To be fair you could, ministers normally have 0 experience in any role. Chancellors don't even need to of been accountants etc.Andy Mitten knows the club really well so his quote about experienced DoFs being told "no thanks" is really worrying. As for Darren Fletcher - it might as well be Darren Ferguson. It's like saying I've driven a car for 30+ years so I can immediately become head of a driving school of even Minister for Transport. We need someone who knows how to do the job, not someone who knows the club, we've already taken the risk of appointing a manager on those grounds. If we want to further highlight the gap between us and City then you need to look no further than the gap between Txiki and Darren Fletcher
Given the way the club is run these days, zero sense is the go-to policy... and I did wonder about that politician thing after I posted!To be fair you could, ministers normally have 0 experience in any role. Chancellors don't even need to of been accountants etc.
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I don't get this Darren Fletcher thing, I don't see one thing which would give him the right to have any say on our transfer policy. He hasn't even coached has he?
I just don't understand why we are so against bringing in a world class DOF who is qualified for the role, it just make zero sense.
We’re not recruiting for a DOF that’s why it’s going to be Fletcher. The club don’t want someone to come and start taking over responsibility which is what the top guy would do. They want someone to just offer another opinion, if we appointed someone like Monchi he’d be gone within months because he’d be wasting his time.To be fair you could, ministers normally have 0 experience in any role. Chancellors don't even need to of been accountants etc.
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I don't get this Darren Fletcher thing, I don't see one thing which would give him the right to have any say on our transfer policy. He hasn't even coached has he?
I just don't understand why we are so against bringing in a world class DOF who is qualified for the role, it just make zero sense.
That's the way I see it too, we can't give the job to only one person as there's too much to take on. With a committee approach it's more structured, not only just on transfers but the youth setup benefits also as Butt will put names forward he feels are ready to make the step up, this gives a clearer path to the first team for our youth players.We're setting up a committee which has been said plenty of times. One person won't be allowed to have too much control as its sub optimal, you hire the wrong person and you're still fecked.
The hire will sit on the committee
Why would the scouts report to Woodward when it's been clear that the managers have been very involved in the transfers?That's the way I see it too, we can't give the job to only one person as there's too much to take on. With a committee approach it's more structured, not only just on transfers but the youth setup benefits also as Butt will put names forward he feels are ready to make the step up, this gives a clearer path to the first team for our youth players.
Our scouting range will also benefit with a committee approach, their findings will be listened to by a full committee, not just Ed Woodward. For all we know, in the past unearthed gems will have been put forward to Ed but vetoed straight away as they're not a marquee name, this will change as our transfer strategy will change also, everyone will benefit from it as the plan and structure will be more clearer.
Managers have never had full in transfers under Woodward, look at Maguire, Perisic etcWhy would the scouts report to Woodward when it's been clear that the managers have been very involved in the transfers?
Seems like it's most a case of the problems between Woodward and Mourinho during Jose's later days with us.Managers have never had full in transfers under Woodward, look at Maguire, Perisic etc
I'd say that arrow wasn't too far from the gold.Been way over 12 months since this story came out. Do you reckon it was Woodward PR? To cover up for his failings and deflect blame?
I wonder who will chair said committee? Answers on the back of a tenner please.So the narrative changed from "we are going to perform a thorough process to identify the ideal DoF candidate" to "we are going to appoint someone with knowledge of the club to have a role on a transfer committee."
More or less, yes, apparently. Presumably whatever we have today, plus an ex player to oversee things.So the narrative changed from "we are going to perform a thorough process to identify the ideal DoF candidate" to "we are going to appoint someone with knowledge of the club to have a role on a transfer committee."
Can you elaborate the likely scenario in that case ?And from all the rumors that are leaking out of the club, we are going for a committee approach to recruitment as opposed to having one man with all the power.
The problem is that a committee approach typically is a clusterfeck of compromises.
However, if we gave all the power to one person, it would be an even bigger disaster if we gave it to the wrong person.
It's a difficult compromise, really. I don't know what to think right now.
We already have a committee as it is. We've got head scouts from when Fergie was there and Van Gaal brought his in as well. These two get sent off to scout the managers targets and come back reporting whether or not they're good enough to play for United.And from all the rumors that are leaking out of the club, we are going for a committee approach to recruitment as opposed to having one man with all the power.
The problem is that a committee approach typically is a clusterfeck of compromises.
However, if we gave all the power to one person, it would be an even bigger disaster if we gave it to the wrong person.
It's a difficult compromise, really. I don't know what to think right now.
According to the Daily ExpressJohn Murtagh's name popping up again: https://www.manchestereveningnews.c.../man-united-woodward-transfer-gossip-16297831
Imagine making a soup. and we have 2 chefs. One thinks it needs a lot more salt. The other thinks it needs a lot more pepper. So they compromise and put only a bit of salt and only a bit of pepper. So we end up with a half baked soup that is neither salty enough nor spicy enough.Can you elaborate the likely scenario in that case ?
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Agreed. It is likely the end result we will get is we will have whatever we have today, plus an additional director to own the process. Not the decision.We already have a committee as it is. We've got head scouts from when Fergie was there and Van Gaal brought his in as well. These two get sent off to scout the managers targets and come back reporting whether or not they're good enough to play for United.
We had a situation last season where they both came back and one informed Woodward that the player was good enough, and one informed him the player wasn't good enough, which led to a total impasse and more scouts had to be involved bringing the total number up to about 6 different people all deciding on if the club should buy a player the manager wanted.
Our DoF is just probably going to be the third person in all this and the organiser, I doubt they'll even get the final say.
Agreed. Woodward is a politician.One thing is, the likes of Woodward are very sensitive to public opinion and to social media. They feel they can influence the narrative, but they also fear the tide turning. Keep that in mind.
Depressing stuff, this club has so little ambition it's pitiful. Woodward is killing us.Tweet
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Mitten knows a thing or two.. Woodward will not relinquish control. It seems very much an ego thing.
Window has started, yet here man united is still discussing what is the structure going to be. Classic Woodward. Pathetic.Tweet
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Mitten knows a thing or two.. Woodward will not relinquish control. It seems very much an ego thing.
I’d rather him get it right and we don’t have a fecking dreadful recruitment processThis really is Ed's last chance with the fans...I hope. He gets this decision wrong, he really should be on the way out.
The Glazers couldn't care less about this.This really is Ed's last chance with the fans...I hope. He gets this decision wrong, he really should be on the way out.
Arsenal and Chelsea both are taking a long time in getting their roles filled as well.I think that I mentioned it earlier in the thread but Lyon started their search for a DOF earlier than United and only found their man this week in Juninho.
The fecking state of them to appoint an ex-player as the DOF.I think that I mentioned it earlier in the thread but Lyon started their search for a DOF earlier than United and only found their man this week in Juninho.
