And that was a huge mistake IMO. All the warnings were in place when we played dire football throughout the season and got 4th by a miraculous run of games that saw us beating Liverpool, Spurs and City(that run of games and the FA Cup is the only credit he is getting from me). But the warnings were there and sure enough everything we feared happened the next season: the dire football turned even worse, we crashed at the CL group stage and didn't secure 4th. So in hindsight, he should've never been given a second season.
Manchester United 'more boring ' under Jose Mourinho, says Louis van Gaal
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He really doesn't have much self awareness does he?
We played well enough to get to 4th. And in the second season, we were going well till about November. The injuries in December completely derailed our season. We then put the wheels in motion for Mourinho to join in the summer
Based on my calculations, I had 6,108 minutes of sleep watching Manchester United in LVG's era. Give me back that time.
To be fair you have to also bear in mind that the coaches Van Gaal came up against. He didn’t get the best against Mourinho.There are a lot of things to criticise LVG for, but to say LVG was not good in big games is going a bit far as overall his record was very good, with the odd blip. Going into the games against the big 6, I went from thinking the game was lost before it was played under Moyes, to thinking we could get a result with a chance under LVG.
Top of the "Big 6" mini league in both seasons and isn't that often teams get 18+ points - in fact I remember someone saying that winning home games and drawing away games against the big 6 (so 20 points total) should be enough to win the league as long as you do the business against the lower teams. 18 points is respectable but his record against the lower teams was dreadful and that (along with the many goalless draws, lack of shots, poor record in CL etc) is where the ire should be.
Van Gaal isn't a United fan. I doubt he watches many of our games except for the big games, so if he's on about purely them he might have a point but overall Jose is much better.
This season we're on track to having a "points v big 6" record like we're used to. Our points vs the rest of the table on the whole is great - with the odd blip like Huddersfield - just sucks that we're against this City side.
I know he beat Klopp once. But we got sort of embarrassed in the Europa. He did well against Brenton, but I have no doubts Jose would have done that too and against Pellegrinni. Klopp and Guardiola are a step up from them two and then you bring in Conte. Jose has a tougher pool of managers to compete against.
True, but usually, not always, but usually Managers get the International job on the strength of their previous work in club football in the first place, so.....A successful international campaign is in no way an indicator for success in club football. And you may say that Iceland "only" beat England, but you forget that the gulf in quality between Iceland and England is bigger than the gulf in quality between Spain and Netherlands.
And I have to admit that I enjoyed his shenanigans at that penalty shoot-out
What changing the Goalie, yeah masterstroke
Absolute bollocks...Being an asian, I had to watch United play at times others would be in deep sleep. But never in my life had I fell asleep during a game. Van Gaal's football made me do that twice, and once was when we played at OT smh. This is the best we have been playing since SAF
Great post. Knew his record against the top 6 was good but had no idea we actually topped the top 6 mini league in both of his seasons.There are a lot of things to criticise LVG for, but to say LVG was not good in big games is going a bit far as overall his record was very good, with the odd blip. Going into the games against the big 6, I went from thinking the game was lost before it was played under Moyes, to thinking we could get a result with a chance under LVG.
Top of the "Big 6" mini league in both seasons and isn't that often teams get 18+ points - in fact I remember someone saying that winning home games and drawing away games against the big 6 (so 20 points total) should be enough to win the league as long as you do the business against the lower teams. 18 points is respectable but his record against the lower teams was dreadful and that (along with the many goalless draws, lack of shots, poor record in CL etc) is where the ire should be.
Van Gaal isn't a United fan. I doubt he watches many of our games except for the big games, so if he's on about purely them he might have a point but overall Jose is much better.
This season we're on track to having a "points v big 6" record like we're used to. Our points vs the rest of the table on the whole is great - with the odd blip like Huddersfield - just sucks that we're against this City side.
I am a big believer in possession football, playing out the back and all that stuff of the Dutch School and I am probably the most negative here about Mourinho but, there is no question we are attacking better under Mourinho.
LvG’s tenure here is the only time I actually did not look forward to see us play. I remember not being able to warch some games and thinking it was completely ok.
Mourinho has been the complete opposite in terms of creating enthusiasm, at least for me.
Mourinho has been the complete opposite in terms of creating enthusiasm, at least for me.
Louis.It's interesting because he had a very different approach to blooding young players than Fergie. With Fergie, he identified the really talented kids and carefully and thoughtfully integrated them into the side.
LvG was completely different. He left the squad criminally light and used lots of young players at various times. Rashford got a chance but only after Wilson, Powell and Will Keane were either injured or tried and failed.
He deserves credit for Fosu Mensah and wanting to play Tuanzebe but he also played James Weir, Regan Poole, Donald Love, etc. who had zero chance of ever being first teamers at United (not to mention the likes of McNair and Blackett).
I'm sure there is method in LVG's process but I much prefer Fergie's policy of identifying the player and nurturing his talent rather than throwing them all in and seeing who survives. It shows more of an eye for talent and means results don't have to suffer while players who are out of their depth get a chance.
I did like when he settled on a 3 of rashford, martial and lingard. He is right that jose does set up defensively, but we still create chances under jose. With LVG, it felt like christmas came early if we managed to create one chance.
Interesting regarding his point on Woodward - given jose coming was a certainty, i dont blame him for feeling betrayed by ed for not telling him the plan.
Interesting regarding his point on Woodward - given jose coming was a certainty, i dont blame him for feeling betrayed by ed for not telling him the plan.
For long periods on Sunday, City did look like an LVG side, passing between midfield and defence like that sketch from The Simpsons. Maybe poor Louis was just a Pogba away from perfection?
Wait no, feck that, I'm so glad he's gone.
Wait no, feck that, I'm so glad he's gone.
That's a huge insult to Pep. We would go games without a single shot on target under LVG ffs. We were a fecking countrymile away from anything they're producing now.
Yeah, I mean - unlike most people here - I'm not against insulting the manager of a direct rival on the Internet. There's plenty of people on there knees right now, they don't need me helping.
But in all seriousness, City were not fantastic on Sunday, they were not very dangerous and only created a couple of chances. Looking beyond our own palpable jealousy, it was nowhere near the thrilling City of September/October. For Christ sake, they took off a striker for a defender and were time wasting for the last 30 minutes. A repeat Wembely 2011 this was not.
You won't be making any sort of highlight reel from Sunday. Not for one second does this make our own performance any less disappointing.
I agree, they were average. Had we been a little more adventurous and had Pogba and/or Bailly, we could have got something out of that game.
Glad someone is seeing things in this point of view too. We just gifted them two goals and the three points. I am seeing signs of City slowing down in the next couple of weeks but have to accept that they have developed some character to win ugly too. Without Pogba it was always going to be difficult but the manner in which we concede those goals still irks me. I want to see how they are going to react against a loss because I think that will happen soon !
I wonder if he(LVG) took time out to watch the dross we produced? We lost at home to Norwich and Southampton FFS!
We got lucky in a cup final we should have lost and Rashford saved his season.
The man's deluded
Too late now. They can lose three in a row before they're under any pressure. It's over. We had a chance on Sunday, even without Pogba, and fluffed our lines.
He probably only watches our big games. He's right when it comes to them. Our approach to big games under Lvg was far better than Jose's. We actually played on the front foot and had some excellent performances instead of playing archaic, wimp football.
Sadly it's the other games where Lvg failed miserably and thankfully we've improved under Jose.
If only we could combine the two.
Sadly it's the other games where Lvg failed miserably and thankfully we've improved under Jose.
If only we could combine the two.
Yeah the problem is that you could fathom such a turn of events if City had tough games coming up soon. Sadly they've only just gone ahead and beaten all their closest rivals one after another.
Well, Van Gaal did play far more positive football against our immediate rivals most of the time and I miss that. It wasn't always great but he was braver than Mourinho.
Against other teams, however... yeah, I'd rather forget all that.
Against other teams, however... yeah, I'd rather forget all that.
Hard to believe he genuinely believes this, but I guess he's just so ingrained in his philosophy that this is truly how he sees things. In reality it's worlds apart, we are so much better to watch now. I can't help but feel he's only seen us in the big games where we admittedly have been quite defensive.
Deluded old fool, i can only assume he lives on thinking United fans actually enjoyed his football.
LvG played some of the most boring football I've ever watched. I actually stopped looking forward to United games at some point in his reign. He's a funny man but fecking delusional.
Van Gaal did play a more positive game against the big teams but against most other teams it was unbearable. Jose's style in big games is awful but at least we're watching regular high scoring games from our side and points-wise we're much better off because of it. We're far more entertaining under this season than we've been in years, I doubt anyone (besides LGV) would dispute that.
Haha deluded old man.
I am not a veteran (supporting Utd since 18 years) but this guy gave me the 2 most boring and painful years of beeing a Utd fan.
I am not a veteran (supporting Utd since 18 years) but this guy gave me the 2 most boring and painful years of beeing a Utd fan.
Do tend to agree with this.
Jose shits it in almost every big premier league game. he's a one off cup specialist granted, but we play so negative and long ball against the big lot in the league its unbearable.
LVG can bore off though, bit of a non sense comment from him given the dire stuff he had us playing
Exactly. The weekend obviously left a bad taste in our collective mouths but realistically we are much improved (outside the top 6 games where Mourinho is infuriatingly pragmatic). City are the only team to score more than us so we're doing something right, just not frequently enough.
He should have found a way to have a dig at Mourinho or Woodward without bringing City into it.
Fact is he was sacked for leading us into the EL, if Mourinho does the same he will be gone too..
Something foundations something
He's not that far off. I'm not sure which football is more boring - sideways football or parking the bus. But if he wanted to dig into Jose all he had to do was point at his results against the big teams.
Sad to see LVG jump the bandwagon but looking at the news report itself especially on the final words, Woodward is still the main problem and the chronic malady that caused most of the bad things that is happening at United now.
Are you kidding? Do you remember playing League 1 Sheffield United at home and people cheering for Memphis' shanked shot after 70 odd minutes because nothing else had happened all match?
Under Van Gaal we would go HOURS without any goals. Without even any shots at goal. There were a string of 0-0s in December 2015. It was the most tedious football I've ever seen.
Jose's a counter attacking manager, he does surrender territory and try to hit on the break. He ain't that though. That was mind numbing.
Further proof that he was/is delusional.
Watching wet paint dry is less boring than LVG's football.
SportWitness say these quotes may be fake...
Nothing new for LVG. He's always been a deluded prick. I'm quite sure he honestly thinks he's the best trainer the world has ever seen. It would be funny, but I honestly think the man has a mental condition.