Massively.Wes Brown was so underrated.
It kinda is when you're spending £80m on a centre back.Regardless of the first comment, Wes Brown being better is hardly a stick to beat someone with, he was very good.
Even on the first point, Wes was one of our fastest players for years! It’s not like he was Juan MataRegardless of the first comment, Wes Brown being better is hardly a stick to beat someone with, he was very good.
Wes pre injury was probably the most promising CB in the world. Post injury he became a top CB but nowhere near to WC.Wes Brown was so underrated.
It sort of does because Maguire is the most expensive CB in the world and yet Wes was better then him. We're not talking here about Maldini, Baresi or even a Stam or a Rio CB level here. We're talking about Wes levelRegardless of the first comment, Wes Brown being better is hardly a stick to beat someone with, he was very good.
I saw him outside OT before Wolves. I’d back him to out-sprint Maguire.Wes Brown is 42 though. He's not the answer in my opinion.
The point hes making that Brown being someone who was considered a squad player or a backup to our first choice CBs/RBs being better than the current first choice CB and captain who was bought for a fortune.Regardless of the first comment, Wes Brown being better is hardly a stick to beat someone with, he was very good.
It looks like it doesn't it?I'm pretty sure our scouts just watch Match of the Day and listen to whoever Shearer and Wrighty are raving about
Wes pre injury was probably the most promising CB in the world. Post injury he became a top CB but nowhere near to WC.
It sort of does because Maguire is the most expensive CB in the world and yet Wes was better then him. We're not talking here about Maldini, Baresi or even a Stam or a Rio CB level here. We're talking about Wes level
Exactly.The point hes making that Brown being someone who was considered a squad player or a backup to our first choice CBs/RBs being better than the current first choice CB and captain who was bought for a fortune.
JAAP SLAMHardly SLAMMING him.
Well this isn't something we can be sure of. However, when we signed Wan Bissaka I remember reading stuff (that looked like it'd been briefed) that the club had gone through 800 right backs to decide on Wan-Bissaka. So it certainly looks like it was more than Ole's decision.Was it our scouts though, or Ole's supposed obsession with creating a British core of players. Hence the Maguire and AWB signings.
'I do think it is important to have good players around him [Maguire]. When he has good players around him to support him that helps. When I had good players around me, I could perform a little bit better too.
So from my POV we were trying to get an "english core" at united for some reason. Which no other club tries to do. After overpaying for the likes of Maguire and AWB (I think Sancho will come good). We've ditched that. We then went out and did what you said and got the likes of Diallo (who was massively rated) and i think has been extremely impressive for his age and looks a better prospect than Elanga for me. We also went and signed Pellistri.It looks like it doesn't it?
Our latest rumoured 'targets' are Bellingham, Rice, McGinn. Do we need one of the largest scouting departments in England to identify these guys as potential signings?
What happened to unearthing a Cristiano Ronaldo? Bringing in an Evra or a Vidic? When was the last time we signed someone relatively obscure, for decent money, who went on to become really, really good?
Exactly.
Think it was a snub to Jose who wanted him the previous season. Hahaaah! We bought him for Ole. Feck you Jose. No thought or scouting gone into it at all.Was it our scouts though, or Ole's supposed obsession with creating a British core of players. Hence the Maguire and AWB signings.
Yeah, He also didn't say that we should look at our recruitement (which would suggest he's really saying it was a bad signing) but rather that we should do it IF we're not happy with Maguire.Sensationalist headline
the article is actually not as bad. He was asked to compare to Wes brown (not sure why).
No he isn't. He was asked to compare Maguire and Brown and said that Brown was better at defending 1v1's because he was faster and stronger. There's not even a quote from Stam in the article saying that Brown was better.The point hes making that Brown being someone who was considered a squad player or a backup to our first choice CBs/RBs being better than the current first choice CB and captain who was bought for a fortune.
I can see the logic in trying to get a British core to our team. British players don't tend to travel well. They rarely go to foreign leagues. So if you were able to assemble a really good core of British players you could build around that for the long term. In a similar way Bayern makes sure to hoover up all the best German players and they can integrate them into a long term project, knowing that they're unlikely to want to leave for Spain etc.So from my POV we were trying to get an "english core" at united for some reason. Which no other club tries to do. After overpaying for the likes of Maguire and AWB (I think Sancho will come good). We've ditched that. We then went out and did what you said and got the likes of Diallo (who was massively rated) and i think has been extremely impressive for his age and looks a better prospect than Elanga for me. We also went and signed Pellistri.
Now instead of integrating those players we've barely give Diallo a chance and he's now being loaned out, Pellistri hasn't been near the first team and is on a constant series of loans and i fully expect him to be sold. It's really rather odd, we don't seem to know what we want, who we want or even why we want, who we want.
Some say he's a Mourinho signing which is quite ironic considering that Mou left because he wasn't backed in the market. It seems that everyone has a finger in the pie these days (the CEO, Judge, Murtough, Fletcher, the manager and in the future Rangnick as well) which makes you wonder whether that's true or is it more of an attempt to distribute blame on as many people as possible thus keeping no one accountable for it. Whatever it is, United's transfer strategy is a mess. We usually go for obvious signings or players the manager can't be bothered playing, we tend to overspend and we're so damn slow (it might have taken us 2 summer transfer windows to sign Sancho and Maguire). Its baffling that we keep promoting people from within considering that they were either involved in this mess in the first place or are too inexperienced for the job.Well this isn't something we can be sure of. However, when we signed Wan Bissaka I remember reading stuff (that looked like it'd been briefed) that the club had gone through 800 right backs to decide on Wan-Bissaka. So it certainly looks like it was more than Ole's decision.
We know the Maguire interest predates Ole cos it was talked about under Jose.
Now we're reading that the club is only interested in going for 'club targets' like Bellingham and Rice, rather than Rangnick suggestions. So I think, even if the coach has an input, its not as clear cut as the manager saying give me X and X comes in.
PS) That's not me saying that Ole didn't want these players. I'm sure that he was pretty enthusiastic about them cos he played them lots. However, did he identify them himself? Dunno. We know Ole brought in a personal scout. I'm guessing to double check on the options being presented to him by the club?
He was the Phil Jones of his time. Very good defender, too injury prone.Wes was so good he couldn’t get a game in his natural position. Was injury prone and sure as heck had an error in him. But was a tank of a defender and someone you’d go into battle with, something I can’t say of any of our current defenders.
1v1 defending is one of the most critical jobs of a CB, so even if he just compared to the two based on that it's pretty damning that our current primary CB is incapable of performing one of the most basic things in defending. It's been highlighted the whole time and is a pretty huge limitation to have, similar to a striker like Lukaku having shite first touch and technique. You can't hide a weakness like that in today's game.No he isn't. He was asked to compare Maguire and Brown and said that Brown was better at defending 1v1's because he was faster and stronger. There's not even a quote from Stam in the article saying that Brown was better.
No place for sensible comments in hereMaguire is a very good player having a bad season. Controversial I know.
It’s the Mail though… basically the Sun with a posher font.Hardly SLAMMING him.