They get everyone else banned from Europe.Why couldn't it be Liverpool
Manchester City banned from CL for 2 seasons and fined 30 million euros | CAS - Ban lifted, fined 10 million
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
Isn't the key difference that City got hacked? Who knows what skulduggery PSG have been up to behind the scenes.
I understand the consensus has been that way but this one seems different. I don't remember anyone being banned from UEFA competitions simply because they faked their income as blatantly as this. This case seems different from the ones in the past. Milan, Galatasaray were banned for 2 years for example but they were in huge debt and spent way out of their income. In City's case, they faked their income and then as a result spent way out of their means.
I don't expect this to be overruled. If anything, I think FA should be pushed to investigate this further more.
'member when City fans thought they were complying with FFP? Yeah I 'member.
Special mention to @Ronetta at the time too.
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Last November, Silver Lake, a US private equity group, bought 10% of City Group for £389m. If Silver Lake trusted the financial statements issued by City and relied on them when making their investment decision, this all starts to look like fraud, which is absolutely a criminal offence.
If this is the case, I suspect that somebody will pay off Silver Lake to make sure that they don't commence any action, in order to stave off criminal proceedings.
You could make that statement for literally anyone. If we stay in the reasonable, we know that the UEFA was given enough information by PSG to identify who was what and reevaluate deals, this is something that City seemingly never allowed, they simply tried to deceive the UEFA, that's the key difference that we know about. Also I seem to remember that PSG and Monaco were both hacked and are in the football leaks.
The smart move by PSG is that they put the UEFA in a tough situation, the UEFA can't really pretend that they have been deceived.
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Transfer wise, this huge as well. They basically have to be legit in everything they do now. No more cheating the rules.
How do they cover a big transfer spend, they will hopefully decay from this point in as a lot of genuine sponsors won't want to associate with proven cheats.
We could be seeing the beginning of the end of the Shiek. He thought he was clever taking on United in their own City but he's had to cheat to get them where they are now. I'd strip them if all their trophies, they've breached rules to gain an advantage, to me that's as bad as it can get in football.
How do they cover a big transfer spend, they will hopefully decay from this point in as a lot of genuine sponsors won't want to associate with proven cheats.
We could be seeing the beginning of the end of the Shiek. He thought he was clever taking on United in their own City but he's had to cheat to get them where they are now. I'd strip them if all their trophies, they've breached rules to gain an advantage, to me that's as bad as it can get in football.
I don’t know how City players can justify being employed and paid, by a murderous, misogynistic, homophobic regime.
That money is coming directly from people that carry out unimaginable human rights crimes.
Where’s their conscience at?
That money is coming directly from people that carry out unimaginable human rights crimes.
Where’s their conscience at?
Ha! Good to see Karma strike!
This is brilliant, I'm shocked UEFA have actually taken a stand here and done something about the cheating, filthy cnuts!
Amazing! I reckon Pep is now 100% going in the summer, my bet would be Tuchel replacing him - straight swap, Pep going to PSG to resume winning things without pesky competition to hurt his fragile ego. Will be intriguing now to see City's transfer fees going forward, I bet they're noticeably higher than they have been in the past....
Very good news this!
Amazing! I reckon Pep is now 100% going in the summer, my bet would be Tuchel replacing him - straight swap, Pep going to PSG to resume winning things without pesky competition to hurt his fragile ego. Will be intriguing now to see City's transfer fees going forward, I bet they're noticeably higher than they have been in the past....
Very good news this!
Twitter is awash with Liverpool fans ripping into City for this ban. Selective short memories in Liverpool...
You can be sure, it‘s a precedent for big English clubs only.
This ban is a result of lobbying by Spanish and Italian and German clubs.
Think this is just UEFa saving face. CAS will over turn at least half the ban and half the fine.
Hopefully it the start towards balancing of astronomical fees of transfers & players. Big daddy clubs like City have caused the market to explode and, as a common man, it's been really hard to connect with the money floating around in football.
This should be a good test of what a player values most;
Do they now ask their agent t o shop them around as we constantly hear the line that the top players will only go to a club where they will play Chmps League or do they sit contentLy at their club with no hope of that but be on a monster wage.
My money is on the latter.
Do they now ask their agent t o shop them around as we constantly hear the line that the top players will only go to a club where they will play Chmps League or do they sit contentLy at their club with no hope of that but be on a monster wage.
My money is on the latter.
If they do they do. At the very least it will have been done fairly. They haven't broken the rules. Hate them with every ounce of my being but if they are best team they deserve it. They are currently. And city are horrible cheating twats.
And English clubs.
Oh yes.He stuck his foot in it didn't he!
That will send out a dangerous message and precedent.
What will other clubs make of a decision to overturn obvious flouting of financial rules?
Don’t think CAS will let them off myself
I'm amazed but delighted that UEFA have had the balls to take on the financial might of City and their threats. FFP was brought in to punish clubs for the financial equivalent of amphetamine doping on a Lance Armstrong scale.
It's just a pity that FFP rules don't allow the sanctioning of owners, who drain money from a club, and ban them from owning clubs, for the financial equivalent of doping by applying horse tranquilizers.
It's just a pity that FFP rules don't allow the sanctioning of owners, who drain money from a club, and ban them from owning clubs, for the financial equivalent of doping by applying horse tranquilizers.
How so?
If this is a Heysel reference, it’s a straw man argument
Even if the 5th place team gets CL, we'll still finish 6th knowing our luck.
Reality is they will probably appeal and significantly change the outcome.
Reality is they will probably appeal and significantly change the outcome.
If they appeal it and are in any way successful, the system looks an even bigger joke and it'll be impossible to take any scare tactics from the higher ups seriously ever again.
Was just reading an article on the possible point deduction facing City, and this last paragraph got me:
Not gonna happen, but still. Scenes if it did
It’s irrelevant to them as long as they get success.
A gay colleague and City fan felt very compromised by the whole takeover. It was a case of love the team and Pep but hate the club.
Sometimes your ideals just fly out the window when money rears its head
I think the correct term is ''compensate'.
Sounds very serious. A criminal offence such as Section 17 of the Theft Act 1968 should be investigated, judged , and penalised by the relevant body. Once City were found guilty by a proper court then UEFA could have imposed its own punishment.
They can re sign Jimmy GlassWas just reading an article on the possible point deduction facing City, and this last paragraph got me:
Not gonna happen, but still. Scenes if it did
The last leader of supposedly good standings died on a cross. Everyone else has degrees of scumness.
My money is on the final verdict being: 15M fine, no ban.
Money laundering?
Actually, it is now self sustainable. That's why I'm pretty glad FFP was in place, it forced our directors to find other sources of income and JC Blanc did a tremendous job to do so. Accor (ALL) replaced QTA as our main sponsor, we developped a huge co-brand deal with nike/jordan and we now have minor contracts with Qatar companies, well within FFP rules, that could easily be replaced if our shareholder decides to leave.
Had Qatar left in 2015, we'd have been in great danger, and thanks to FFP we're not anymore. So thanks UEFA.
It’s just as annoying that Liverpool will win leagues with no one challenging. Very easy to win a one horse race.
And several high up representatives of UEFA with some unbelievable new lining in their pockets
I can’t see the Ban standing
footballs dodgy as hell with the wonga these days, payoffs occurring left right and centre
What’s several million in bribery pay outs when it keeps you in the CL and all it brings
Accor replaced Fly Emirates and there is more links between Accor and Qatar then there was between Fly Emirates and Qatar. You probably know who is the PDG of Accord(Bazin) and who is the administrator(Sarkozy), now have a look at who is one of the major shareholders(QIA).
Drowning in the Nile (denial)
It will be annoying but it will be deserved as much as we don't like it. It's now up to us to sort ourselves out and go and knock them off again. We've done it once we can do it again
Serious question, let's say part or all of the ban and fine remains intact. If UEFA is certain that financial rules have been broken then why is there no such investigation or punishment from the Premier League? Hypothetically they have not selectively just cheated European competitions. If the ban sticks but nothing from the Premier League then surely that brings into question the integrity of the Premier League? Or is it more about saving face for the 'Best League in the world' with the 'Best Manager and Players'
I mean until now Malaga were the club which had the strongest sanctions put against them.
Also I mean 1) reports that state Juve fans caused the disaster have mainly been refuted as unsubstantiated and 2) there was a fence between the supporters that Liverpool fans broke through. Whatever might have caused the initial rush resulted in Liverpool fans charging Juve fans. It was entirely their fault. Even our government called for all English clubs to be pulled from European competition, our football hooliganism was at such a peak point and many fans from many clubs were causing havoc across Europe, more so than any European fans at the time. Banning all English clubs was a legitimate response.
They're currently under investigation from the PL and a punishment is coming.
Such coincidences.
