Yea, he would be my choice if I was given a pick at anyone. Doesn't strike me as the INEOS sort though.
Managerial contingency plans?
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I won’t claim to watch a lot of Serie A so I read something which surprised me - saying Conte has been using a 4-3-3 with Napoli and not his renowned 3 atb system? Is that true? Hahaha, would satisfy a lot of our Caf posters, that!
Anyway, get an interim in place and try for Nagelsmann after the World Cup would be my choice. Nagelsmann was my choice before Amorim, but it seems that he wants to take Germany to the World Cup first.
No one was last season even close to being the best player in any position, we hardly won a game. Amad is sometimes good at wingback but miles off being the best in the league right now. Maybe he can become good in the future or maybe with a new manager he won’t play in that position ever again in his life.
That's not completely true - United and Amorim bottled the Europa League final only a few months ago.
Meanwhile, at least under Ten Hag the United team raised themselves to the occasion and won the FA Cup final.
It does seem that way.
Not for me anymore. Just get someone with proven PL experience. There's plenty of good candidates here, I dont want any more punts personally.
I was on board with the Nagelsmann idea as well, but apparently he's been struggling of late with the German national team and coming in for some stick? I know international qualifying campaigns can always produce some erratic performances, but it would be a slight concern. If Germany make it to the World Cup but then crash out early there then suddenly he'll be a manager no one will really be behind bringing in.
I think it's hard to judge a manager by his performance with an international team. He doesn't get to see them day in day out on the training pitch and see connections between different players on the day to day. Must be a bloody hard job gelling players from different teams, different formations, different philosophies etc and only have limited time on the training pitch before each qualifier.
That said I'm wary of anyone that hasn't coached in England as I do think the intensity and pressure is unrivalled (outside fo Real/Barca), especially at United where our club doesn't currently match our ambitions.
You guys don't learn your lesson huh? Amorim is struggling so let's go bring in an even younger manager who is 36 just because he is doing good with Porto, Amorim all over again. Wait... was he not the same manager that led the league with Ajax with 9 points with only 5 games to go and he bottled it? that is who you want? wow.
It was a joke, as evidenced by the subsequent laughter and follow up joke comments.
Flick struggled with German National team now look at him at Barca.
This whole 'interim' concept... Surely that's usually for a few weeks or maybe a couple of months?
For a whole season though? We'd essentially be asking a temporary manager to rescue the season, while not giving him any authority or backing and making it clear to the fans and players that the club don't really rate him enough as a manager to hire him long term.
Smells like potential disaster to me.
For a whole season though? We'd essentially be asking a temporary manager to rescue the season, while not giving him any authority or backing and making it clear to the fans and players that the club don't really rate him enough as a manager to hire him long term.
Smells like potential disaster to me.
Are we really not able to find a manager that wants to play attacking football. Someone like Flick? There must be options out there.
You mean Amad who has been non existent this season? I don’t care about how players performed last season. And even if i side with you and say Amad is great there is glaring hole in central midfield that cannot be fixed by Glasner. We need proper personnel.
His Roma and Napoli teams were some of the most fun to watch Serie A sides in recent years . Very left field option. Whats his english like? His reputation has taken a battering since he had the Italian national team job. Wouldn’t be totally against this
It will be very difficult to persuade him out of Como, because he is not just a coach there..he actually is a shareholder.. Fabregas refused Inter already..
maybe if we offered him a few slices of pizza he could change his mind
I’ve always liked him, so maybe I’m biased
Yeah, I wouldn’t mind either Glasner or Iraola (with the latter being my preferred choice).
Yeah agreed his Germany NT tenure will impact his reputation a bit - I think it might have impacted Flick’s a bit as well (& look at how brilliantly he’s doing at Barca now).
Interesting around NT managers and just someone I thought of now - how Scaloni is barely even mentioned in any of these threads. I think he’s done a superb job with the Argentinian NT - probably whilst managing one of their “less stacked” squads of recent years (I know, sometimes these things actually work in your favor). Not that I’m advocating for him, but just interesting how international football (particular around management) is viewed.
The other thing with Nagglesman, imagine if he takes Germany to the WC final(or even the SF) - that's in mid July. He'd probably want to take a weeks holiday, which would give him about two weeks to properly assess the squad etc, before the new season starts.I’ve always liked him, so maybe I’m biased
Yeah, I wouldn’t mind either Glasner or Iraola (with the latter being my preferred choice).
Yeah agreed his Germany NT tenure will impact his reputation a bit - I think it might have impacted Flick’s a bit as well (& look at how brilliantly he’s doing at Barca now).
Interesting around NT managers and just someone I thought of now - how Scaloni is barely even mentioned in any of these threads. I think he’s done a superb job with the Argentinian NT - probably whilst managing one of their “less stacked” squads of recent years (I know, sometimes these things actually work in your favor). Not that I’m advocating for him, but just interesting how international football (particular around management) is viewed.
Yep this would be a good way to go about it if Nagelsmann says yes. Otherwise we need a steady the ship appointment like a Marco Silva or a Glasner.
If we go down the interm manager route it's got to be Michael Carrick and Wayne Rooney as his assistant.
Michael has a bag of experience now and he'd be a good stand in and whatever you think of Wayne he's a more than capable number two.
I think they'd both command enough respect to guide us through a period until we were able to appoint a more permanent appointment.
Michael has a bag of experience now and he'd be a good stand in and whatever you think of Wayne he's a more than capable number two.
I think they'd both command enough respect to guide us through a period until we were able to appoint a more permanent appointment.
Yeah, but if he was the right guy, I wouldn’t mind making that concession but I’m not too tied onto him as my preferred choice. In an ideal world we’d be able to lure Enrique away from PSG but that’s not happening. So a prem proven manager like Iraola or Glasner will be worth a shot.
Yeah it doesn’t sound like we’ll go the interim route - especially not if Amorim gets relieved off his duties soon. That alone probably rules out JN.
Firstly, the World Cup will severely impact and delay most teams' preparations for the next season with many PL players likely to be away.
Also, there won't be just 3 weeks between the World Cup Final and the start of the PL season - there will be 5 weeks (WC Final 19h July, first PL fixtures weekend of 22nd August). So with 1 weeks' holiday that's still 4 weeks to work with the squad, which isn't horrendous, and is more than any manager joining during a mid-season international break would get. Certainly I wouldn't say it would be a deal-breaker for appointing a coach at the World Cup.
If Amorim gets fired from his position – which I don't think will happen – I believe Fletcher or Carrick will take over until next season. Otherwise, I would have given the coaching job to Laurent Blanc. He did a good job in Paris and won the league in Saudi Arabia last season.
The main thing with Nagglesman is that his name is not Nagglesman
Plenty of options out there, except a vast majority are currently employed elsewhere, and I'm somehow skeptical that Ratcliffe will be amenable to repeating last year's mistake of hiring a full time manager mid-season.
He has never done more than 2 years anywhere. Not really stability.
Did you mean to type P and not C ?
I’m thinking that my top choices Iraola or Glasner aren’t available mid-season. If we go the interim route, get someone that will go back to basics and just be pragmatic. Mid block and focus on counter-attacks. This team does not have the midfield to play on the front foot. I get the argument about building towards something like City, Arsenal, Liverpool have… but if your permanent guy isn’t available let’s just get results. No Europe next year is going to be horrible financially (and in terms of how bored we all are). Europa league has to be the minimum.
As for the choice, someone like Carrick is fine. McKenna would be interesting too, but might not have the authority for our squad full of “stars”…
As for the choice, someone like Carrick is fine. McKenna would be interesting too, but might not have the authority for our squad full of “stars”…
If United want Iraola or Glasner, they will come. I wouldn't worry about that at all. Mid-season or otherwise.
Interim managers also mostly don't work. Even Ole with his 10 straight wins eventually leveled out towards the end of the season and missed the CL places and that's a positive example. It might as well go as badly as with Rangnick, because the players won't give a sh*t.
Would have Iraola over Cesc or Xavi.
At this point it does not matter how long a manager stays, rather we need someone who is proven to be able to take us up the table. Basically someone to come in, can guarantee to take us back into the places for Europe and we can build on that with someone else. We are in free fall now. It’s not the time to think long term.
Looks like clickbait to me. He's also got a 37% winning percentage there, which is nearly identical to Ruben's 36
Presumably, stability in that context means arresting the freefall we seem to be in and re-establishing United as a Champions League outfit. Stabilization of our expected competitivess, so to speak (as one of the most financially advantaged clubs, in a sport where money can cure a lot of ills). Being in the Champions League is of critical importance, from sporting and financial standpoints, so a pragmatic step-by-step approach, where the appetite for risk-taking is suppressed (instead of extravagant daydreaming about the long term, which is divorced from reality) might be just what the doctor ordered. Even if he does not last more than 2 years, but succeeds in re-establishing United as a Champions League club, half the battle would have been won.
Subsequent half of our mission = making us bona fide challengers at both Champions League and Premier League level, like we were in the past, and to that end, the club could pivot to someone else. For example, Luis Enrique's current contract at Paris Saint-Germain expires in 2027. He takes a sabbatical from time to time so things might line up perfectly in our favor, if we get our ducks in a row and move proactively, like Bayern Munich when they stole a march on Guardiola's signing.
Luis Enrique signs new PSG deal as club announces four first-team contract extensions
Say what you will about Conte, the man is a league football specialist; and given the right tools, very few are as adept at securing Champions League football. Actual record to date in the competition is not the most flattering but that's beside the point, considering where we are in the present moment (and where we are, in all likelihood, going to be in the near term). He might not prove to be a viable medium term solution, but given his body of work, his tenure could well be a springboard.
Sure another highly inexperienced manager who coaches a nothing team without any thing to show for. Ruben had at least titles. Makes zero sense at this stage
Just because Amorim has been historically bad does not mean hiring a manager mid season was a "mistake" that we need to avoid to repeat. What a weird logic.
I'd be all for conte, he loves buying united players and making them look good, imagine what he could do with a whole squad of united players
Let's just get Glasner, he's approved he can overachieve in Germany, England and Europe. Anorim was only proven in Portugal and has been a disaster here, we need to pull the band aid now.