Do that. It’s all very reasonable.
Luke Shaw interview post Wolves defeat
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Dropped? Martial told him he wanted to leave, thus no point playing him.
A big decision would be to drop Maguire, Ronaldo, Rashford, Bruno, etc - none of which he's done, unless forced or rotating the squad.
I certainly will do, but my focus was on the thread title, which was part of the interview.
Said nothing wrong to my mind.
Most shocking thing was how very deeply depressed he seemed. I’m glad he wasn’t laughing but if he reflects the mood of the squad they are absolutely in bits just now.
Most shocking thing was how very deeply depressed he seemed. I’m glad he wasn’t laughing but if he reflects the mood of the squad they are absolutely in bits just now.
Yeah, his utter deflation was what made it resonate when he said it moreso than in text.
Yeah, their collective heads are obviously in a very bad place. They’re not great players but they’re miles better than we’ve seen in recent weeks. I’m actually wondering if losing a manager they all personally like (Ole) can have the opposite effect to a manager getting fired that they hate (like Mou)
bruno Rashford and Maguire didn’t start today. Bruno and rashford were straight dropped and I expectthe Maguire “injury” was an excuse to take him out of the firing line without denting his confidence too much
Sadly I agree. His Euros play was great and he was very good last season but many times he has flattered to deceive and also not worked very hard on the pitch. Speaking out like that does not mean he has a good mentality. I was hoping Telles would kick him on, guess not.
Oh it’s that post you reply to. Not the one where you attempted to misrepresent me
Here you are again, misrepresenting comments Pogue. No ones crossing fingers lad, it’s clear you rate Shaw higher than I do which is fine so let’s dial back the hyperbole.
The fact he’s even saying what he did explains a lot about his performances this season as he is part of the problem too. We keep hearing our players coming out and saying we didn’t play how we should of as if it’s other peoples fault.
If Shaw is saying this, he clearly isn’t giving 100% himself as it seems like him and many others in the squad are divided and aren’t going to fight for each other.
tbh, the attitude of the team stinks. It’s most telling when we lose the ball, you don’t see them fighting for each other to get it back or helping their team mate out.
All I see is dirty looks being given, arms being thrown around, moaning and complaining. Without saying anything, the body language of the players is so telling at the moment. Even the moment when Cavani took a long range shot and Greenwood showing disgust with his arms and not even bothering to look at Cavani. All the players just seem to come across as so entitled and it’s always someone else who’s the problem.
If Shaw is saying this, he clearly isn’t giving 100% himself as it seems like him and many others in the squad are divided and aren’t going to fight for each other.
tbh, the attitude of the team stinks. It’s most telling when we lose the ball, you don’t see them fighting for each other to get it back or helping their team mate out.
All I see is dirty looks being given, arms being thrown around, moaning and complaining. Without saying anything, the body language of the players is so telling at the moment. Even the moment when Cavani took a long range shot and Greenwood showing disgust with his arms and not even bothering to look at Cavani. All the players just seem to come across as so entitled and it’s always someone else who’s the problem.
Good point.
It's all reactive. Bruno didn't play because RR didn't want to change a winning team.
Rashford should have been dropped before he decided to do so, and Maguire is injured.
Have no idea what you’re on about now. Did you mean to quote my same post twice and give two different replies? (neither of which made much sense)
If that's true then as a group, turning a psychological corner like that could be almost impossible.
I closed my stream the minute the final whistle blew in disgust so I didn't see the interview.
Who do we think is in what camp and who are the trouble makers.
As I've said several times recently, bar a couple, notably DDG, I'm growing to despise the lot of them. Ironically not long ago I thought we'd assembled a fairly likeable group. I'm sick of these over paid, spineless bunch of whingers dossing around the pitch, insulting the fans who pay their hard earned money to travel to the games, while they themselves, bar one of 2, give absolutely no fecks what so ever. And why would they as they will still pick up their hundreds of thousands each week, no questions asked.
Oh but don't forget, they'll all post their fake apologies to try and gather sympathy, saying they will do better next time. Then proceed to show how fake their (or their PR teams) words were by repeating the pathetic showing in the next game.
They need holding to account over their "performances". Lots of them have the ability, but choose when to turn up. If this severe underperformance was present in most other workplaces, those underperforming would be held to account.
Perhaps if they were docked wages, they may actually pull their fingers out once in a while.
No wonder they came out in support of Ole's man management, I get the sense they were allowed to put in minimal effort, in his bid to keep them onside. Obviously his coaching has a large part to play for our current troubles and given the grief they're giving Ralph, who presumably actually demands effort, it's unsurprising he tried to keep them onside as he knew they'd down tools in an instant
Ooh how I'd love for Sir Alex's "no one is bigger than the club" mantra to be deployed.
Who do we think is in what camp and who are the trouble makers.
As I've said several times recently, bar a couple, notably DDG, I'm growing to despise the lot of them. Ironically not long ago I thought we'd assembled a fairly likeable group. I'm sick of these over paid, spineless bunch of whingers dossing around the pitch, insulting the fans who pay their hard earned money to travel to the games, while they themselves, bar one of 2, give absolutely no fecks what so ever. And why would they as they will still pick up their hundreds of thousands each week, no questions asked.
Oh but don't forget, they'll all post their fake apologies to try and gather sympathy, saying they will do better next time. Then proceed to show how fake their (or their PR teams) words were by repeating the pathetic showing in the next game.
They need holding to account over their "performances". Lots of them have the ability, but choose when to turn up. If this severe underperformance was present in most other workplaces, those underperforming would be held to account.
Perhaps if they were docked wages, they may actually pull their fingers out once in a while.
No wonder they came out in support of Ole's man management, I get the sense they were allowed to put in minimal effort, in his bid to keep them onside. Obviously his coaching has a large part to play for our current troubles and given the grief they're giving Ralph, who presumably actually demands effort, it's unsurprising he tried to keep them onside as he knew they'd down tools in an instant
Ooh how I'd love for Sir Alex's "no one is bigger than the club" mantra to be deployed.
If that's the case, then they should have thought about that before putting in subpar performances every week under Ole. They only have themselves to blame and we're seeing the same thing under RR.
We just need a mass clear out, the dressing room is obviously toxic, full of mercenaries who hold contempt for one another.
in terms of effort vs ability, Jones shone this evening, but I’d like to see us sell AWB, Shaw, Maguire,Rashford,DeGuire, Matic, Lindelöf, Telles, & Bailey.
in terms of effort vs ability, Jones shone this evening, but I’d like to see us sell AWB, Shaw, Maguire,Rashford,DeGuire, Matic, Lindelöf, Telles, & Bailey.
Well absolutely, but I really don’t see it as being that simple. Who among the starting 11 today belongs in that bolded bit? Pogba is injured, Martial has been frozen out. Lingard was an unused sub, Donny and Henderson likewise. Surely those three weren’t influencing the players on the pitch with their toxic vibes?
I find it really hard to blame the awful performances of (say) McTominay and Matić on such factors.
I don't think he's excusing them, but Shaw looked really flattened.
Bit harsh. He hasn't even featured for us yet.
Shaw and Maguire were part of the problem that got Ole sacked.
Rangnik might do a Lukaku and try and get a move back to Lokamotiv given the supposed scale of shite hes going to have to sort out.
Ego FC
Ego FC
Started to hate every one. I wonder what they do really want? They all seemed so unprofessional and only moaning.
I think his dig is aimed at the forward players. He also said they couldn’t get out from the back as players weren’t providing passing options.
Ronaldo, Sancho, Bruno, Greenwodd Rashford just haven’t gelled and frequently play for themselves this season. Even Cavani was doing that today.
Ronaldo, Sancho, Bruno, Greenwodd Rashford just haven’t gelled and frequently play for themselves this season. Even Cavani was doing that today.
The players aren’t playing as a team, that’s one thing this manager said he would change when he came in, he’d get us playing more as a team! This is awful… we’ve got to many selfish players who are playing for themselves, time and time again our players make wrong decisions, like sancho today, should of played Ronaldo in… we’d score a lot more goals if we work as a team instead of bein selfish and players trying to score for themselves.
Maybe the manager should re bench you I’d suggest. Oh we are so lost.
They obviously didn’t deliberately play bad under Ole. It won’t have been a conscious decision. And that’s a separate issue from them feeling crushed after his departure.
Shaw aside, it’s looked most obvious with Bruno. Who’s looked absolutely miserable over the last few weeks. I’d suggest Rashford as well but I’d struggle to remember the last time he looked like he enjoyed playing football.
Too many big time Charlie's in that squad actually think there better then what they are and don't deserve to be playing for the club.
Think Ole and his staff gave them an easy life and were happy with that and now players are realising they have to work hard and its something most of the squad don't like.
We need more grafters in the squad and will fight and work hard every game.
Wasted alot of money on bang average players who wouldn't get a sniff at the top clubs.
Utd a very long way off competing for the title. All the so called mid table clubs have caught up now with Utd. Every game is a tough one now that showed against Norwich and Newcastle.
Think Ole and his staff gave them an easy life and were happy with that and now players are realising they have to work hard and its something most of the squad don't like.
We need more grafters in the squad and will fight and work hard every game.
Wasted alot of money on bang average players who wouldn't get a sniff at the top clubs.
Utd a very long way off competing for the title. All the so called mid table clubs have caught up now with Utd. Every game is a tough one now that showed against Norwich and Newcastle.
In other words Ronaldo's return has lifted expectations above levels him and some others in your squad are comfortable with.
Interesting. Think a lot of this falls back on the manager, who really should be working on this in training. I have no doubt he is, but we're not seeing anything of the sort during games.
RR speaks a lot about balance but the teams he's put out so far have been far from it.
I don't think we can blame the new manager for long term issues. Yes it's his job to fix it but just because it's not fixed yet could be down to many things, Michael Gray, who is a bit of an idiot sometimes said you can't coach players who aren't up for being coached or something along those lines.
There are issues regarding movement and intensity that have been consistent under at least 3 managers.
And don’t forget AWB giving away possession by kicking the ball aimlessly back to Wolves.
You really can tell who watched and who didn't.
Fair play to him for opening up and being honest and not hiding away from it.
You could tell actually that he wanted to say more and really pin some people to the wall but he managed to keep some composure there.
There's a serious rift in the dressing room, it's obvious and has been obvious for some time.
I don't think anybody is gonna blame the manager realistically this time. The players have done too much.
You could tell actually that he wanted to say more and really pin some people to the wall but he managed to keep some composure there.
There's a serious rift in the dressing room, it's obvious and has been obvious for some time.
I don't think anybody is gonna blame the manager realistically this time. The players have done too much.
I missed the match today, caught the highlights, but man it's depressing to hear stuff like this come out.
Bad enough when it's rumours, worse when it's so openly talked about.
DDG was saying something similar when Ole was still here, thinking we have deeper problems than I feared
Bad enough when it's rumours, worse when it's so openly talked about.
DDG was saying something similar when Ole was still here, thinking we have deeper problems than I feared
The exact opposite would be closer to the truth.
If we had Forum strictly for interview performances ratings we could finally have positive Forum on the Forum.
Hardly a surprise, when the system sacrificed a midfielder to play 2 strikers who both are more of finishers with average passings.
"We have unbelievable quality!"
So the players aren't the problem.
Ok, where do we have unbelievable quality?
Who from our team walks into the Chelsea, City or Liverpool first team?
So the players aren't the problem.
Ok, where do we have unbelievable quality?
Who from our team walks into the Chelsea, City or Liverpool first team?