Timber is a young player and looks good but it's frankly bollocks to say the other two are better. Outside of the top 2 - 3 Erdivisie sides it's a very weak league. I've followed a number of English players over there in recent years and guys like Clark-Salter, Dan Crowley and Lewis Baker that look decent there struggle to even become regular starters in The Championship when they come back to England. If players like Bazoer and Trauner were really as good as you claim they wouldn't be on such modest career paths.
So you rate players based on the clubs they play for? Reverse it:
If Büttner was as shit as I claim he wouldn't have played for MU.
There's always exceptions and players with stories and it works both ways. Dumfries was an amateur footballer at 18. Van der Wiel was a starter at PSG for multiple seasons and Maguire was bought for 80m by Manchester United. Graziano Pelle was a flop in Serie A and the Eredivsie at multiple clubs 'till 26y old and then had 2 PL seasons in which he scored 10+ goals.
I'm not saying Bazoer and Trauner are Utd quality, I'm saying they're slightly better than Maguire, which isn't a high bar.
Feel free to tune in and watch them tonight in the mickey mouse cup.
I get that, I'm asking who isn't wrong? VDV or
@Firstouch20 ?
VDV is obviously wrong with his exaggerated nonsense and
@Firstouch20 too when he said "Maguire wouldn't have been scouted by top flight clubs".
@Firstouch20 isn't wrong. It's possible the Dutch would have slept on Maguire, not because he isn't any good but because the Dutch suck at recognizing good defenders. Ajax choose not to sign VVD and Stam wasn't successful domestically.