball to be put on the platter for them.
All Strikers miss sitters even Kane and Aguero. Just people like to blame Lukaku right now because we're creating sweet feck all.
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RVP missed lot of chances but he covered them with winning goals. Lukaku missed lot of chances but he couldn't cover them with winning goals. That's the difference between world class and non world class striker. A world class striker who has bad game can still come out with a match winner, Lukaku can't.Striker in not taking every chance shocker.
Were these misses "masked because he was also scoring" too?
Not only that, a lot of our past strikers can score top class goals. Lukaku can't because he has no technique, he relies too much on his power & pace.
RVP can score goals with poor services, Kane could become top scorer in a word cup with worse quality player around him. Lukaku only scored goals against Panama & Tunisia in a world cup but fail to step up when his team need him, even with world classs players like KDB & Hazard were behind him providing the services.
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That last paragraph is nonsense. Kane became top scorer because he took penalties and fluked one in off his heel. Lukaku’s WC goals were of much higher quality/difficult to score than Kane’s.RVP missed lot of chances but he covered them with winning goals. Lukaku missed lot of chances but he couldn't cover them with winning goals. That's the difference between world class and non world class striker. A world class striker who has bad game can still come out with a match winner, Lukaku can't.
Not only that, a lot of our past strikers can score top class goals. Lukaku can't because he has no technique, he relies too much on his power & pace.
RVP can score goals with poor services, Kane could become top scorer in a word cup with worse quality player around him. Lukaku only scored goals against Panama & Tunisia in a world cup but fail to step up when his team need him, even with world classs players like KDB & Hazard were behind him providing the services.
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"Higher/difficult". In your point of view nothing is more difficult than scoring goals against Panama & Tunisia, he should be proud with that.That last paragraph is nonsense. Kane became top scorer because he took penalties and fluked one in off his heel. Lukaku’s WC goals were of much higher quality/difficult to score than Kane’s.
Another thing needs to be added, Kane & RVP knows how to take penalty but Lukaku doesn't.
Pogue Mahone
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Been a horrific amount of drivel posted by new members this season but your second sentence might just take the biscuit. Well done."Higher/difficult". In your point of view nothing is more difficult than scoring goals against Panama & Tunisia, he should be proud with that.
Another thing needs to be added, Kane & RVP knows how to take penalty but Lukaku doesn't.