Man Utd set to appoint Director of Football (when hell freezes over)

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  1. Sep 10, 2019

    sunama Baghdad Bob

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    If VDS is signed up, I will look out of my window to finally see pgs fly.

    It really does shock me that posters on here have not learned their lesson.
    This is the equivalent of a wife who repeatedly cheats on her husband, but the husband keeps forgiving her and believes her when she says she won't cheat again.

    The thread title explains perfectly, my position on the DoF role. And let's not forget that bringing in a DoF, does not necessarily mean that we will achieve success. We could hire somebody and 10 years late, still be finishing 6th in the league.
    Now, if Woodward were to relieved of his footballing duties, I think we could see real progress.
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    When it states give up his power on signing players. That has to just be the final say on transfer fees for said player X. Which is quite normal. He’d be the middle man between the Glazers and releasing the cash.
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    TrueRed79 Full Member

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    Like VDS will leave a position of power to work under someone like Woodward. Definitely not happening.
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    Mainoldo Full Member

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    He works for Ajax not Juventus. The only reason he’s turning us down is because of commute.
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    Ikon Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    DoF role is actually a demotion on the CEO that he currently has, added to that, United are apparently not looking to offer a full DoF role, merely a go-between and advisor.
    Which explains why we've only been linked with ex-players with no experience of a DoF role....:rolleyes:
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    Bloedrood Full Member

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    I remember Van der Sar being asked about becoming DoF at United some months ago on Dutch tv, and saying he's not interested. That Overmars just extended for 5 years, and that together they're committed to the club long term, want to win many prizes with the club and make the club future proof. The amount of work they've done these last years at Ajax is pretty incredible, especially from a financial standpoint. And they have so much money coming in now, it's time for them to reap what they have sown. He invested years in learning the CEO role at Ajax just so he could take over, would be surprised if he left that already.

    From Manchester United's side it also does not make a lot of sense to me to get Van der Sar for the DoF role, when it's primarily Overmars who has handled transfers and is responsible for the technical side of things at Ajax.
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    Alabaster Codify7 Full Member

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    I still don't believe a word of this.

    We've just picked up 2pts out of 9, in supposedly winnable games. One of our new signings appears to be injured already and Ashley Young is back in the starting 11.

    The club is leaking 'positive news' again, it seems.
  8. Sep 11, 2019

    Waynne New Member

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    Sooner or later this card will also be overplayed and the fans will see this BS for what it really is.
    I for one hope the club tries to keep playing this card only for the fans to start to take notice of the nonsense.
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    Adnan Full Member

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    Fixed that for you mate..:D
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    DavidDeSchmikes Full Member

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    haram Full Member

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    We are not hiring a DOF.
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    pascell Full Member

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    Anyone have a translation?
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    red thru&thru Full Member

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    He speaks in English.
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    Cnaiür urs Skiötha Full Member

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    I do not really get the idea. What we would need is a manager with enough power and skills to more or less build his own team from scratch.
    What exactly would a DoF add?
    With Klopp and Guardiola out of reach I think Tuchel might be a good candidate for such a job.
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    pascell Full Member

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    So he does, thank you, I'm at work so couldn't play it.
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    Bloedrood Full Member

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    It's funny, because City have Guardiola because of their DoF. Both Klopp and Guardiola prefer working with a DoF or sporting director, like they have been at their current and previous clubs.

    Football clubs have become massive nowadays, especially a club the size of Man United. Making it increasingly difficult for a manager to focus on running the first team, and also guarding club cohesion and developing football policy throughout the rest of the club. All the staff, contracts, scouting, transfers, agents. Managers don't want to deal with that on a consistent basis, it takes away the focus from the first team performance. And who would you rather that hired the manager, head of academy, or head scout? A DoF who understands football and the club, or someone like Ed Woodward who has a bussiness background? One thing that's very clear from the past 4 United managers, the club has no consistent direction or vision. You expect a manager to give that to a club? Managers in modern football are passengers, rarely stick around longer than a few years.
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    clarkydaz Full Member

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    translates as the club once again are bluffing over a serious DOF
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    pascell Full Member

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    Absolutely. Took it with a pinch of salt but Ogden reported saying we've turned down advances from a lot of very respected sporting directors in 2019, same sh*t different year, heard the same last year.
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    jackal&hyde Full Member

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    VDS would be great.
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    Why not just fix the structure of the footballing side of things by bringing in BOTH of Van Der Sar and Overmars and give them the EXACT job for us that they do at Ajax ?

    I’m all for Van Der Sar coming in but his current role is NOT as a Director Of Football or Technical Director or Sporting Director which is the role Overmars has, I know Overmars is ex Arsenal but he’s not an Arsenal through and through type who’d turn us down because he’s ex Arsenal.

    As a duo Van Der Sar and Overmars have transformed Ajax and overseen a huge group of highly talented young players come through or recruited like De Jong, De Ligt, Ziyech, Gravenberch, Van De Beek, Neres and Onana whilst Sanchez and Kluivert also came through as well.

    Bringing both in would effectively (or hopefully) mean Woodward having zero need to be involved in anything at all on the on pitch side of things other than giving the green light on deals that Van Der Sar and Overmars have decided on. Solskjær or whoever is in charge (Pocchettino ?) can concentrate on things on the pitch and in training, Van Der Sar and Overmars focus on recruitment and scouting targets to fit a certain tactic and profile and Woodward seals commercial deals with whoever he wants that brings in money.
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    Mark Pawelek Full Member

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    Why Manchester United have not appointed Edwin van der Sar as technical director

    Edwin van der Sar has flirted with the prospect of returning to Man Utd as a technical director but there are steep obstacles.
    By Samuel Luckhurst

    The trouble is the technical director remit at United has hitherto been off-putting for credible candidates. One tasked an intermediary to speak with the club and gauge their plans for the post only to discover they would chair a committee, likely made up of former players, who would recommend transfer targets and take decisions on current players’ futures.

    The shortlist would then be submitted to Woodward and head of corporate development Matt Judge, who would have the final say. A source connected with said candidate said: "It may explain why anyone with any credibility has walked away from the role." Another applicant was interviewed by the club, only for United to insist he was never in the running.

    Woodward would not relish handling another authoritative figure who might challenge him after his experiences with Louis van Gaal and Jose Mourinho. Van der Sar has been described as - and it is a compliment - difficult and, like most Dutch footballers past and present, arrogant.​
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    Judas Open to offers

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    We're fecked, aren't we?
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    ReallyUSA New Member

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    At least I have memories
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    ArjenIsM3 Full Member

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    You're only now realising this?
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    NJM78 Full Member

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    This club eh?
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    AFC NimbleThumb Full Member

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    If that story is true [I take everything written by ‘journalists’ with a pinch of salt] then I’m struggling to get any kind of perspective on Woodward.

    At this point surely he’d just have hired a patsy to take the blame instead of himself.

    Somethings afoot for the club, it just feels like the Glazers are bleeding the last drops before an exit.
  27. Sep 13, 2019

    FootyGirl88

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    This why the Glazers/Woodward need to go, they haven't got a clue.
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    roonster09 Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018 Scout

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    Would be so good if VDS returns and heads the football operations. Dream would be him heading the football operations and VDS appointing suitable DoF and other roles like people who leads the academy.

    It will like head of various verticals reporting to VDS. Won't happen though.
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    LuisNaniencia Sky Sports called my bluff

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    All transfer decisions would have to go through head of corporate development.

    Yeah that sums us up nicely.
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    Mark Pawelek Full Member

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    In his defence:

    Woodward would not relish handling another authoritative figure who might challenge him after his experiences with Louis van Gaal and Jose Mourinho.
    I can understand Woodward's wary attitude: LVG signings were basically too ordinary to win a PL title. Mourinho's signings almost wrecked United. But if you appoint a DoF, it has to be someone you trust to make good signings on the basis of their previous experience. VDS has a great record which should allow him the kind of control over transfers he has at Ajax. United must change their DoF job description.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    I'll say it again, the person that will lose power is the current manager not the CEO. That narrative is stupid, has always been stupid and always will be stupid.
  32. Sep 13, 2019

    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    CEO always has final say at any club...
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    oz insomniac New Member

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    If VDS is really apprehensive about the authority he would have , that tells us all what a ego maniac and control freak Woody is. When someone of the status of VDS understands how the DOF would have to cede decsisons to the money man, it starts to show why the club continues to fall apart.

    Well , at least Johan and Keefy think Ed is doing a good job and we are all in denial and can't see it.
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    pocco loco

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    By all accounts Woodward enjoys being involved in transfers, people that have met him have said he sees himself as the DoF. Hence why he's keeping the final say on transfers and the watered down version of the role that we are offering.

    I don't think anybody in the club would oppose the version of a DoF that we're looking for, but the problem seems to be attracting people to a role with less influence and probably more liability in the press.
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    red thru&thru Full Member

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    Ceo should have no input who we sign. All he is in charge of is the finances.
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    pocco loco

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    Nothing we've not known for a long time now. We've turned down all the top DoFs because we don't want somebody to have the level of influence they're seeking. We've apparently interviewed ex players for the role but, word on the grapevine has been that they walked away due to the job description.

    I remember Stephen Howson talking about it in one of his videos. He'd spoke to somebody that had recently been interviewed and was an ex player. Reading between the lines, it more or less sounded like this person slated the whole thing to Howson. Iirc, they said they left being more unclear about what the role actually entails.

    Woodward is looking for his fall guy. Nothing more and nothing less. If he can put a whole committee of people in the firing line then even better, but he is still the man making the final calls.
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    Adisa likes to take afvanadva wothowi doubt

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    That is not realistic at any club.
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    pocco loco

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    There's a big grey area in all that. There have been a lot of rumors and allusions to this by LVG and JM, that some of the signings were made by Woodward. He apparently knows people that work identifying players and he will often turn to them for ideas, or so the story goes.

    And, if I'm honest, I can believe it. There were players brought in under Jose that he inexplicably didn't seem to rate from the first day. It left us scratching our heads, but the above puts that into a whole new context and explains a hell of a lot that has been going on with our managers.
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    JPRouve can't stop thinking about balls - NOT deflategate Scout

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    No, Woodward would be involved in transfers no matter what the DOF job remits are and he will always have the final say, you can make that statement for every CEOs in the world. I agree with your last point though, the issue is to attract the correct people and also identify them. Personally I don't trust Woodward and everyone else including SAF to identify a good DOF, their decisions and the ones that have allegedly been supported by SAF and SBC have been shortsighted and lacked inspiration.

    Funnily enough the template in football is always the same and always been like that. It's basically SAF at Aberdeen, you look at someone young in a smaller club who is objectively overachieving, the same is true for DOFs, scouts and coaches.
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    Cassidy No longer at risk of being mistaken for a Scouser

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    Quite significant in transfers...