Man United to chase Tyler Dibling if they win Europa League

Cassidy said:
Mount has not played anywhere regularly for us. Also we’ll be letting go plenty of attackers in Sancho, Antony and Rashford. I very much doubt we sign only 1 player in that position
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Those 3 are almost certainly leaving. I agree Mount can't be relied upon. But unless we're selling 2 or even 3 of the 6 players I listed I can't see us signing 2 no10s personally.

I could be wrong but I don't imagine we have a huge budget this summer. If Cunha is happening and a decent striker will cost £50-60m that'll probably account for the majority of our business.
 
stevoc said:
Those 3 are almost certainly leaving. I agree Mount can't be relied upon. But unless we're selling 2 or even 3 of the 6 players I listed I can't see us signing 2 no10s personally.

I could be wrong but I don't imagine we have a huge budget this summer. If Cunha is happening and a decent striker will cost £50-60m that'll probably account for the majority of our business.
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We have let go of so many attackers over the past 3 or 4 years and barely replaced them, we should be signing at least 3 across the striker and 10 positions. I would like to see us be aggressive and decisive in the market, with some good squad planning as opposed to bare bones as we have been doing.
 
Fast, dribbling touchline wingers no longer have a place at United.
 
He's not ready. We've enough players 3 or 4 years from their prime.

We need guys who are already there or on the cusp of being at their best.
 
Tarrou said:
those qualities don't exclude players at all really

Amad can do it and he has a place at RB and 10
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Amad is not a natural touchline wingers. Even before we moved to this system, there was I think an agreement that Amad was beat suited more inside than outside. Similarly to Sancho. Both players long mooted as better suited to being 10s. Nobody ever said that about Garnacho though, or Rashford. They are wingers, and found themselves displaced immediately. Garnacho has found himself back in the team eventually, largely out of necessity I would suggest, and rumours of his suitability and him being for sale still persist.

And Amad absolutely is not a RB, I suspect he’d hand in a transfer request tomorrow if that is what we plan to do with him. No top winger will join us to play RB, or wing-back. I think with just 9s and 10s, we will lack raw transitional pace in attack, given that we now do not play with a 7 or 11.
 
Rozay said:
Amad is not a natural touchline wingers. Even before we moved to this system, there was I think an agreement that Amad was beat suited more inside than outside. Similarly to Sancho. Both players long mooted as better suited to being 10s. Nobody ever said that about Garnacho though, or Rashford. They are wingers, and found themselves displaced immediately. Garnacho has found himself back in the team eventually, largely out of necessity I would suggest, and rumours of his suitability and him being for sale still persist.

And Amad absolutely is not a RB, I suspect he’d hand in a transfer request tomorrow if that is what we plan to do with him. No top winger will join us to play RB, or wing-back. I think with just 9s and 10s, we will lack raw transitional pace in attack, given that we now do not play with a 7 or 11.
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okay, you've ignored point which is those qualities don't exclude players

Dibling sometimes plays attacking midfield or forward, for example, and as someone else mentioned probably has the stamina to play right wing back too
 
Tarrou said:
okay, you've ignored point which is those qualities don't exclude players

Dibling sometimes plays attacking midfield or forward, for example, and as someone else mentioned probably has the stamina to play right wing back too
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You ignored my entire statement which said ‘fast, dribbling , touchline wingers’. You citing a player who is better suited inside than outside doesn’t contradict that. Outside players tend to be faster than inside ones, as the skillets required for both differ.

Also, we’ll see if Dibling has any interest at all at coning here to be developed as a wing-back if he has other options.
 
Rozay said:
You ignored my entire statement which said ‘fast, dribbling , touchline wingers’. You citing a player who is better suited inside than outside doesn’t contradict that. Outside players tend to be faster than inside ones, as the skillets required for both differ.

Also, we’ll see if Dibling has any interest at all at coning here to be developed as a wing-back if he has other options.
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I didn't ignore it mate. I directly responded to it, which is why we're having this conversation.
 
A lot of hype with this guy, not seen it yet.

Don’t think he’s as good a footballer as Amad.

Better footballers are what we need
 
Tarrou said:
I didn't ignore it mate. I directly responded to it, which is why we're having this conversation.
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You didn’t respond to my reference of touchline wingers, which I think was an important distinction. I don’t see them as having the same qualities as 10s. The ability to go outside and the ability to go inside are very different.

Cunha, for example, would not be good going outside, and Amad is significantly better going inside too.
 
I'm actually not a fan of this signing. We need players that can improve us now, my concern is we're going to have too many learning their trade, as we've seen with the likes of Garnacho and Hoijlund. What's more, it's not like he's generational talent, he's not even starting for southampton which would suggest he's no where near ready to be starting for us. He's only played a full 90 mins 6 games this season.
 
Rozay said:
You didn’t respond to my reference of touchline wingers, which I think was an important distinction.
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okay, I can see this is going absolutely no where

my original response was a direct response to that, and i think it's very obvious that it was, and now you're just trying to "win" an argument, which isn't even an argument at all.. but rather, someone trying to have a discussion with you about the qualities this lad could bring to the club
 
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iHicksy said:
I'm actually not a fan of this signing. We need players that can improve us now, my concern is we're going to have too many learning their trade, as we've seen with the likes of Garnacho and Hoijlund. What's more, it's not like he's generational talent, he's not even starting for southampton which would suggest he's no where near ready to be starting for us. He's only played a full 90 mins 6 games this season.
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Yeah I have to agree really, having given it some thought. I felt the same about Quenda, but was still quite excited by the prospect of us getting him.

Unless he's very cheap for some reason
 
If he was a bargain buy then great! But spending a large sum of the transfer kitty on him just looks like a crazy idea considering the overall state of the squad.
 
Tarrou said:
okay, I can see this is going absolutely no where

my original response was a direct response to that, and i think it's very obvious that it was, and now you're just trying to "win" an argument, which isn't even an argument at all.. but rather, someone trying to have a discussion with you about the qualities this lad could bring to the club
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You’ve created this scenario in your head, but as you were.
 
He will turn into Grealish in the coming years and we will be scratching our head why we didn't sign him for cheap. Sure it's a gamble regarding our squad building situation but it's not like we are signing an academy player, he played a lot of men's football this season in the EPL and can develop pretty fast. He's built well and if his fitness record is good, he can already be a player in 2 seasons while capable the next year with proper preseason under a new coach.
 
Rozay said:
You’ve created this scenario in your head, but as you were.
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sure, okay, I’m not going to ignore that false statement

after five responses you’ve been unable to respond to my point or engage with me in any meaningful debate and wasted my time and yours too

In the…. Tyler Dibling thread

instead argued and obfuscated and done everything to avoid responding to a very very basic point.. each time creating more annoyance and frustration at having to deal with you

I’ll keep responding and telling you how toxic you are if you keep doing it too. If I don’t hold poor behavior to account no one else will do it for me
 
These Dibling and Delap type signings should only be add-ons for the future, and not our main signings to fix their respective positions. We will not move forward and improve our results sufficiently without signing players that are ready to step in from day and do the job.
 
There’s no way I can look past his lack of productivity. He’s a huge gamble and we can’t be doing gambles in our current state.
 
Tarrou said:
those qualities don't exclude players at all really

Amad can do it and he has a place at RB and 10
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Amad really isn't a touchline player though, he's more a technical player who can play wide if needed.
 
Hammondo said:
Amad really isn't a touchline player though, he's more a technical player who can play wide if needed.
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yes you are correct, but he has those qualities

loads of players have them who don't operate there typically, like Messi, or Ronaldo, who are even more valuable in other areas of the pitch. Therefore it's illogical to exclude players if they have them

I even remember an interview with Amorim where he specifically talked about Amad having those qualities, and also highlighting how his foot-speed and technique made it possible for him to hold the width (and play wing back) on his weaker side too, making him even more useful for the squad

we still need the qualities in the squad, because we still need width, but just not in the way they are typically used

does that make sense? If we were talking about a lad who only ever played there, I'd agree. But this lad has been moved around, and just from watching him you can see he has many strong facets to his game for a player of his age and experience
 
Tarrou said:
yes you are correct, but he has those qualities

loads of players have them who don't operate there typically, like Messi, or Ronaldo, who are even more valuable in other areas of the pitch. Therefore it's illogical to exclude players if they have them

I even remember an interview with Amorim where he specifically talked about Amad having those qualities, and also highlighting how his foot-speed and technique made it possible for him to hold the width (and play wing back) on his weaker side too, making him even more useful for the squad

we still need the qualities in the squad, because we still need width, but just not in the way they are typically used

does that make sense?
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100 percent. It's why united players often get mislabeled, just because they are the best at something at United doesn't mean that's the best role for them, or that they are even good at it.
 
Tarrou said:
sure, okay, I’m not going to ignore that false statement

after five responses you’ve been unable to respond to my point or engage with me in any meaningful debate and wasted my time and yours too

In the…. Tyler Dibling thread

instead argued and obfuscated and done everything to avoid responding to a very very basic point.. each time creating more annoyance and frustration at having to deal with you

I’ll keep responding and telling you how toxic you are if you keep doing it too. If I don’t hold poor behavior to account no one else will do it for me
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Oh shut up man, get over yourself. We have two different definitions of something and here you are on a stupid tangent talking shit. My position has been simple. Fast touchline wingers, wingers who offer great transitional threat on and off the ball are now difficult to fit into our team. If you feel that a particular player fits this description that I do not feel fits this description, then that’s simply all it is. The rest of what you are saying is just an over-opinionated projection of your perceived superiority, when all we have here is a simple disagreement.
 
Rozay said:
Oh shut up man, get over yourself. We have two different definitions of something and here you are on a stupid tangent talking shit. My position has been simple. Fast touchline wingers, wingers who offer great transitional threat on and off the ball are now difficult to fit into our team. If you feel that a particular player fits this description that I do not feel fits this description, then that’s simply all it is. The rest of what you are saying is just an over-opinionated projection of your perceived superiority, when all we have here is a simple disagreement.
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I know I said I'd keep holding your toxic behaviour to account, but I was actually lying. I just said it in the feint hope that you wouldn't react aggressively to a mirror being held up to your face. I did that because I know I'm unable to not react to shitty behaviour due to decades of unconscious wiring, and my own shit.

Anyway, I apologise for that, and for triggering you so badly. My actual response to repeated toxicity and complete lack of self-awareness, is to cut those people and things out of my life. All the best.
 
Hammondo said:
100 percent. It's why united players often get mislabeled, just because they are the best at something at United doesn't mean that's the best role for them, or that they are even good at it.
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yeah, to be honest as a fan-base we're probably all a bit lost by the events of the last decade, coming after decades of success
 
Dibling is coming to be our RWB, not our RAM.

He will play Quenda's position as a left footed RWB/RW.

Quenda has 2 goals and 4 assists for Sporting Lisbon in the Portugal league.

Dibling has 2 goals for bloody Southampton in the Premier League :lol:

Quenda cost 44million and Dibling is rumoured to be lower than that.

We are not buying wingbacks to play like Inter Milan every days of the week - when we want to attack we will have wingers capable of playing in a wingbacks positions instead which is a slight but noticeable difference.

Amorim has even experiments with Amad & Antony at wingbacks in his first 3 months in charge to show that he is looking for someone of that mould.

Dibling is going to be our RWB.
 
Lash said:
I like him, he should not be a big money signing though. Did he not have issues with pressure just moving to Chelsea? Can't imagine being a big money signing for United would do his mental health any favours.
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He moved to Chelsea during covid restrictions and wasn't able to train with his teammates as per the below BBC Snippet:

He was unable to play and train with his new team-mates as Chelsea abided by the Premier League's five-step review process, an investigation used during transfers for academy players before they can be registered to ensure everything is above board with the move.

While his new team-mates went to win a pre-season tournament in Germany in the summer of 2022, strengthening their bond, Dibling was training alone with a coach.

That isolation was a large reason for him struggling to settle and the clubs were still in negotiations over a fee when Dibling made his desire to return to Southampton clear after just six weeks.
Patchbeard said:
He looked really promising early in the season but maybe opposition then wised up and he's been more tightly marked and struggled to make much impact really for awhile, and then has been benched quite a bit. Also, to give him some benefit of the doubt he may be struggling in the new managers style of play, which seems pretty non existent, whereas at least Russell Martin had a style of play, albeit very naive.

As another poster said he would benefit from playing regularly in the Championship, ideally under a new manager. Signing him would only make some semblance of sense if he has a reasonable relegation release clause, and then loaning him back would probably actually be the best option for the player. That would at least be more sensible than waiting for him to potentially explode and then costing a bucket load more.
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He was in the team regularly until he played at Old Trafford, where he was the best player on the pitch, looked like the only player who was of United quality on both teams.

He terrorised Martinez and was unlucky not to score, was close on 2 attempts looked like they were in from the Stretford end, he then got injured and was out for a few month and due to there fate being sealed months ago, he has been drip fed back into the team, somebody will sign him this summer as he has 2 years left on his deal and his value is at it's highest.

I feel he is going to be a great talent, fast, quick dribbler, press resistant and creates chances, he stood out massively in this team, I know they are one of the worst PL teams ever, but young players normally get dragged down by this, he hasn't, shows more about his character than anything else.
 
MCDC said:
He moved to Chelsea during covid restrictions and wasn't able to train with his teammates as per the below BBC Snippet:

He was unable to play and train with his new team-mates as Chelsea abided by the Premier League's five-step review process, an investigation used during transfers for academy players before they can be registered to ensure everything is above board with the move.

While his new team-mates went to win a pre-season tournament in Germany in the summer of 2022, strengthening their bond, Dibling was training alone with a coach.

That isolation was a large reason for him struggling to settle and the clubs were still in negotiations over a fee when Dibling made his desire to return to Southampton clear after just six weeks.

He was in the team regularly until he played at Old Trafford, where he was the best player on the pitch, looked like the only player who was of United quality on both teams.

He terrorised Martinez and was unlucky not to score, was close on 2 attempts looked like they were in from the Stretford end, he then got injured and was out for a few month and due to there fate being sealed months ago, he has been drip fed back into the team, somebody will sign him this summer as he has 2 years left on his deal and his value is at it's highest.

I feel he is going to be a great talent, fast, quick dribbler, press resistant and creates chances, he stood out massively in this team, I know they are one of the worst PL teams ever, but young players normally get dragged down by this, he hasn't, shows more about his character than anything else.
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Thank you for the context, that would be pretty tough. Hopefully that hasn't affected him too much, seems like it hasn't too much with Southampton at least.
 
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