[The Hilton]

He's had more than one poor game. He's doing a job, a decent one, nothing special, he's not adventurous or dynamic enough with his running or movement, his passing is just safe, sideways or backwards to the inside. Offers very little attacking threat down the outside.

I'd say he just does enough, but Utd need a player at left back who can do more.

Sounds like an agenda.

Jokes aside, I agree completely, his physical deficiencies were masked at CB but as a fullback he doesn't have the legs anymore to get up and down the pitch to support the attack. We're playing the most friendly system for him as well, sitting deep most of the time, and Dorgu has done a lot of his running for him when he was available. We'll likely stick with this approach for the rest of the season, which is sensible, and he's doing OK in it, but if we want to play more proactively next season we'll need a fullback who's able to contribute to the attack much more, and has the legs to get up and down the pitch to deal with transitions too.

 

[Oranges038]

Sounds like an agenda.

Jokes aside, I agree completely, his physical deficiencies were masked at CB but as a fullback he doesn't have the legs anymore to get up and down the pitch to support the attack. We're playing the most friendly system for him as well, sitting deep most of the time, and Dorgu has done a lot of his running for him when he was available. We'll likely stick with this approach for the rest of the season, which is sensible, and he's doing OK in it, but if we want to play more proactively next season we'll need a fullback who's able to contribute to the attack much more, and has the legs to get up and down the pitch to deal with transitions too.

He's doing the bare minimum required, which is more than we're used to getting from him.

Definitely need a left sided player there with more athleticism and energy, Dalot lacks a lof Shaw's quality on the ball, but he's a willing runner on the other side. Need someone like that who hasn't gone to the Bebe school of crossing.

 

[Woziak]

He’s just had 2 weeks off. We are only playing 40 games this season.

He’s definitely playing within himself, but that’s the only way he will stay fit. Rest isn’t going to change that.

Just imagine he gets recalled to the England squad and starts marauding up the left like he used to, United fans would genuinely go nuts!

 

[Scotty Doesn't Know]

I am unsure whether spending money on a starting LB this summer would be wise when we have several other positions that need upgrading first. Could Harry Amass stake a claim for LB next season? He could offer the athleticism which can no longer be provided by Shaw, assuming that Dorgu is favoured at LW.

 

[gregor]

I am unsure whether spending money on a starting LB this summer would be wise when we have several other positions that need upgrading first. Could Harry Amass stake a claim for LB next season? He could offer the athleticism which can no longer be provided by Shaw, assuming that Dorgu is favoured at LW.

LB should be third priority after the two CM's.

 

[Doracle]

LB should be third priority after the two CM's.

LW is a higher priority than LB in my view. That said, I am still very keen that we are focussing on Lewis Hall for the left back spot long term. Hall plus new starting LW, with Dorgu and Shaw as back up feels like it covers that side for a while.

 

[Scotty Doesn't Know]

LB should be third priority after the two CM's.

For me, it should be the 5th priority after two CMs, a LW and a backup striker.

 

[AngeloHenriquez]

LW is a higher priority than LB in my view. That said, I am still very keen that we are focussing on Lewis Hall for the left back spot long term. Hall plus new starting LW, with Dorgu and Shaw as back up feels like it covers that side for a while.

For me, it should be the 5th priority after two CMs, a LW and a backup striker.

LB is a much bigger priority than you state here, go and look at Shaw's heatmap and his attacking stats, even defense wise he isn't great, he's not what he used to be at all.

Getting a LB who can get up and down the pitch would also make Cunha at LW look 100x better as he's never got the choice of the overlap like Amad has regularly with Dalot (Who he himself has big limitations).

There seems to be this narrative that Shaw's been excellent but I couldn't disagree further, I wanted him to go to LB and roll back the years but Amorim made him look better in a 3 but the minute you're playing LB his inability to get up and down is exposed and this season aside we can't rely on his fitness.

 

[gregor]

For me, it should be the 5th priority after two CMs, a LW and a backup striker.

You can’t go into the new season with Shaw as the only senior option at LB. But you can go with Dorgu and Cunha as LWs.

If we get a new LW, I'm not sure it makes sense to also buy a striker.

Bruno, Mbeumo, Amad, Cunha, Šeško, Dorgu + a new LW and a striker — that’s 8 players competing for 4 positions, and that’s without even counting Mount, Zirkzee, or any of the U21s.

 

[Irwin99]

He’s been a bit limited recently but I think he’s had a good season overall. Definitely wouldn’t renew his contract in a years time. We have to move on.

 

[arthurka]

He’s been a limited recently but I think he’s had a good season overall. Definitely wouldn’t renew his contract in a years time. We have to move on.

He has always been a very patchy and very injured during his time here. It's time to let him go after his contract runs out.

 

[lex talionis]

Luke is definitely holding himself back right now. Whether it's fatigue or strategic to minimize the risk of another injury right before the World Cup, he's playing fullback full-time now and rarely going forward. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing -- after all, we did keep a clean sheet against Everton.

 

[Scotty Doesn't Know]

You can’t go into the new season with Shaw as the only senior option at LB. But you can go with Dorgu and Cunha as LWs.

If we get a new LW, I'm not sure it makes sense to also buy a striker.

Bruno, Mbeumo, Amad, Cunha, Šeško, Dorgu + a new LW and a striker — that’s 8 players competing for 4 positions, and that’s without even counting Mount, Zirkzee, or any of the U21s.

Mazraoui and Dalot can do a job at LB, to be fair. I wouldn't be against signing a senior full back for under 25m. Before the season ends, hopefully we'll see Carrick try Dorgu at LB, as I would like to see how him and Cunha link up on the left.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Didn't look a serious injury but it's Luke Shaw so who knows. Wouldn't shock me if that's him done for the season.

He's managed to stay fit all season but I don't think he's been particularly impressive. It's like he's decided he's okay putting in 6/10 performances all season to make sure he stays fit.

 

[TempusFugit]

Why did Dalot get booked for the same thing Munoz did to Shaw without any punishment? Mazraoui looked decent at LB today so Shaw can recover properly.

 

[Reddevildans]

Wouldnt be surprised if it's metertasal. That's him for 5-6 months. Needs replacing on the field as he offers nothing going forward.

 

[King7Eric]

Wouldnt be surprised if it's metertasal. That's him for 5-6 months. Needs replacing on the field as he offers nothing going forward.

Carrick has said he was taken ill. So would expect him to be back on Wednesday.

 

[Santos J]

Didn't look a serious injury but it's Luke Shaw so who knows. Wouldn't shock me if that's him done for the season.

He's managed to stay fit all season but I don't think he's been particularly impressive. It's like he's decided he's okay putting in 6/10 performances all season to make sure he stays fit.

Agreed, he’s not much use past the half way line nowadays

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Agreed, he’s not much use past the half way line nowadays

Yeah, he's a total non entity going forward now.

Defensively he's ok, we've bigger issues in the squad to sort out. I still think we need a new left back for next season though.

 

[Carl]

Why did Dalot get booked for the same thing Munoz did to Shaw without any punishment? Mazraoui looked decent at LB today so Shaw can recover properly.

Think it was because it was Dalot's second offence.

 

[TheReligion]

Wouldnt be surprised if it's metertasal. That's him for 5-6 months. Needs replacing on the field as he offers nothing going forward.

You can recover from a broken leg in less time than a broken foot?

 

[KjaAnd]

He's been alright defensively but him not offering anything going forward has been a massive issue for us - especially without a natural LW in front of him. We need Dorgu back quickly.

 

[CM]

Needs phasing out of the team in the summer. Always liked Shaw but his inability to get up and down now means he's not a viable first choice anymore.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

Wouldnt be surprised if it's metertasal. That's him for 5-6 months. Needs replacing on the field as he offers nothing going forward.

Speaking to BBC after the game, boss Carrick stated that it was illness affecting the two defenders, rather than injury.

"They just weren’t feeling too well, so, hopefully, they will be feeling better soon," he said.

 

[criticalanalysis]

Speaking to BBC after the game, boss Carrick stated that it was illness affecting the two defenders, rather than injury.

"They just weren’t feeling too well, so, hopefully, they will be feeling better soon," he said.

That makes sense as both Maguire and Shaw did look strangely groggy before coming off.

 

[UnofficialDevil]

That makes sense as both Maguire and Shaw did look strangely groggy before coming off.

Yup

 

[Grande]

That makes sense as both Maguire and Shaw did look strangely groggy before coming off.

The strange thing is he said only two, as both Dalot and Yoro looked alot more Groggy than Maguire today (yes, I saw him nodding off when he came off)

 

[jesperjaap]

He's had more than one poor game. He's doing a job, a decent one, nothing special, he's not adventurous or dynamic enough with his running or movement, his passing is just safe, sideways or backwards to the inside. Offers very little attacking threat down the outside.

I'd say he just does enough, but Utd need a player at left back who can do more.

I would say we need a right back far more than a left back, though I would actually like to see Dorgu playing rb longer term. Although I somewhat agree with the safe passing, he is still when fit and playing consistently one of the best full backs around

 

[Alemar]

Carrick has said he was taken ill.

Why did he start at all then?

 

[MadDogg]

Shaw did take a bit of a head knock 15-20 minutes before he came off, so I did wonder if it was concussion with slightly delayed symptoms. I hope not as he's had a few concussions over the years, probably more than any of our other players that I can remember. Including the two he had in fairly short succession during Ole's reign which really did worry me at the time. I've always felt that football doesn't take concussions seriously enough, although it is improving.

The way Maguire looked as he came off made me suspect the same there too.

Hopefully it was just an illness in both cases.

 

[pacifictheme]

Shaw did take a bit of a head knock 15-20 minutes before he came off, so I did wonder if it was concussion with slightly delayed symptoms. I hope not as he's had a few concussions over the years, probably more than any of our other players that I can remember. Including the two he had in fairly short succession during Ole's reign which really did worry me at the time. I've always felt that football doesn't take concussions seriously enough, although it is improving.

The way Maguire looked as he came off made me suspect the same there too.

Hopefully it was just an illness in both cases.

I did not get the impression Maguire's was a head injury. Walked right past me and I would say it was muscular by the way he was walking. Nothing extreme but wasn't moving right at all.

Have either been confirmed?

 

[King7Eric]

Why did he start at all then?

That would be a question for the manager and the doctor I suppose. Perhaps they felt he was fine but maybe the symptoms became worse once he started playing. He also got a knock when he collided with one of their players early on and looked a bit groggy following that, so maybe that made it worse as well.

 

[Salt Bailly]

Does feel like he's gone off the boil a bit in the second half of the season. He's not used to playing this many games...

 

[Ole'sgunnarwin]

At this stage of his career, there's no way he should be our first choice left back. Doesn't get forward much and very injury prone. I would be interested to see Dorgu when he comes back to see if he can continue his great form from left back.

He seems better left wing but we've many options in our attacking positions and I feel Cunha would benefit with Dorgu's overlapping runs.

 

[Reds Under The Bed]

Does feel like he's gone off the boil a bit in the second half of the season. He's not used to playing this many games...

Saving his energy for the world cup

 

[Wilt]

Saving his energy for the world cup

Surprised if he’s selected

 

[Ish]

Are people forgetting he played the first half of the season as a CB? So I wouldn’t say it’s an automatic drop in energy levels (or maybe it’s that clear?) but possibly the CB role suited him more, over the expectation that most modern fullbacks would be marauding up and down that touchline all game.

 

[Bojan11]

Should not be our LB next season. Plays at pedestrian pace and offers nothing going forward.

 

[George Owen]

Should not be our LB next season. Plays at pedestrian pace and offers nothing going forward.

That's the case since like 8 years ago, but here we are.

I don't trust the club and can see him finishing his contract. A disgrace.

 

[AjaxCunian]

A true liability.