Managerial contingency plans?

Of the manager's we've been linked with in recent days and weeks, he definitely comes across as the most appetizing option. If only because the football he is coaching right now can be loosely compared to what we consider “Manchester United football” (high-intensity, bravery and willingness to besiege the opposition goal). Also, like you, it's easy for me to envision his football with the current squad (it's not perfectly suited to his football by any means, but some of the components are in place).

Lack of trophies does not bother me that much. Klopp won his first major trophy after 11 years of management, Conte did not win his first major trophy until he got his big break at Juventus, Tuchel was 44 years old when he won the DFB-Pokal, et cetera. That isn't to say Iraola will turn into a serial silverware winner, just that lots of managers who enjoyed success (varying degrees of it) needed experience and certain conditions to come into their own.

We will need to work overtime and be extremely meticulous with our preparations if we appoint a manager with this profile though. Iraola was club captain for a few years for a storied institution like Athletic Club so he is somewhat used to pressure and certain expectations, but Manchester United is another echelon with regard to attention and scrutiny. Recruiting more players who possess the skill set to propel us to higher levels will be of critical importance too as well, needless to say. If recruitment is suboptimal, no manager will succeed with this club.
 
Invictus said:
Of the manager's we've been linked with in recent days and weeks, he definitely comes across as the most appetizing option. If only because the football he is coaching right now can be loosely compared to what we consider “Manchester United football” (high-intensity, bravery and willingness to besiege the opposition goal). Also, like you, it's easy for me to envision his football with the current squad (it's not perfectly suited to his football by any means, but some of the components are in place).

Lack of trophies does not bother me that much. Klopp won his first major trophy after 11 years of management, Conte did not win his first major trophy until he got his big break at Juventus, Tuchel was 44 years old when he won the DFB-Pokal, et cetera. That isn't to say Iraola will turn into a serial silverware winner, just that lots of managers who enjoyed success (varying degrees of it) needed experience and certain conditions to come into their own.

We will need to work overtime and be extremely meticulous with our preparations if we appoint a manager with this profile though. Iraola was club captain for a few years for a storied institution like Athletic Club so he is somewhat used to pressure and certain expectations, but Manchester United is another echelon with regard to attention and scrutiny. Recruiting more players who possess the skill set to propel us to higher levels will be of critical importance too as well, needless to say. If recruitment is suboptimal, no manager will succeed with this club.
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Exactly, I think we need to get back to a style that everyone can get behind. I think with any manager coming in, if we don't invest well in midfield, they're doomed from the beginning. Perhaps this summer will be similar to the summer just gone with contracts expiring and a new "bomb" squad. I personally don't see anyone I'd be desperate to sell that we've brought in under Ineos. That may give enough space for a range of managers to come in. Your point on Athletic club is good as well, because he should understand the high importance of the academy here, too.
 
Iraola is just really impressive. Great attacking football.

I would want him to replace Amorim if it comes to it.
 
Invictus said:
Of the manager's we've been linked with in recent days and weeks, he definitely comes across as the most appetizing option. If only because the football he is coaching right now can be loosely compared to what we consider “Manchester United football” (high-intensity, bravery and willingness to besiege the opposition goal). Also, like you, it's easy for me to envision his football with the current squad (it's not perfectly suited to his football by any means, but some of the components are in place).

Lack of trophies does not bother me that much. Klopp won his first major trophy after 11 years of management, Conte did not win his first major trophy until he got his big break at Juventus, Tuchel was 44 years old when he won the DFB-Pokal, et cetera. That isn't to say Iraola will turn into a serial silverware winner, just that lots of managers who enjoyed success (varying degrees of it) needed experience and certain conditions to come into their own.

We will need to work overtime and be extremely meticulous with our preparations if we appoint a manager with this profile though. Iraola was club captain for a few years for a storied institution like Athletic Club so he is somewhat used to pressure and certain expectations, but Manchester United is another echelon with regard to attention and scrutiny. Recruiting more players who possess the skill set to propel us to higher levels will be of critical importance too as well, needless to say. If recruitment is suboptimal, no manager will succeed with this club.
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Your last sentence is actually the issue and is our achilles heel. What will bring about the stability in the team is to create and develop a balanced team with capabilities to initiate attacks from the backline and into midfield. We don't have top quality midfielders as things stand and we need a couple of those players to come in and connect both the defensive and forward lines. That connection isn't there at anywhere near the requisite standards right now and the biggest change will come about by filling those positions with the correct profile of players.

And that will then create the environment/tools for a head coach to potentially thrive.
 
Lash said:
To be fair, Adams is shite on the ball but an athlete. I think Wharton and Hughes only works because of the back 3. We should be able to replicate Scott and Adams though. I think we don't have a similar profile to Scott though.
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Tyler Adams isn't the best on the ball but what he provides is the ability to manage space in a higher line. It's actually very difficult to beat that lad in a sprint and in a interview with The Athletic, Adams stated that when it comes to defending space in highline systems, he thrives on outpacing any forward when defending space.

He only cost them £20m and is better suited to playing in a higher line due to his pace and athleticism.
 
Adnan said:
Tyler Adams isn't the best on the ball but what he provides is the ability to manage space in a higher line. It's actually very difficult to beat that lad in a sprint and in a interview with The Athletic, Adams stated that when it comes to defending space in highline systems, he thrives on outpacing any forward when defending space.

He only cost them £20m and is better suited to playing in a higher line due to his pace and athleticism.
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Fair enough. I didn't actually think he was much faster than Ugarte, but maybe I'm underestimating his speed.
 
Lash said:
Fair enough. I didn't actually think he was much faster than Ugarte, but maybe I'm underestimating his speed.
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Tbh with you mate. You're correct about both being of a similar profile, it's just that Tyler Adams has that ability to manage space better in a higher line due to his pace and athleticism. Which provides a manager a better platform to press high.

But I must say Lash, your takes are mostly spot on and I tend to agree with most of your opinions about the club.
 
Invictus said:
Of the manager's we've been linked with in recent days and weeks, he definitely comes across as the most appetizing option. If only because the football he is coaching right now can be loosely compared to what we consider “Manchester United football” (high-intensity, bravery and willingness to besiege the opposition goal). Also, like you, it's easy for me to envision his football with the current squad (it's not perfectly suited to his football by any means, but some of the components are in place).

Lack of trophies does not bother me that much. Klopp won his first major trophy after 11 years of management, Conte did not win his first major trophy until he got his big break at Juventus, Tuchel was 44 years old when he won the DFB-Pokal, et cetera. That isn't to say Iraola will turn into a serial silverware winner, just that lots of managers who enjoyed success (varying degrees of it) needed experience and certain conditions to come into their own.

We will need to work overtime and be extremely meticulous with our preparations if we appoint a manager with this profile though. Iraola was club captain for a few years for a storied institution like Athletic Club so he is somewhat used to pressure and certain expectations, but Manchester United is another echelon with regard to attention and scrutiny. Recruiting more players who possess the skill set to propel us to higher levels will be of critical importance too as well, needless to say. If recruitment is suboptimal, no manager will succeed with this club.
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Lash said:
Exactly, I think we need to get back to a style that everyone can get behind. I think with any manager coming in, if we don't invest well in midfield, they're doomed from the beginning. Perhaps this summer will be similar to the summer just gone with contracts expiring and a new "bomb" squad. I personally don't see anyone I'd be desperate to sell that we've brought in under Ineos. That may give enough space for a range of managers to come in. Your point on Athletic club is good as well, because he should understand the high importance of the academy here, too.
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DevilRed said:
Iraola is just really impressive. Great attacking football.

I would want him to replace Amorim if it comes to it.
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Iraola is the most sensible choice. He's probably leaving Bournemouth after(or even maybe during) this season for a big club. I hope he ends up at United. Could easily see him at Chelsea, if they decide to sack Maresca. He's younger than Glasner, plays 4-3-3, attacking football and probably has a higher ceiling as a manager.
 
Adnan said:
Tbh with you mate. You're correct about both being of a similar profile, it's just that Tyler Adams has that ability to manage space better in a higher line due to his pace and athleticism. Which provides a manager a better platform to press high.

But I must say Lash, your takes are mostly spot on and I tend to agree with most of your opinions about the club.
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Definitely, I'm hoping we get Baleba for that very reason. I was against going in for Rice at that massive price point, but looking back it would have been a much wiser investment than anything else we've done recently.

You too mate, I think we hold a similar view on the club and what we think it needs.
philippexyz said:
Iraola is the most sensible choice. He's probably leaving Bournemouth after(or even maybe during) this season for a big club. I hope he ends up at United. Could easily see him at Chelsea, if they decide to sack Maresca. He's younger than Glasner, plays 4-3-3, attacking football and probably has a higher ceiling as a manager.
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Feck me, please anywhere else but Chelsea.
 
Reds Under The Bed said:
To be honest if Amorim is not finishing top four his job should be in question, failure to qualify for Europe should be instant dismissal. To languish in the bottom half of the table is so unacceptable for a club of this stature that it is almost beyond comprehension.
The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was making us think the Glazers weren't still fecking up the club behind the scenes.
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I don't think Fergie would finish top four with this squad
 
lean said:
I don't think Fergie would finish top four with this squad
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He is almost most 84 and hasn’t been managing for over 12 years. I tend to agree that he wouldn’t be able to finish top 4.
 
Conte is obvious one for me. Someone who can come in and deliver instantly.

No more project nonsense.

And he has done before as well. Chelsea finished 10th season before his and he deliverer the league title. Same with Napoli who finished 10th and then he delivered the title.

Even if he stays for max 2/3 years he will get us up there atleast.
 
Watching the Palace Bournemouth game, the style difference is so stark. Iraola is someone who wants to dominate the game and on the front foot and Glasner has an extremely well drilled, effective, counter attacking team.
 
Lash said:
Watching the Palace Bournemouth game, the style difference is so stark. Iraola is someone who wants to dominate the game and on the front foot and Glasner has an extremely well drilled, effective, counter attacking team.
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If we want to get someone from the PL in, Iraola has got to be the first target
 
FortunaUtd said:
If we want to get someone from the PL in, Iraola has got to be the first target
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His team relies on absolutely relentless pressing though, that's how they try to impose themselves. They don't dominate by keeping possession. It feels like another situation where we just don't have the players to recreate that
 
Crimson King said:
His team relies on absolutely relentless pressing though, that's how they try to impose themselves. They don't dominate by keeping possession. It feels like another situation where we just don't have the players to recreate that
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But we do, we just need a midfielder or two.
 
Crimson King said:
His team relies on absolutely relentless pressing though, that's how they try to impose themselves. They don't dominate by keeping possession. It feels like another situation where we just don't have the players to recreate that
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We never have the players to recreate much. Can't press, can't dominate possession. Just sit back and play on the break
 
Crimson King said:
His team relies on absolutely relentless pressing though, that's how they try to impose themselves. They don't dominate by keeping possession. It feels like another situation where we just don't have the players to recreate that
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But his system works in the PL. if we were to squad build, I’d rather do it for a proven system rather than the goal shy one we currently are trying to work towards.
We have some good pressing players now. We would be fine initially under Ireola.
 
lean said:
I don't think Fergie would finish top four with this squad
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He finished 3rd with players like Bellion, Roy Carroll, Alan Smith, Kleberson, Liam Miller, Djemba2, O'Shea, and Silvestre in the squad.

Obviously that was built a top other good players like Ruud, Rio, Giggs, young CR7, Keane and Scholes.
 
Raoul said:
He finished 3rd with players like Bellion, Roy Carroll, Alan Smith, Kleberson, Liam Miller, Djemba2, O'Shea, and Silvestre in the squad.

Obviously that was built a top other good players like Ruud, Rio, Giggs, young CR7, Keane and Scholes.
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Not exactly a fair comparison.

Silvestre was a brilliant player for us. O'Shea was a good utility man who could basically play anywhere.
Alan Smith was probably our best player for the first few months of that 04/05 season.

Djemba Djemba was gone by January.
Carroll was rotated with Tim Howard.

Bellion, Kleberson and Miller were basically reserve players.
 
So the battle between the 2 favourites for the job ended in a thrilling 3-3 then. Honestly would not be upset with either, but Iraola #1 for me for sure just because he uses a 4231 while Glasner goes 343 with Palace (though that's not to say he wouldn't adapt here). Would be very happy with either
 
For anyone who watched the match did Glasner change tactics/formation when 2-0 down?
And how many centre backs did he bring on?
 
I still think Frank Lampard has what it takes to be a manager at the very top. He's made two really bad decisions early in his managerial career but I think he could be someone to look at longterm if it doesn't work out with Amorim.
 
Devil81 said:
I still think Frank Lampard has what it takes to be a manager at the very top. He's made two really bad decisions early in his managerial career but I think he could be someone to look at longterm if it doesn't work out with Amorim.
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I reckon Lampard will be the England manager one day.
 
Devil81 said:
I still think Frank Lampard has what it takes to be a manager at the very top. He's made two really bad decisions early in his managerial career but I think he could be someone to look at longterm if it doesn't work out with Amorim.
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I don’t want to be rude, but that might be the worst opinion I’ve ever read.
 
Devil81 said:
I still think Frank Lampard has what it takes to be a manager at the very top. He's made two really bad decisions early in his managerial career but I think he could be someone to look at longterm if it doesn't work out with Amorim.
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Bloody hell.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
I don’t want to be rude, but that might be the worst opinion I’ve ever read.
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Why?

If he shows the same dedication to his craft as he did with his playing career he's got every chance. People are too quick to write off young managers these days. They get offered roles based on names and they get rushed too quickly.

Sir Alex, St Mirren, Aberdeen and United.
Pep was the academy boss at Barca before he was given his opportunity.

Frank literally went from playing to Derby, yo the madhouse of Chelsea and the a terrible decision to join a cashstrapped doomed Everton.
 
Devil81 said:
Why?

If he shows the same dedication to his craft as he did with his playing career he's got every chance. People are too quick to write off young managers these days. They get offered roles based on names and they get rushed too quickly.

Sir Alex, St Mirren, Aberdeen and United.
Pep was the academy boss at Barca before he was given his opportunity.

Frank literally went from playing to Derby, yo the madhouse of Chelsea and the a terrible decision to join a cashstrapped doomed Everton.
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One of my best mates is an Evertonian, so I watch/pay attention to them more. He was appalling there, they deserved to go down (they beat us under Ragnick with a deflection in a terrible game to name just one). Dyche did a better job there; would you want him?

Imagine Ole, but without being a club legend and having all that goodwill and “vibes” behind him. That’s what he’d be. He might be doing well in Championship, but Neil Warnock has taken 3 teams up, so…
 
Devil81 said:
Why?

If he shows the same dedication to his craft as he did with his playing career he's got every chance. People are too quick to write off young managers these days. They get offered roles based on names and they get rushed too quickly.

Sir Alex, St Mirren, Aberdeen and United.
Pep was the academy boss at Barca before he was given his opportunity.

Frank literally went from playing to Derby, yo the madhouse of Chelsea and the a terrible decision to join a cashstrapped doomed Everton.
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He’s not shown anything to suggest that he’s anything more than a good championship manager yet.
 
I'd take even Roy Keane over Frank Lampard. At least Keane "gets" United, and the players will not be able to slack off, either.
 
I think the dream team would be Roy Keane/Eric Cantona joint manager . If your dream is fireworks and fights
 
Devil81 said:
I still think Frank Lampard has what it takes to be a manager at the very top. He's made two really bad decisions early in his managerial career but I think he could be someone to look at longterm if it doesn't work out with Amorim.
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Is this satire???
 
Sir Erik ten Hag said:
I'd take even Roy Keane over Frank Lampard. At least Keane "gets" United, and the players will not be able to slack off, either.
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When we still had Pogba, Sancho, Lindelof, Martial and co, I was strongly advocating for Keane to take us to the end of the season. With a length of hose with nails pushed through it as his assistant.
 
golden_blunder said:
He’s not shown anything to suggest that he’s anything more than a good championship manager yet.
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We will see won't we, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong and that's fair enough but I think he will develop into a good manager.

Admittedly the best of his work has come at Championship level I'm not denying that but I think he's doing really good things with Coventry. I try not to judge on the Chelsea move, that was a step too far at an early stage of his career. Everton he didn't cover himself in glory in fairness but that was also another thankless task.
 
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