That is exactly how things will remain. United are not appointing the traditional «DoF».
Hahaha yeah just read post 108 myself. Thanks SirAF
Not while Mourinho is here, but I wouldn't necessarily rule it out after he leaves. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but taking one quote from Woodward around the time when they were negotiating Mourinho's extension and extrapolating that beyond this manager isn't reasonable.
He left Chelsea to join Monaco. Doubfull he'd want to leave so soon.
Bless youHahaha yeah just read post 108 myself. Thanks SirAF
Obviously, among other things, he would be also judged based on the performance of the team and successful implementation of wanted playing style. Naturally, if he does a bad job, he could survive a little longer than a manager, but in the end, he can be easily replaced. I can only assume he would have a big say in who will be a club manager, so he really can't make so many mistakes.
Intereatingly all of those things have had long running threads here on the caf too. I wonder where theyre getting their ideas
Get rid of Mourinho. Hire a manager who will play proper football and actually challenge the big boys sometimes in the future.
If you act based on the assumption that you hire morons then you might as well close down the club. The reasoning behind a DoF appointment is incredibly simple. At top clubs coaches last maybe three years on average and they often are under immense pressure to deliver immediately. Thus they have very strong incentives to prioritize short term success over the mid to long term, even if it might not be the best for the club, not to mention that it's going to be hard to have a cohesive long term strategy if the man in charge is replaced every three years (even if they for some reason happen to care about what they leave behind), United's philosophical U-turn from Moyes to van Gaal to Mourinho are evidence of this.
And if the DoF's 'cohesive long term strategy' is a bit shite then you can just carry on sacking the managers for a while I suppose?
If you appoint incomptent people (and keep them) you're fecked either way?
Lads and lassies, if the above is right, then we are recruiting a club secretary rather than a DoF.
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Once the DOF is appointed and established,
Do you think this is an open post? I bet he/she has already prepared name cards even before interview. Job for the boys (or girls) mate.I would have applied for that if I'd known.
That's the thing, on the continent managers are rare, 99% of clubs use head coaches, they only take care of the first team. And they work alongside a proper DOF or a club president that also does the job of a DOF, Bayern and Juventus are examples of both cases. The british definition of manager is the combination of a DOF and a head coach.
I could be wrong but I'd guess the main benefit of a DOF is the fact that managers can be sacked at a whim these days whereas a DoF is seen as a very long term appointment, so if they're the ones deciding the transfers they're doing it with long term goals in mind as opposed to short term gains (hi, Sanchez), right?
worth considering seriously then!
In general DOFs are hired because of their actual intelligence and competence, it's no different to hiring a CFO or a COO. Their work is based around HR, networking and negotiating, if you do your homework it's very difficult to hire someone that is bad enough that you would have to quickly sack him for incompetency, the famous cases like Kluivert or Comolli were obvious boneheaded decisions that have been criticized even before the hiring.
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Is this the case at the perennially successful big clubs who have that setup?
We've been one of the most successful clubs for much of the last 30 years without DoF. The appointment of two bad managers post isn't reason for completely abandoning what's worked for us on the basis of trying out something that's worked for other people.
That's naive to say the least, what worked for us was SAF not the all powerful manager set up and even then it's important to know that Martin Ferguson operated like a DOF, he was the one working with the scouts and the one doing a part of the DOF job for SAF. People are really underestimating SAF's set up, he was a sport management genius and built an actual structure around him, that structure doesn't exist anymore. So unless the
First a DOF that isn't incompetent won't sign a player that the head coach mightn't want, so from the beginning you just assume that a DOF is incompetent and an idiot. Secondly generally, the DOF is one of the people that choose the head coach, so you will rarely see a duo DOF-HC that doesn't have the same approach and wants dramatically different players, that point is why I wouldn't hire a DOF while Mourinho is the manager.
I agree about not thinking about it until Jose has gone. We never had one in the past, but most PL didn't either. It is a different game now. United is different from even SAF's time. The way we conduct transfers now is completely different. Just think that if we got a DOF now there would just be even more conflict. The media seems to think he fights with most of his players, throw a DOF in there as well and they would have a field day. Once he has gone look for the best coach, someone who actually coaches all aspects of the game, then get in someone to deal with the transfers the manager wants.
