Lukaku: We have been working on quick passing in last couple of weeks

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Amazing. Next week's revelation will be we've started working on taking corners
That would be fantastic because there is no evidence they've done much work on them. Even the takers are completely ad hoc. Every other team has set piece specialists whereas United's set pieces seem to be taken by whoever happens to be in the vicinity at the time.

The fact Rashford keeps taking them shows how little work goes in to them.
 

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:lol: should be doing this from day 1.
 

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Expected goals against, shots from inside the box, clear cut chances, paints a picture thats not very pretty when it comes to our defending.
I agree that DDG has made the numbers look better than they are. But still, some of the errors in the last 2 games were schoolboy-ish. Bailly was awful against Brighton and so was Jones against Spurs.

We defended deep and gave up ball possession a lot last season, so the stats will favour the opponents quite a bit.
 

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Lot of our moves seems to click. Second goal involving layoff to shaw comes to mind quickly. Wonder how much McKenna and Carrick have played their hand for this to happen?
Yeah was thinking the same. Hopefully their influence will become apparent over the next few weeks. Mourinho's tactics (defend deep and hit on the break) can only succeed if the players have quick, sharp skills to execute them.
 

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Jose said pre-season he was going to change tactics but it was difficult without the first team players to train with, so it was going to take time. Lukaku is just confirming what Jose was saying over a month ago.

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/jose-mourinho-hints-at-change-of-approach-at-manchester-united

The Portuguese coach was heavily criticised last season for a negative approach to games, but he has suggested that he may look to do things differently this season.


Mourinho though is well aware the time he has had with his players in pre-season has not been enough to get his message across and a new outlook will take time.


“The target is Leicester and the tactics to be changed in Championship Manager you can just press a button; in football you need time to work and players on the pitch to work and we didn’t have that until now,” said Mourinho at his press conference today.


“I told that during pre-season it looked like I was saying something absolutely out of order, something crazy."
 

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It's good news and refeshing, but I've two problems with this:

1. Why tell the world? Keep training in training.
2. Why the feck haven't we been doing this since Jose's day 1?
 

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Jeez people, just because they've mentioned us working on these things doesn't mean we never did before. We've probably just focused on it above all else in pre-season to try and fix perceived issues.
And in the end the only thing that matters is the future. If today is the day where we finally see the light then so be it and let's embrace the new dawn. Now it's still disappointing that we didn't put a bigger emphasis on it earlier, if that's the case, because we kind of wasted a lot of time.
 

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Very positive, in the last two games you could already see a change in style. If Lukaku converted his first half chances against Spurs we would have probably gone on to win that one comfortably which would paint a totally different picture post-Brighton.

Jose must recognize the weaknesses in this team, the only question now is whether we will address them in time to save the season.
 

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And in the end the only thing that matters is the future. If today is the day where we finally see the light then so be it and let's embrace the new dawn. Now it's still disappointing that we didn't put a bigger emphasis on it earlier, if that's the case, because we kind of wasted a lot of time.
Nothing to back it up, but maybe the new coaching staff had some input and Jose was convinced with the ideas.

If we play like this, then awesome as not many teams can handle that intensity and quality. If it's just a temporary fix, then very disappointing.
 

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'All we want is to see us play better were not just glory hunters, return to quick attacking united we love'

*players states thats whats being worked on and we see some early evidence of it on the pitch *

'Duh why weren't you do that sooner. Congratulations on learning how to play.'


I swear some of you would moan about how heavy your wallet is if you won the lotto
Jeez people, just because they've mentioned us working on these things doesn't mean we never did before. We've probably just focused on it above all else in pre-season to try and fix perceived issues.
Understood, this isn't an admission Jose woke up the other morning and decided we should maybe play some football, it has been developing over a far longer period of time than the beginning of this season.

That said what's the explanation for, to put it diplomatically, the overly prosaic nature of our football for most of the games under Jose? On the whole his Chelsea team had more flair, his Real team certainly did in the title-winning season, so why has he not been able to get us going over a sustained period? My take is Jose, through a combination of prioritising, legitimate concerns about some of our key personnel and his inherent pragmatism, has put off developing the quality of our play with the ball and is thankfully looking to play catch-up with McKenna and Carrick alongside him. There were legitimate reasons why Jose couldn't snap his fingers and guarantee free-flowing attacking play but he has beyond doubt produced less from the players he's had than the sum of their parts in terms of quality play.

As of now I'm happy with the Burnley display and the first half of the Spurs game, Lukaku and Jose have made the right noises in their recent post matches and so I'm excited to see what comes next.
 

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Nothing to back it up, but maybe the new coaching staff had some input and Jose was convinced with the ideas.

If we play like this, then awesome as not many teams can handle that intensity and quality. If it's just a temporary fix, then very disappointing.
Personally, I wasn't particularly impressed by the intensity and passing mainly because we played against a very lethargic team, our players had a lot of time on the ball and a lot of space at the exception of the last third. What I liked was the positioning and use of space, Lingard and Sanchez played wider than usual and Pogba had the intelligence to compensate when the wide players were narrow. Shaw and Valencia maintained the width very well too.

The things that need to be fixed from yesterday's game are the support to Shaw and Valencia, they need one-option wide and we need to exploit the entire length of the field and go to the goal line more often, at the moment teams don't even bother covering that space against us, they play very narrow back fours and there is a lot of space behind the wide midfielders.
 

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It definitely seems different. Even the Spurs game had a lot more attacking intent in the first half, but there was so much miscontrolling or over hit passes. Hopefully that’s just a case of them needing a bit more time to get used to it, rather than them not actually being good enough to play that way.
 

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Our style of play against Spurs and Burnley was COMPLETELY different in comparison to the 2 games before and also in comparison to a majority of last seasons games. They have to play like this every game, simple as that. My fear is we will see the old, defensive Utd again after the international break.
 

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So basically in this thread:

Anything good that happens: "This is all down to McKenna/Carrick/Ed/Anyone else not Jose!"

Anything bad that happens: "This is Jose's fault, Mourinho is to blame"

Bonus: "Why didn't Jose do these good things two years ago?"
 

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the best way for Mourinho to save his job is to go for it tactically and free up the players. You'd have thought fast passing and movement would be lesson number 1 for any attacking side

it will be a fun year if nothing else
That’s the best way to win over fans. The best way to save his job is to win matches by any means necessary.
 

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Jose said pre-season he was going to change tactics but it was difficult without the first team players to train with, so it was going to take time. Lukaku is just confirming what Jose was saying over a month ago.

https://www.teamtalk.com/news/jose-mourinho-hints-at-change-of-approach-at-manchester-united

The Portuguese coach was heavily criticised last season for a negative approach to games, but he has suggested that he may look to do things differently this season.


Mourinho though is well aware the time he has had with his players in pre-season has not been enough to get his message across and a new outlook will take time.


“The target is Leicester and the tactics to be changed in Championship Manager you can just press a button; in football you need time to work and players on the pitch to work and we didn’t have that until now,” said Mourinho at his press conference today.


“I told that during pre-season it looked like I was saying something absolutely out of order, something crazy."
Hallelujah. I might take down my “Jose out” placard for a bit to give him chance to prove he can evolve the style of play.
 

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Here We see the average days on RedCafe. People see quotes and They proceed to focus only on the quotes, missing out on the bigger pictures. If Lukaku said "We've been working on quick passing in the last couple of weeks" then it must mean exactly that, the days outside those "last couple of weeks" must consist of our players doing nothing in training and We should have been doing the quick passing from day one.

Have you guys ever seen a football training session?
 

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It's a start , let's wait and see more of this, specially in big games against attacking opponents. Positive signs though.
 

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Post match Lukaku said "The people will now see a different side of us. Everything we have been working on the last couple of weeks is coming now. Quick passing, runs in behind, lot of actions and lot of chances"


Which was very good to see. Even against Spurs we played well before they scored first goal and the 5 mins of madness. Today it was very obvious that we moved the ball very quickly and played with high intensity.

Think if we play with same intensity then most teams in the league just can't handle it. Hopefully we will stick to this, instead of just short term experiment.
Now let’s stick to the front 3 of Lukaku,Sanchez and Lingard...No more Mata on the right please,let Jesse play week in,week out on the right...We just need to figure out an ideal partner for Smalling now...Smalling should be our first choice centre back because I think he’s the best defender at the club.If we can get more out of Bailly and Fred,we can have a very strong spine to this team...
 

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@Adisa @girish @AgentP Training process changes over time. Last year, the team focused on structural and tactical work - to make sure the team shape was good and we don't concede. This took a bit away from the attack. Now that the players have a good sense of the tactical system, the focus is on the passing lanes/ movements and systems. It's natural to do this in a team building process.

Also, I'm sure McKenna and Carrick are more attack minded coaches than Rui Faria. They will probably coach the midfielders to use space differently when we have the ball. For example, a bunch of times yesterday, Pogba was sticking to the right wing byline like a right winger! That's not something he did at all last season. I remember Carrick used to move over to that side a lot during the 2008-2012 period to put crosses in.

The down side of this fluidity was seen over the last 2 games - where our CBs were exposed in a few situations and we conceded 6 goals. (Unlikely that this would have happened with Faria in charge - when both our CMs were first responsible for protecting the CBs, before getting involved in the attack)
Great post. Very astute to pick up on the link with Carricks positioning...I can't recall that level of detail from those years just a vague sense of 'great football' . But definitely must be rubbing off. We saw it with Pereira even who outwardly praised Carricks influence on his game. Hope Paul continues to learn from him.

It's good news and refeshing, but I've two problems with this:

1. Why tell the world? Keep training in training.
I feel like this messaging is for the fans. Most of the posts in this thread are positive and hopeful of continued improvement. Hearing it's a genuine shift in tactics and seeing it in games is a light at the end of the tunnel. I'm glad they came out and said it!

2. Why the feck haven't we been doing this since Jose's day 1?
There's a nice caption above from Jose about this that you should reread. Basically Jose wanted to change our style over the pre season but struggled not having all his players here.

If you're talking about Jose's literal first day on the job I think that's silly.
Season 1 - play the JM way. Win two trophies
Season 2 - "-" Come second to the greatest league performance by any Premier League team. FA Cup final loss. Ignominious CL exit.

Season 2 was okay and Jose admits needing vast improvement and has seen his original game plan fall short on the field and with the fans support. So perhaps it's also part of feeling more at home with United that he is now shifting to what the fans keep clamoring for as well - more expansive footy.

None of this happens overnight is the point. Let's be happy it's happening at all; a manager as decorated as Jose could just as easily have been stubborn and refused to change his ways.
 

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If we are changing our tactics then this season will be bumpy ride, will have good game and bad one.
I hope he will given time to adapt to new changes.
 

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None of this happens overnight is the point. Let's be happy it's happening at all; a manager as decorated as Jose could just as easily have been stubborn and refused to change his ways.
Of course it doesn't, that's why I asked why not since his day 1! You made points above that may address that question. Completely changing your style from sitting deep & tactically playing the game without the ball is the complete opposite to attacking & pressing football. We saw Pep try and fail over his first season, but it obviously works when given time.

At the moment it looks like the players are backing the manager and maybe that's to due with the fact they're enjoying training & matches again with a new more entertaining style. Imagine lining up as an attacker every game knowing your no.1 priority is to not concede? It would be soul destroying.

Even as a fan (I know it's only 2 bloody games) but I'm enjoying watching United again. Maybe Jose can turn it around and might actually be here for his final year of his contract. I honestly don't think I'd care if we 'parked the bus' and got the class Jose 1 or 3 points away to the big guns once we go at them at home like we did vs Spurs. As for the change in style itself, it will help us beat the lower deep defending teams that we have struggled against for the past 5 years.

Time will tell..
 

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Quick passing? I don't know where you were before this precinct Mourinho but these "maverick" ideas of yours won't work here.
 

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If we improve our style of play and play like against Brighton and Spurs, i will be convinced we are going to win the league next season for sure. We'll need more backup quality, CB and RW next season
 

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I believe there's plan to start thinking about some decent corners pencilled in for training sessions starting in 2020
 

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Not just the passing. Look at how many bodies were in the box(not a video :D). Looked to have clearly worked upon in training .

It's so refreshing to see. I can't count the amount of times I've watched Lukaku or Sanchez approach the corner of the box and I look up to see only Pogba lightly jogging into the box or Lingard making himself unavailable as he's the only United player surrounded by 5 defenders.

The comparison is maybe a bit unfair, but with City they have a tsunami of players busting a gut to get into the box, and it clearly pays dividends.

I hope this continues.
 

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The team are playing at high tempo and high pressing but as you can see it demands so much of the players, especially to those who didnt have proper pre season training. Give them some time to get used to it, and let them regain their fitness. I think this team is on the right track. It won’t happen overnight but I will take any kind of improvements.
 

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It definitely seems different. Even the Spurs game had a lot more attacking intent in the first half, but there was so much miscontrolling or over hit passes. Hopefully that’s just a case of them needing a bit more time to get used to it, rather than them not actually being good enough to play that way.
Developing match sharpness after the summer break is probably a big part of it as well. We were far less sloppy yesterday and that can be a major difference-maker if the goal is to string more complicated, faster passing all together.
 

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Great to hear. More combination play and hopefully sharper finishing, too.

Lukaku shouldn't be the only one to score. If others will chip in there's a chance to save this season.
 

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The collapse vs spurs was the result of our team not adapting to the new system/ pressing style. Give it time, we will improve.
Exactly that plus some clinical finishing from Spurs which we must also achieve.

A high tempo pressing style is actually very different to sustain over the whole match as it takes a very high level of fitness. It also requires a great understanding of who, where and when to press.

I would be surprised if it was used in every game so we ought to expect some difficulties as this change is implemented.

Encouraging nontheless.