Rashford had a brief spell where he looked like a world beater, but then entirely predictably reverted to mediocrity, living on that short lived spell for years just as many others have before him. Seeing the £40m transfer fee mentioned in the thread title amuses me. Given his form and salary, I wouldn’t value him at even £10m.
Manchester United view sidelining Marcus Rashford as key to cultural reboot
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
In real life we finished 15th. 2 places lower than when he was kicked out
At the end of the day Rashford is a lazy petulant player... we can see that by the lack of clubs in for him.
You think he is some top player... Villa dont even want him... his level is much lower than you think
Where have I ever said that?
I think hes a scapegoat, despite his own shortcomings and not being a consistent top player. Partly his fault but also majorly because our current manager is bringing relegation form to the club, so to deflect the blame from terrible management a couple of players he doesnt like are being picked as scapegoats. But without Rashford and whatever it was that made Amorim take him out of the squad initially (lack of pressing? missing training? We didnt get the answer) we did worse. And the only way he's going to be "right" is if we do better without Rashford than we did with him. For a start Amorim needs to finish above 8th and outdo the man he replaced.
Edit - Also I was as frustrated as anyone else with Rashford's form before it all happened. I just think its dishonest to scapegoat certain players you dont like as if there wasnt wrong on both ends. You dont really learn from the mistakes and know how to do better if you do that.
I agree with this completely. Moving on players is fine but you have to improve without them. Last season we moved him on then consistently played worse players up front, that isn't a formula for success.
If it weren't for his wages, he would be snapped up for £40m no problem. Partly, this is a reflection of the extremely thin supply in the market for attacking players, but still true for sure.
I'm guessing nobody will want to pay a fee for the lazy prima-donna. We'll probably have to pay half of his extortionate wages on loan. But hey, let's not forget he's an amazing player who we should have kept...but nobody else wants to pay for at all.
It surprises me how those at the club who are close to the player’s, that being the coaching staff, the Management, scouts etc are not able to see when a player is serious about his sport and when he is an immature kid who’s talent will not continue to bail him out. In how many other sports do you see top athletes who has tattooed half of their body before they reach 25 and dress like rock stars. How can it be a major surprise to anyone close to the player’s, and with the kind of inside information you would expect from a scouting team, to know that Sancho had issues, which most likely were those leading City to let him go in the first place. And how could nobody see Rashfords transformation from the young guy interested in “feeding the kids” to the man only interested in feeding himself.
Getting rid of Garnacho at least suggests that the club is heading in the right direction but of course it will take some years to turn the supertanker around, and Rashford and Sancho are not part of the future. Cut the losses and move on.
Getting rid of Garnacho at least suggests that the club is heading in the right direction but of course it will take some years to turn the supertanker around, and Rashford and Sancho are not part of the future. Cut the losses and move on.
Do you ever consider the possibility of Utd finishing lower than 15th if Rashford stays? I mean, how many clubs big, medium or small have actually come for him after his supposed brilliant spell at Villa.
The purpose of loaning Rashford was not to improve the onfield performances of the team in the short term. Surely you understand that?
And if he hadn't been kicked out we could have finished even lower
It's hard enough getting results with mediocre players when they are making an effort, it's nigh on impossible when the aren't, and anyone that thinks that Rashford was making an effort needs their eyes testing
Rashford £40m valuation is purely nostalgia driven. Even ignoring his obscene wages, his current form and performances dont come close to justifying that price. Lets be clear £10-20m is a realistic valuation for a streaky winger with his glaring flaws and fading reputation and frankly thats me being generous.
Yeah sadly true, also supporters get stuck on the idea Transfer Fee=Talent, when the players actual talent only makes up a fraction of the fee.
Rashford is on the decline talent wise.
United don't want him...desperate to sell.
Attitude problems.
HUGE wage.
Who would be stupid enough to offer anything more than a few million? the only club who would actually offer a high fee for a player like that is United!
Al Hilal appear desperate to sign a quality player before the club world cup but I struggle to imagine even for them paying £40m for Rashford.
It was obviously to have players doing what he was not doing. And they didnt.
Rashford and his brother would reject that within seconds! In the hope Barca come knocking with a bag of peanuts for his services for a season.
The most likely outcome I can see is him leaving for Barca on a season loan at the end of the window with Utd still paying part of his wages. He still has 3 seasons left on his contract. What an absolute farce
No, it was to get a player who didn’t want to be at the club, out of the way.
No one doubts that Rashford could have made a contribution if at the club for the last 6 months.
But sometime you have to cut deep to remove the rot, and understand the short term impact.
Thats true. I'd like us to do that with a new manager
Obviously? Nah, you’ve got the wrong end of the stick. That clearly wasn’t the reason he was shipped out.
You've almost just proved my point.
Rashford wasn't playing at the required level. He wasn't the only one though.
Every so often, the fans make one player the poster boy for the club's failure.
It was Fellaini. It was Young. It was Pogba. It was Lingard. It was Martial etc etc etc
When that player gets sold, fans decide it's a turning point. Until the whole cycle repeats.
Whats your point? We shouldn't get rid of shit or problematic players like those you mentioned?
Heard. I personally find a lot of football fashion gaudy , same goes for a number of other pro sports.
I'm of the opinion it is whatever so long as the work ethic and performances aren't suffering . But it does seem to become a quicker target for some players like Rashford. Unfairly so for me. Stark contrast to say Lamine Yamal doing pressers with the trucker cap on sideways/backwards that didn't seem to bother anyone.
It seems like standard fan behaviour to excuse whatever a high performing player is wearing and totally weaponise whatever an underperformer, particularly one with a perceived attitude problem, is wearing. Yamal also probably gets additional leeway for his age and the Caf has a chunky middle-aged element sneering at any younger fashions generally. I'm sure there must've been a thread on Beckham's sarong back in the day.
Clearly you think we will be higher up with Rashford.
What I dont understand from fans like you is.. you think Amorim brought relegation form, but Ten Hag had the same form before getting sacked... you know that right?
Also.. he is most definitely not a scapegoat... when Amorim was not the manager, Rashford was punished multiple times by Ten Hag for being unprofessional off the pitch. Amorim wants player to play for the club, for the team and Rashford always plays for himself.
Amorim has shown he doesn't care about who he likes / doesn't like and I can point to examples...
Casemiro was dropped and not in his plans, he said it himself he was professional and he turned it around by showing in training.
You could be right but can you name another International winger, in their mid 20s, with the best part of 100 Premier League goals you could sign for £10-20m?
It is all mental with Rashford and he has a big ego. He may sound down to earth and shy personality but deep down, he thinks he is un-droppable for both United and England. Most clubs wouldn't pay 40 million for a inconsistent player. If he is 20-23, clubs may think there is potential to be consistent, I think most clubs wouldn't pay this much. I think he will eventually leave on free.
Thats a very good question but unfortunately I dont have a definitive answer. While he has scored 100 PL goals, I am focusing on his current form and performance particularly after his 22/23 fluke season which conveniently coincided with his contract renewal. Over the past couple of years, his performance and output has been abysmally poor. Factor in his attitude and off field antics, £10-20m valuation seems generous. His 100 PL goals clearly havent translated into demand as no clubs are queuing up to sign him. He claims hes ready for a new challenge. If hes serious, he need to slash his wages and find a club actually interested in his services. He isnt wanted here.
I am not sure I get your point. All the players you mentioned left rightfully and actually most of them overstayed. There are millions of reasons why Utd failed spectacularly over the past 10+ years and nobody attributed the clubs failure to him. But now we have minority owners and a new manager trying to rebuild this club and clearly Rashford isnt part of it. He wants a new challenge so let him reduce his crazy salary and find a new club interested in him. We dont want him here.
Yes Yamal and Rashford are a good comparison. Like comparing Usain Bolt to Frank Cannon.
Cant wait to see Rashford bump off from the squad. From the start, it was quite clear that he does not have the skills for the team to be built around him. His attitude also stinks in that he thinks he is undroppable and he's allowed to walk around on the pitch without pressing.
ETH was a bad manager too. Thats why we came 8th and then he was fired
These are abysmal ever deteriorating standards for managers at the club and its sad. If Amorim's season isnt a checklist for getting fired as our manager, then only being relegated is going to get the manager fired. That puts our standards at the same as clubs like Leicester, West Ham and Wolves.
That's completely out of tune really..
Amorim has not had a full season, so not sure what you are on about about his checklist...
I really dont understand fans who look at things without any context... "I looked at the table, we finished 15th, manager needs to be sacked, or else we have no standards"
I mean seriously? there are so many different things wrong at the club, our culture is rubbish in the squad and we have a squad of Rashford, Antony, Sancho, Hojlund, Mount, Shaw and others who are over paid and do not deliver anything.
Its not football manager where you get rid of all in one window replace them all.
There is a reason why its been failing for 12 years..
If our standards were of those of Leicester, West Ham and Wolves, we would not be signing the best PL attackers.. just have a think about that.
I will keep posting this. Its possible for several things to be true. The club is a mess, the squad is poor. INEOS to date have made things worse. But Amorim has done nothing, literally nothing, to deserve to still be in the job. His obstinacy is seen as some kind of deep philosophy but may hide the fact that he's simply not that good. The best managers are flexible. They can also motivate players. Amorim oversaw the flattest and least motivated performance in a major final I have ever seen from this club. He has successfully lowered expectations through the floor. Some now credit him with 'clearing out deadwood', 'buying the right players'. We have been here before. Even those things are not primarily his job. Its coaching.
There's precedent for that. The last time we were relegated, we kept the manager. Thank goodness.
Those arent manager standardsStick to the topic.
So you think the club and manager have 2 different standards?
Who do you think hires / sacks the manager? a different club?
The club has managerial standards. These have nothing to do with who we sign
See Moyes who didnt get to sign many players and was fired
You can keep posting it, doesn't mean what you are saying will turn into the truth.
I will address INEOS first... they have made things worse? how so? Have the gone and employed overpaid players? or are they looking to put in a wage structure?
INEOS have made our books look better in the last quarter... did you know that?
How has he lowered expectations through the floor? why do you make things up? He has been in the job for 6 months...
He has accepted that the performances and results have been poor, also said Europa wouldn't mask anything - how is that lowering standards?
Its fans like you, who want a manager to come in and finish 8th... just because they can play 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1... wow flexible because the number starts with 4 at the back.
Right... so now you are talking about INEOS and Glazers... 2 different ownership models.
Leicester appoint RVN.. we do an appoint a upcoming manager...
West Ham appoint failed Potter... we dont..
How is it the same standard?