Cassidy
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Massively overrated when fit in my opinion, he's a good player but there are some very good left backs around who can actually stay fit.
The man is unbelievable. When he wasn't playing the first game of this season I thought ETH was playing it safe with him but if he's back after October internationals that's already like 3 months out. The feck he's done to himself during the summer to be out this long already?
Surely we should be moving him on next summer? Makes no sense keeping him when he's fit to play like 20 games a season.
I agree.Really hope we start giving some Europa league games to Amass, at least as a sub to gauge how he is and start preparing for the future from next season. Promote from within or get a new starting XI LB …. Both Dalot and Nous are perfect for RB and playing either at LB negates our attack to some extent
I think he is our most overrated player. A good player but some hype him a lot.Massively overrated when fit in my opinion, he's a good player but there are some very good left backs around who can actually stay fit.
The man is unbelievable. When he wasn't playing the first game of this season I thought ETH was playing it safe with him but if he's back after October internationals that's already like 3 months out. The feck he's done to himself during the summer to be out this long already?
Surely we should be moving him on next summer? Makes no sense keeping him when he's fit to play like 20 games a season.
It doesn't make a huge difference to be fair if he's back right before the international break or right after it. Especially with Shaw.The quote is misleading to be fair. Ten Hag actually said he should be back before, but there's a possibility it might be after. It sounds more like they want to take absolutely zero risks with him.
Doesn't change the fact that Shaw does miss too much football, but I think part of the problem last season (for everyone) not just him was the lack of bodies meant that players were chucked back in immediately and broke again. Hopefully ten Hag's caution implies a more sensible management of him.
Season | Days | Injuries | Games missed |
---|---|---|---|
24/25 | 48 days | 1 | 7 |
23/24 | 205 days | 2 | 34 |
22/23 | 13 days | 1 | 3 |
21/22 | 85 days | 4 | 18 |
20/21 | 89 days | 2 | 18 |
19/20 | 91 days | 3 | 23 |
18/19 | 53 days | 4 | 11 |
17/18 | 190 days | 1 | 32 |
16/17 | 176 days | 2 | 30 |
15/16 | 288 days | 1 | 64 |
14/15 | 121 days | 4 | 31 |
12/13 | 17 days | 1 |
Massively overrated when fit in my opinion, he's a good player but there are some very good left backs around who can actually stay fit.
Surely if that is the case, Shaw should also have a sense of duty towards the club that's been paying him for years, shouldn't he?I think people are too harsh on Shaw personally. The club should look to move him on but there’s a bit of a duty of care there too.
Shaw was just a 20 year old kid when he suffered that double fracture playing for us in the Champions League. At the time everyone was gutted for him and feared what the long term implications would be on his career with such a devastating injury. Well here we are… we know what complications it’s caused and ten Hag has confirmed that Shaw’s injury woes are an ongoing concern caused by that injury that he’s going to deal with for his career and beyond.
So it’s a difficult on imo. Cut throat world of competitive football suggests he should have been sacked off a while ago. Compassionate football club that looks after its players when they’re injured in the line of duty and gives them every chance to have the career they hoped when they joined suggests it’s not so bad accommodating him but we really should invest better in alternatives.
Conversely he hadn’t played for about 5 months. If his return from injury coincided with the Euros, the club might have determined that the best thing for him was to join the England training camp and continue his rehab and hopefully get some match fitness before returning to our preseason.Surely if that is the case, Shaw should also have a sense of duty towards the club that's been paying him for years, shouldn't he?
I can understand his ambitions but did it really make sense for him to be pushing himself to play for England at the Euros just so he can end up starting 1 fecking match? Wouldn't it be better if he focussed on being ready for the start of this season?
Looking back, it’s doesn't appear to be the case. It seems you’re giving him too much benefit of the doubt.Conversely he hadn’t played for about 5 months. If his return from injury coincided with the Euros, the club might have determined that the best thing for him was to join the England training camp and continue his rehab and hopefully get some match fitness before returning to our preseason.
Didn’t work out, he got injured.
Agreed. Whilst he's had some really good spells when fit he's also had his fair share of shockers. The 7-0 vs Liverpool he had one of the worst performances I've seen from a pro in the second half and he was supposed to be a senior player. Feel like him being out injured so long and us not really having a suitable replacement (until this season) has elevated his stock massively.Massively overrated when fit in my opinion, he's a good player but there are some very good left backs around who can actually stay fit.
It doesn't make a huge difference to be fair if he's back right before the international break or right after it. Especially with Shaw.
Shaw doesn't need the excuse of rushing back from injury though, he's been injury prone throughout his career with us. In his 10 years with us he's had like 1 year where he was relatively injury free.
Edit : The below is from transfermarkt. Complete and utter joke he's been allowed to stay this long.
I can understand us not going for a left back this season as we have to make squad space for it and we already have 2 LBs on our books(who no one would take even if we tried as they were injured). Next summer though, he should moved on as first priority.
Season Days Injuries Games missed 24/25 48 days 1 7 23/24 205 days 2 34 22/23 13 days 1 3 21/22 85 days 4 18 20/21 89 days 2 18 19/20 91 days 3 23 18/19 53 days 4 11 17/18 190 days 1 32 16/17 176 days 2 30 15/16 288 days 1 64 14/15 121 days 4 31 12/13 17 days 1
First sign an LB. Bench Shaw and make him backup, even if the new players is slightly less talented than him.Surely we should be moving him on next summer?
We currently have two senior left-backs on the books. Based on what INEOS has shown this summer regarding squad management with AWB and McT, it’s clear we won’t buy another unless we manage to sell either Luke Shaw or Malacia.First sign an LB. Bench Shaw and make him backup, even if the new players is slightly less talented than him.
And then maybe, just maybe, he will take a pay cut and look for another team.
Other option is to play Malacia even when Shaw is fit. Shaw currently has no motivation to leave because when fit, he just walks in to the team, even if he plays only 3-4 games before he gets injured again. No competition is pretty much how Shaw has survived at the club for more than decade despite being injured for 40% of his time here.We currently have two senior left-backs on the books. Based on what INEOS has shown this summer regarding squad management with AWB and McT, it’s clear we won’t buy another unless we manage to sell either Luke Shaw or Malacia.
Agree with you 100%.Massively overrated when fit in my opinion, he's a good player but there are some very good left backs around who can actually stay fit.
Provide a source if you want to make claims such as these.He's fine and is being punished for going to the Euros. ETH doesn't half feck around.
Seems to be a quite obvious joke to me?Provide a source if you want to make claims such as these.
It doesn't make a huge difference to be fair if he's back right before the international break or right after it. Especially with Shaw.
Shaw doesn't need the excuse of rushing back from injury though, he's been injury prone throughout his career with us. In his 10 years with us he's had like 1 year where he was relatively injury free.
Edit : The below is from transfermarkt. Complete and utter joke he's been allowed to stay this long.
I can understand us not going for a left back this season as we have to make squad space for it and we already have 2 LBs on our books(who no one would take even if we tried as they were injured). Next summer though, he should moved on as first priority.
Season Days Injuries Games missed 24/25 48 days 1 7 23/24 205 days 2 34 22/23 13 days 1 3 21/22 85 days 4 18 20/21 89 days 2 18 19/20 91 days 3 23 18/19 53 days 4 11 17/18 190 days 1 32 16/17 176 days 2 30 15/16 288 days 1 64 14/15 121 days 4 31 12/13 17 days 1
You really can't tell these days. Some people are convinced Ugarte won't play much this season cause of the reports that ETH had to be convinced of signing him.Seems to be a quite obvious joke to me?
He's great when fit, Ole 20/21 and ETH first season he was immense. Its a shame really, he's one of the few who I'd say is worth gambling on his injury record because he is so good when he's fit and has had a good few seasons where he's not a sicknote in the past.Massively overrated when fit in my opinion, he's a good player but there are some very good left backs around who can actually stay fit.
He's great when fit, Ole 20/21 and ETH first season he was immense. Its a shame really, he's one of the few who I'd say is worth gambling on his injury record because he is so good when he's fit and has had a good few seasons where he's not a sicknote in the past.
Massively overrated when fit in my opinion, he's a good player but there are some very good left backs around who can actually stay fit.
Just out of interest - who are these very good LB's better than Shaw that aren't either
A) A CB playing at LB
B) A RB playing at LB
I'm genuinely asking because If I had to name one I can only think of Theo Hernandez - & he isn't exactly that great either playing at Milan.
I think LB in the market lack quality and quantity. I can only think of Ait Nouri & Gutierrez as solid LB's & they have yet to be tested out at our club level either.
Every time I mention Davies name people call him overrated - like who are genuinely world class LB's?
I think people are too harsh on Shaw personally. The club should look to move him on but there’s a bit of a duty of care there too.
Shaw was just a 20 year old kid when he suffered that double fracture playing for us in the Champions League. At the time everyone was gutted for him and feared what the long term implications would be on his career with such a devastating injury. Well here we are… we know what complications it’s caused and ten Hag has confirmed that Shaw’s injury woes are an ongoing concern caused by that injury that he’s going to deal with for his career and beyond.
So it’s a difficult on imo. Cut throat world of competitive football suggests he should have been sacked off a while ago. Compassionate football club that looks after its players when they’re injured in the line of duty and gives them every chance to have the career they hoped when they joined suggests it’s not so bad accommodating him but we really should invest better in alternatives.
I really rate him but he should be kicked out of the club for this. If it was any other nation the press would be having a field day with it.Duty of care? Guy was injured the whole season, risked himself playing for England in the Euros, and then got injured again.
Amass didn’t make the Barnsley squad there is a zero chance of seeing him in the EL seeing as Malacia is returningReally hope we start giving some Europa league games to Amass, at least as a sub to gauge how he is and start preparing for the future from next season. Promote from within or get a new starting XI LB …. Both Dalot and Nous are perfect for RB and playing either at LB negates our attack to some extent