Liverpool Evans and Houllier and Middlesbrough with Robson and Venables off the top of my head.
Managerial contingency plans?
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Liverpool Evans and Houllier and Middlesbrough with Robson and Venables off the top of my head.
Never knew it ever happened! Wonder what circumstances lead to it.
Liverpool did for a while, a few years ago now.
4-4-2 anyone?
Xavi would be great if he accepts managing till the rest of the season, but I doubt he'd go for that.
Our Lisa does a cracking job near us. Shelves are always at least half stacked and she's only out the back smoking, I'd say, 50% of the time?
The staff change weekly and she's got no problem backing the youth judging by the measly little moustaches on half the new lads through the door.
Decent idea Frank.
Liverpool wanted a new manager but didn't want to appear to be abandoning their 'Boot Room' culture of promoting managers from within the club. So they hired Houllier as joint manager then sacked Roy Evans a few months later.
Might not be the exact article that you are looking for but ETH was sacked on Oct 28th, 2024 and we literally had news on the same day that we were in talks with Sporting to get Amorim.
Amorim was Berrada's choice and he went to Lisbon right away to negotiate with Sporting. There was literally no news of interview process like we had before ETH was appointed. Nothing suggests we had any interviews with potential targets at that time.
Sorted.
Lisa it is.
Let’s remember Ashworth was sacked because he was pushing for Southgate or Potter…..
Southgate has a dismal club management record - it’s a complete non starter.
I don’t think I even need to comment on Potter…..sacked by West Ham to walk into Utd job - this is a pure WUM scam
Southgate has a dismal club management record - it’s a complete non starter.
I don’t think I even need to comment on Potter…..sacked by West Ham to walk into Utd job - this is a pure WUM scam
We'll be Vibes FC again and I'm all for it. Unfortunately the vibe would be a beige room filled with tepid water.
Quite a powerful vibe that. Oppressive.
A lot of people don't understand that fans will sing a manager or player's name in the stadium whilst also wanting them to leave. I was singing Mourinho's name after I decided I wanted him sacked.
However, I highly doubt that we'll hear the Amorim chant if he's still in the dugout after a thrashing at Anfield. Every single fan will be fuming, even the 'top reds' that you're referring to.
No way Glasner leaving Palace before the end of the season. European football and top 6 chance.
This is an very useful read to understand the peak, trophy winning years of a manager. Glasner is the only one we are linked with fits the criteria with trophies won, but his first was at 47.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...avent-won-trophy-43-years-old-probably-never/
Following is AI summary of article btw:
The Significance of 43 in Football Management
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...avent-won-trophy-43-years-old-probably-never/
Why football managers who haven't won a trophy by 43 years old probably never will
Following is AI summary of article btw:
The Significance of 43 in Football Management
- A Benchmark for Success:
The age of 43 is presented as a crucial point where most of the greatest managers in football have already secured their first major trophy.
- Indicators of Potential:
The article suggests that a manager's success in the early stages of their career, particularly their ability to win trophies by age 43, is a strong indicator of their future potential for consistent success.
- Examples of Winners:
- Pep Guardiola, Zinedine Zidane, and Matt Busby all won a trophy by the age of 43.
- Other legendary managers like Sir Alex Ferguson also established their winning pedigree early, having won a significant trophy at 35 years old.
- A Critical Period:
For managers who have not won a trophy by 43, the analysis suggests it could indicate they may never achieve true greatness or consistent winning form. - Focus on Early Wins:
The article implies that the ability to win early in a managerial career is a key differentiator between managers who achieve long-term success and those who remain in mediocrity.
That's a myth that needs dying. He wanted Howe, Frank and Silva. And Potter at the most was an interim and a fall back option as a last resort.
No he wasn’t, it media driven bs.
Arsene Venger won his first trophy in Japan at 46 years of age.
This I agree with. Madness
I doubt it. I think he gets sacked very soon. Would not be surprised we lose to Sunderland.
This has been a consistent theme over the last decade though. We're more than prepared to blindly back a manager until they run out of road and only think about the consequences later. There's a complete lack of foresight
Glasner would end in a similar way to Amorim, I believe. He could possibly do better, because his 3-4-3 is considerably more defensive, which would at least to some extent compensate for the deficiencies and open spaces, but I still don't see any permutation where a double pivot is even remotely possible with United's personnel. The midfield will remain a big problem. We don't have a Wharton, not even close. Fernandes is horrible as a central midfielder. Same for the players out wide - United don't have names that are capable of doing the same job as Munoz and Mitchell. It's not a good squad, but it's particularly poor for a 3-4-3. A lot of round pegs in square holes again.
Iraola looks good. More importantly, he has considerable Premier League experience now. He has shown he can work here. But managing United's dressing room is a lot different than managing Bournemouth's. The job is different, and he wouldn't leave Bournemouth midseason. If I had to choose between Glasner and Iraola, I'd pick the latter. But I'm not convinced by him either.
But my pick once again would be Southgate. If Ashworth really did suggest him, which I very much doubt, but if he did, then the man really knows his stuff. Enough with the inside promotions, hipster managers, and big names. It's already been tried and failed miserably. This club can't accomodate those at this point in time. He is available now, he knows how to deal with egos, is humble and soft-spoken, and I firmly believe he will bring a measure of stability. He can do his thing with this squad. I think he will get more out of it, which isn't much, than the names above. The football would be bad, yes, but when was the last time it was good, after all the people that came and went? He would make United difficult to score against, which would be enough for now. Fans won't like it, but that can't be helped. He would also benefit, I think, from at least a measure of protection from the English media. This club and this squad is many years away from mounting anything resembling a challenge for honours. So, going back to basics would be my preference.
The only one I'd take ahead of Southgate would be Ancelotti. Because it's Ancelotti.
Naturally, it's all academic right now. I don't think INEOS are ready to get rid of Amorim. It would mean admitting their "project" has been a complete failure. And a lot will have to come with that.
That's my 2 cents.
Iraola looks good. More importantly, he has considerable Premier League experience now. He has shown he can work here. But managing United's dressing room is a lot different than managing Bournemouth's. The job is different, and he wouldn't leave Bournemouth midseason. If I had to choose between Glasner and Iraola, I'd pick the latter. But I'm not convinced by him either.
But my pick once again would be Southgate. If Ashworth really did suggest him, which I very much doubt, but if he did, then the man really knows his stuff. Enough with the inside promotions, hipster managers, and big names. It's already been tried and failed miserably. This club can't accomodate those at this point in time. He is available now, he knows how to deal with egos, is humble and soft-spoken, and I firmly believe he will bring a measure of stability. He can do his thing with this squad. I think he will get more out of it, which isn't much, than the names above. The football would be bad, yes, but when was the last time it was good, after all the people that came and went? He would make United difficult to score against, which would be enough for now. Fans won't like it, but that can't be helped. He would also benefit, I think, from at least a measure of protection from the English media. This club and this squad is many years away from mounting anything resembling a challenge for honours. So, going back to basics would be my preference.
The only one I'd take ahead of Southgate would be Ancelotti. Because it's Ancelotti.
Naturally, it's all academic right now. I don't think INEOS are ready to get rid of Amorim. It would mean admitting their "project" has been a complete failure. And a lot will have to come with that.
That's my 2 cents.
Appreciate the post; informative and reasoned.
While United do need a rebuild to some degree, the team has also been clearly underperforming since Amorim took over. The form of many of the players has dropped off a cliff since he took charge. When the whole team is underperforming it appears that everyone needs replacing. But this shouldn't be the case at United, and as Amorim said himself a few weeks ago you can't just sell and buy an entire squad. For that reason, I think I would still probably favour Hoeneß over Toppmöller.
How come United got brought up in a recent press conference with Toppmöller anyway? Has he actually been linked with the job at all? While it is good that he seems open to the job, it doesn't mean that Hoeneß wouldn't be either. As an an additional aside, I get the impression Honeß seems a bit more of a character fans would warm to more. Toppmöller seems a bit dull as a person somehow?
Iraola and Glasner have less than a year left on their contracts, they wouldn't require Ineos to "splash the cash" really.
Iraola won the Segunda Division playoffs with Rayo Vallecano, though not entirely sure if that would count as a trophy won or not for the purposes of the article.
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Has to be Iraola, I’d also take Glasner, but United being United it will be Southgate
Southgate ffs.
I feel the same way.
The club just seems broken and destined to be a laughing stock for a while. No idea how many managers we will go through before that changes, but you can’t persist with a manager who has been a disaster and refuses to deviate from what fails consistently.
He just has to go as quickly as possible and I don’t really care who replaces him now. I assume it’s all about when SJR admits it’s the end which can’t be too far away now.
He just has to go as quickly as possible and I don’t really care who replaces him now. I assume it’s all about when SJR admits it’s the end which can’t be too far away now.
To be fair to Southgate while he was a shit club manager he has had a few years working for one of the biggest FAs in the world so he's bound to have had access to great training opportunities, especially when his schedule wouldn't have been as blocked when he was England manager.
I also suspect that he was a decent England manager, which I base on absolutely no evidence since I never watch England play. In reality I'm just doing what we do with every potential manager and living in a fantasy world.
Amorim's been that bad, I don't actually care if it's Southgate any more. He'll do a better job than Amorim. The football will be horrible to watch, but we won't be in the bottom half. Southgate got England to two finals and no other manager has done that.
Simon Stone: Reports of shortlist are made up; SJR wants to give Amorim a full season
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He’d walk on bare feet to Old Trafford to get the job.
Are we allowed a poll on who should be the next manager yet?
One of those situations where looking after the pennies definitely don't look after the pounds.
Who could’ve predicted that Ratcliffe would be a disaster? Oh yeah, anybody who looked at his record at other clubs.
You just know it’s going to be Southgate.
If he's backing Amorim, he's backing a losing culture. When are the match going fans going to turn on him?
Southgate jesus wept..