British Transport Police aka railway cops. Same powers as regular police but normally only on railway property.
Police would never react that way. It's not how things are done here.
Police would never react that way. It's not how things are done here.
Properly police? Have you seen videos of your cops arresting someone? They "police" like the three stooges. It's like comedy when watching them trying to apprehend someone.
What else can they do? Ask him politely?
They call the authorities and leave it to them
I know this is going to sound like a complete over reaction but.... I just can't shake the feeling that we don't have any leaders/tough guys in our team. I kind of long for the days when we had a Keane/Robson type. Zlatan would have probably delt with this guy, even the likes Rio and Vidic. I just kinda feeling Pogba dancing in the background on his phone kind of typifies this team.
I know, I know "comes on ffs it's just a guy with a mobile phone". Just how I feel!
I know, I know "comes on ffs it's just a guy with a mobile phone". Just how I feel!
Yeah ok
What did you want Pogba to do? Push him on the tracks? In camera happy 2018 its better they keep their heads down and let the people employed to deal with it, deal with it.
To be fair in this day and age footballers can get into trouble if they react badly or cause a scene, the safest thing for them to do is to ignore it and wait for security to deal with it. Can you imagine the backlash if a player swore at him, knocked the phone out of his hand and caused it to break? Last thing this team needs is more negative media attention.
The guy recording was clearly there to get a reaction out of them, probably so he could sell the footage to the media. Unfortunately for him all it did was make him look like an utter tit.
Was waiting to see who would use this as a means to knock the team, bravo.
This yearning for 'tough guys' to go sort him out is a little bit crass. Personally, I'd rather the players not rise to it than have some hard man go and get the guy in a headlock or something.
Whether you think we 'lack leaders' is irrelevant to this situation. It's the remit of our star/senior players to lead on the pitch. Assaulting gobshites at a train station shouldn't really fall under the responsibilities of the captain, or anyone in this team.
If Tony Valencia went over and chinned the guy, that brings an enormous amount of negative PR. The players ignoring him and the police moving him on makes the man in question look foolish, and nobody else. For me, there is no issue in how United dealt with this.
Whether you think we 'lack leaders' is irrelevant to this situation. It's the remit of our star/senior players to lead on the pitch. Assaulting gobshites at a train station shouldn't really fall under the responsibilities of the captain, or anyone in this team.
If Tony Valencia went over and chinned the guy, that brings an enormous amount of negative PR. The players ignoring him and the police moving him on makes the man in question look foolish, and nobody else. For me, there is no issue in how United dealt with this.
Train is the quickest way back from London -you can be in 2hours 10 minutes with no faffing about in security / baggage reclaim etc. Makes total sense.
I once met Robin van Persie on the train down to London in the first class carriage, was a really nice guy with a lovely family. He was off down to London to do some promo work for a release of FIFA game.
I once met Robin van Persie on the train down to London in the first class carriage, was a really nice guy with a lovely family. He was off down to London to do some promo work for a release of FIFA game.
Do you think the Class of '92 formed such a close bond by being tough guy leaders who didn't have personalities, or didn't enjoy themselves in public?
Further to the point, did you watch the video chronicles that Rio, Evra & Park used to engage in, in 2009-2013? The whole team was full of jokers!
Get over yourself.
It's actually disgusting to hear the guy constantly swearing.
On a side note, was in Fulham the other day, and the amount of drunk Chelsea fans was nauseating. I don't understand how people "enjoy" their lives if a night out for a lot of people is just to act like a wanker.
On a side note, was in Fulham the other day, and the amount of drunk Chelsea fans was nauseating. I don't understand how people "enjoy" their lives if a night out for a lot of people is just to act like a wanker.
The guy is right. He'd got every legal right to stand on that platform. Virgin trains and transport police had no right to be moving him away.
What a tool, “all I’m doing is putting a camera in their face”
I can probably find a cheaper flight to London than I can by train. Trains are ridiculously expensive. Doing our bit for global warming as well.
I can probably find a cheaper flight to London than I can by train. Trains are ridiculously expensive. Doing our bit for global warming as well.
The guy on that phone confirmed here
The problem is that he is acting like a right knob. They had, literally, every right to move him along.
Yes a Man United player fighting with a guy with a camera is exactly what we need right now.
Acting like a right knob isn't illegal, as far as I know.
People with no authority to do so told him it was a private platform and he had to leave. He quite rightly told them to do one, and I would have done the same. And then the police got involved and incorrectly applied the law. You could say he was disturbing the peace I suppose, but in fact it was them that were doing so. He was asking them not to talk to him. Technically they were the ones who should have been moved on.
Not saying he wasn't a bellend. But it was a public space.
They were always great. Love the one where Rio and Evra catch Anderson eating crisps in the dark.
Do you think the Class of '92 formed such a close bond by being tough guy leaders who didn't have personalities, or didn't enjoy themselves in public?
Further to the point, did you watch the video chronicles that Rio, Evra & Park used to engage in, in 2009-2013? The whole team was full of jokers!
Get over yourself.
"He's at it again, man!"
Back in my day Billy Meredith would have thrown him on the tracks just as the train was approaching.
Exactly! The whole team had varying personalities and loved to play up to the camera.
Some people would have you believe our title winning teams were full of 'men' who didn't get hairstyles, or dance, or do anything beyond their perception of what it means to be a rugged masculine footballer
A privately owned platform?
You have obviously seen a video on youtube which qualifies you to judge the whole of the UKs police forces.
There's no such thing, except in as much as Network Rail owns the whole station. If they put a sign up saying private property on the platform, then the police could construe trespass. But they didn't so they couldn't. And Virgin Rail certainly don't own the platform, just the train, so they've no business saying anything. And nor do the British Transport Police.
Train Stations are not public spaces. They are private property, which you are permitted to use based on particular criteria. Holding a valid ticket is the main one, obviously. Yet a valid ticket doesn't mean you can go wherever you please within the premises, certainly not onto a platform that has been designated for private use, and not expect to be moved on.
The operators do not own the station, but they are granted authority over platforms where their arrivals and departures occur. Bigger operators tend to use the same platforms all the time, so in a lot of cases, Virgin platforms are always the same. Their platforms are their remit during the time that an arrival or departure is due. If they decide a part of the platform is for private use, they can do so, as per being given the remit of the use of private property.
Also, you need to have the permission of Network Rail to film anything in a train station, so, private platform or not, he's still in the wrong (unless he was granted that permission, which I am going to assume he wasn't). And he's sticking the camera in the faces of people who clearly don't want it there, as clearly demonstrated by Fellaini's reaction. When he is spoken to reasonably, he erupts and acts unruly and uses profanity. He is the one breaching the peace first and foremost. He's no way in the right, for a number of reasons.
They are of course public spaces in the sense that the public are allowed there, albeit under certain circumstance which you correctly identify. It is also therefore true that a platform could be designated private, but there's no evidence that this was the case in this situation, other than someone randomly saying so. I'm not sure it's true that train operators have any authority over the platforms though.
You are correct about the filming though. However the correct remedy would be to ask them to stop filming, if indeed you had the authority of the property owner to do so.
Guy's a prime tit but if you use public transport you're going to meet the public.
It's really something to see just how much purported fans seem to hate their own squad
Now they're really getting stick for not assaulting a member of the public on a train station platform
They show videos of British police dealing with armed criminals to the Americans to show them how you’re supposed to do it without just whipping out a taser or gun.
He's committing offences under the public order act so the cops can use reasonable force to move him on and/or arrest him (S3 criminal law act prevent and detect crime).
Common sense prevailed and the fool was helped on his way.
That lady and the other bloke escorting our team are both cringeworthy
Just doing their job to take care of the players.
He'd watched too many of those videos where weirdo Americans hang around airports filming everything, hoping that the police or security will kick off with them so they can then start flapping about how they have the right to do it under the constitution.
What would you have them do? Pretty obviously to me they were doing their job in a difficult situation. Some people are obnoxious twits and think they're not doing anything wrong and nothing you can say it them will change their behaviour. Delay the guy until the authorities turned up was exactly what they should have done and that's what they did.
Which offence do you think he committed?
S5 POA. The moment he's disorderly, shouting, swearing and behaving in a manner likely to cause alarm, harassment and distress.
With respect to your profession there is actually. The station is private property and the Railways Regulation Act of 1840 makes it a criminal offence to 'refuse to leave when asked to do so by any officer or agent of the railway company'. In practice staff follow these guidelines: https://www.networkrail.co.uk/commu...lway-enthusiasts-and-photography-at-stations/.
For those unaware the British Transport Police are the same as any other force, they just have a different geographical area. Other forces are usually referred to as the 'County Police'. The BTP actually claim to be the oldest police force and were originally formed to combat dockyard crime and theft.
Interesting. We rarely deal with railway bylaws so did think there might be something they could use. They know the railway legislation much better than us as it's their bag.
Thanks for sharing!
The world is becoming more and more like a Black Mirror episode. Every fecker trying to get their 2 seconds of fame filming themselves being a bellend.
Because someone without authority to do so is illegally trying to move him on. He was fine until then.