Football takes another step closer to the sporting grave
Manchester City banned from CL for 2 seasons and fined 30 million euros | CAS - Ban lifted, fined 10 million
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
FFP looks dead and buried.
So basically, if I'm understanding you right, Uefa implement the FFP (insert every other rule) and basically just ask nicely that club's follow suite?
Ours is not an obsession with City about this - it's that the whole affair stinks to high heaven!!!
Well UEFA need to think a bit more creatively.
I work in fraud detection and many times I know exactly what fraud has happened, but am having a hard time actually proving it. What I don't do, is think "feck it I'll action this anyway" and then it all gets reversed when I'm asked for some evidence (which I don't have).
City are reprehensible for sure, but UEFA are the mugs here. They've been played like a fiddle.
Obiously, UEFA does not done their jobs well enough, and was too late, since their own rules says they the limitation period is 5 years. Had it not been for the leaks, they would not have done anything. They should have resources and tools to see stuff like this without whistleblowers and leakage of documents.
Still, City is guilty as charged. This will forever stick with them, plastic corrupt club that they are. We will beat them next year anyways.
Still, City is guilty as charged. This will forever stick with them, plastic corrupt club that they are. We will beat them next year anyways.
Could not agree more. Felt like this since City’s takeover. I respect Liverpool. Teams like City and Chelsea will never have my respect.
That's pretty much it.
It’s a nice juicy £10M to filter out among the EUFA Board.
What a PR blow for UEFA to be honest.
historic clubs ffs so football is only about clubs who have won things in that last 5-10-50 years, do clubs like Sheffield Wednesday, Sunderland, West Ham, Charlton etc etc not have proud histories, if it wasn't for the greed of the "historic" clubs then people like Abromovic, Mansour, bin Mussad, Srivaddhanaprabha etc etc wouldn't even have got involved in the PL
That is why today's ruling is so wrong. If football just becomes a game of "richest owner wins" then the game is ruined.
Appreciate your input!
Maybe having a sports law enforcement could be something they think about in the future. Bit of a joke really.
Does he even want to?
FFP dead forever. The soft power arms race between Abu Dhabi, Qatar and Saudi will go into overdrive after this. Nothing to stop them. As long as you have great lawyers and creative accountants that can spin a good story, the sky’s the limit. Maybe other states join into the party too at one point?
Look for Newcastle to soon get a record sponsorship from the Saudi Tourism authority or something like that.
Look for Newcastle to soon get a record sponsorship from the Saudi Tourism authority or something like that.
City and PSG are the 2 most obvious culprits in the World. When you take into account the various fines paid, It should come as no surprise that people concerned about the breaking of FFP in football are talking about these 2 clubs.
" the CAS Panel found that a significant fine should be imposed on MCFC and considered it appropriate to reduce UEFA’s initial fine by 2/3"
So they felt it necessary that a "significant" fine should be imposed, but we should definitely reduce the fine so its less significant because - reasons.
This whole thing stinks of something, starting with UEFA, through City and ending at CAS
So they felt it necessary that a "significant" fine should be imposed, but we should definitely reduce the fine so its less significant because - reasons.
This whole thing stinks of something, starting with UEFA, through City and ending at CAS
Short version:
UEFA: you cheated with FPP, we think. Give us acces to your books.
MC: Ehm, no?
UEFA: ok, then you're banned from the CL and will be fined 30M.
MC: Ehm, CAS. Help?
CAS: Hi UEFA. You didn't get a look at the books, so there's nothing to prove. So, they can join the CL. Oh and MC, shame on you for not giving acces to your book. Give10M
MC: ok.
UEFA: you cheated with FPP, we think. Give us acces to your books.
MC: Ehm, no?
UEFA: ok, then you're banned from the CL and will be fined 30M.
MC: Ehm, CAS. Help?
CAS: Hi UEFA. You didn't get a look at the books, so there's nothing to prove. So, they can join the CL. Oh and MC, shame on you for not giving acces to your book. Give10M
MC: ok.
City deserved it. It makes no sense to make it now a crime, what many other clubs in the past used to do.
Based on the summary that is being reported, UEFA have made an absolute mess of this. No wonder City were so confident about the appeal.
I don't think this is the end of FFP. La Liga giants and others will continue to keep the pressure on UEFA, and the rules will be tightened up further. FFP is not going away.
UEFA also has the right to appeal regarding some aspects of this ruling. Those aspects are unlikely to lead to a restoration of the ban for City, but a win on appeal could help with FFP in future.
I believe some of the time-constraints are actually part of UEFA's own rules, which they themselves then chose to ignore in handing down the ban.
I guess UEFA can extend those limitations in future to give themselves more flexibility in time in investigations?
The most important thing to remember:
UEFA gets to pick the referees who officiate Man City's European matches.
I don't think this is the end of FFP. La Liga giants and others will continue to keep the pressure on UEFA, and the rules will be tightened up further. FFP is not going away.
UEFA also has the right to appeal regarding some aspects of this ruling. Those aspects are unlikely to lead to a restoration of the ban for City, but a win on appeal could help with FFP in future.
I believe some of the time-constraints are actually part of UEFA's own rules, which they themselves then chose to ignore in handing down the ban.
I guess UEFA can extend those limitations in future to give themselves more flexibility in time in investigations?The most important thing to remember:
UEFA gets to pick the referees who officiate Man City's European matches.
The fact that it was time-barred shows how incompetent UEFA are and why City were 100% confident that the ban would be lifted. It's massively damning on UEFA as there is no grey area. You are either in it, or outside it. To ban Manchester City based on things that they knew were outside the statue of limitations is quite ridiculous and the charges would not actually hold up in any actual courts.
It's not their decision, only governments could do that the UEFA is a private organization, as is FIFA. And it's unlikely that any government ever will, the EU supported it but I don't see any agreement happen anytime soon, it would have too much collateral damages regarding freedom of entrepreneurship.Appreciate your input!
Maybe having a sports law enforcement could be something they think about in the future. Bit of a joke really.
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Im confused. If the decision was made because of time-barring (ie City were guilty but the information was brought forward too late) but City themselves have been found guilty of not cooperating (ie kicking the can down the road) then surely that should impact the decision to throw the case out purely on a time technicality??
I've been toying with cancelling my season ticket over the past few months as COVID helped to re-prioritise what's important to me, and seeing the push by government to ensure football continued above all else was a slap in the face to everybody else.
With this too... I think my decision is made. Won't be contributing to this industry at the top level anymore.
With this too... I think my decision is made. Won't be contributing to this industry at the top level anymore.
Historic clubs / clubs who earned their respect. You know what I mean.
Edit: ah, your title says city fan. Then of course you dont know neither history or earning the respect of others by actually not frauding football.
This is a thing in civil and criminal law as well though. Statute of limitations/prescriptive periods. For most crimes, you generally cannot be charged and prosecuted after a certain time period in most legal systems.
Milan was punished by CAS with one year ban from Europa league but not City and PSG, as money and power talks in the latter case.
Other posters claim they actually ended up getting evidence through an illegal hack so if anything they were a bit too creative in the end though I haven't read the verdict so i don't know if it's true.
I guess UEFA didn't consider that in drafting the current rules; that there's no clause in the rules allowing for UEFA to waive the time-barring rules.
As I posted before the verdict, City likely did not cooperate precisely because they knew UEFA were pursuing a flawed case that would not stand up in an independent court. The fine is purely on that basis - refusing to cooperate.
I'm sure AC Milan must be taking this news well
False flag operation orchestrated by dark forces designed to generate sympathy for City and line a bunch of pockets at the same time. They're all in on it and we're just watching a show. It's 2020 nothing surprises me anymore
Yay, corruption wins. All hail corruption.
On the plus side at least the Glazers know they can now pump limitless amounts of their own cash into United without fear of FFP... this was what they were waiting for wasn’t it?
That would also be problematic in most courts. Trying to prosecute using evidence that was illegally obtained. Far better if the rules allow for the harshest possible penalties for refusing to co-operate in UEFA investigations, than trying to nail a club using evidence from dodgy sources.
Absolute farce. FFP is the biggest load of bollocks since the last career politician opened their mouth.
I like an optimistic take on this mess, even though it's dripping in sarcasm.
I get that, but don't you think its odd to talk of "significant fines" ... only to talk of reducing that fine in the same sentence?
Not cooperating fully with your governing body should be cause for a heavy fine, not a reduction of one.
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There is literally an e-mail exchange saying pretty much exactly that. I can't remember off the top of my head, but something along the lines of "You the company pays City 14m, 2m is your own money and 12m is coming from Sheikh"
It obviously wasn't UEFA who hacked City. But when that information is in the public domain, then its fair game for anyone to use. Notable that City never claimed the emails weren't legitimate.
UEFA have bodged this badly, the equivalent of a Ronny Rosenthal miss in their world cup final..............