The glazers are still there and Ineos havent appointed a manager so you're asking an impossible question. They are keeping the manager with the worst record since Sir Alex was here though, so thats what we have to work with. We also kept other managers who were doing poorly too long, just none were getting as few points as Amorim. Its the same thing just with less points and further down the table, deteriorating standards.
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The glazers are still there and Ineos havent appointed a manager so you're asking an impossible question. They are keeping the manager with the worst record since Sir Alex was here though, so thats what we have to work with. We also kept other managers who were doing poorly too long, just none were getting as few points as Amorim. Its the same thing just with less points and further down the table, deteriorating standards.
INEOS have appointed Amorim.
I get it you think he should be sacked.. so if he gets higher than 8th with more points, would you say our standards are improving?
Ten Hag was sacked because he was performing poorly after being backed by 800m.
Sometimes you have to realise its not just the manager.
Given a high volume of games played since young age, growing list of injuries (some tricky ones like back problems) oftenly playing throught them, and a bit of "mental fatique" last few years Id say his actuall pro football age is much closer to 30 (if not there already) than 25. He is 28yo in a few months afterall.
Agree with you that it would be impossible to find an international winger in prime age with such a great productivity in PL or top 5 leagues - fully dedicated to their football career without Rashfords baggage - for £20m.
Its 100% not just the manager. And I feel sympathy for him to an extent. And I've defended him till the end of the season too. I just cant think of a good reason why his terrible points total isnt sackable.
The problem is that off the field stuff starts to happen when the bigger clubs are doing poorly. Players who are happy enough being a sub when the team is coming 5th or 4th are unhappy being a sub when the team is 15th and the players on the pitch are playing poorly. These things are symptoms of the problem, and the problem is that we dont get results. We dont get results because the manager is more concerned with playing his formation regardless of the results.
I think 1 of 2 things will happen in the first half of next season
1) A new season. So we get 2 wins in the first 5 matches and all the players start feeling better and more confident and that momentum carries us to more results and we're around 8th
2) We dont get a few wins at the start of the season. As soon as we're back down in the bottom half of the table I think that'll be it for the season
I dont see an option 3) where things arent going good and Amorim turns it around. I dont think he has that ability and if 2) happens I expect we'll have another season like the last. Im expecting 2
So with these scenarios, you think 8th is the limit under Amorim.
I disagree and think we can finish in the top 5.
The decision to loan him out wasn't the problem. The problem was not bringing in anyone to replace either him or Antony. At that moment we sacrificed the Season.
If we can’t move Rashford on then I’m good with him being back up to let’s just say Gyokeres or Osimhen as the striker we bring in as for all his shortcomings Rashford is a better player than Hojlund is, whether Rashford and Amorim can get on or Rashford would accept a squad role is a different story and discussion.
Like seriously, is he gone yet?
He really needs to move on for his own mental health and the progression of the club. I’ve nothing against the guy and I’m totally indifferent to wherever he goes to play really. Why do people still yap about last season like he would have contributed to much here anyway if he had stayed and not gone to Villa. Have you all learnt nothing?
All the best to him but both parties need a clean break.
He really needs to move on for his own mental health and the progression of the club. I’ve nothing against the guy and I’m totally indifferent to wherever he goes to play really. Why do people still yap about last season like he would have contributed to much here anyway if he had stayed and not gone to Villa. Have you all learnt nothing?
All the best to him but both parties need a clean break.
Ego is the reason. Why would he want to reduce his wages to join another club if he feels that he is elite? He wants something that alot of clubs are not willing to offer which high wages and playing weekly. Most clubs feel he is a good backup or rotational piece so that why there is no takers. No clubs wants to sign him for those wages and he doesn't want to sign for play 2nd fiddle. He will join another team on loan with United subsiding part of his wages and eventually leaves on free, just like Lingard.
That’s obviously complete nonsense. Unless you’re talking about next season? In which case, fair enough.
There’s a lot more moving parts than Marcus Rashford when it comes to where the team finishes in the table. His “mistake” was hoping that young players could step up and make up for the absence of a player who was badly underperforming despite being paid more than almost every other player in the league. We’ve learned a lot about Hojlund this season but we already knew what we needed to know about Rashford. Now the club/manager finally have a proper transfer window to try and build a decent team without him we’ll find out whether it was the right idea to plan for a future without him. But the jury is still out.
I have a plan...
Tell Ahl-Hilal to change team name to Barcelona FCC and hope Rashford wont notice until he signs that it is the wrong team.
Tell Ahl-Hilal to change team name to Barcelona FCC and hope Rashford wont notice until he signs that it is the wrong team.
Other than 'Rashy wearing two watches", any other news?
I think the biggest reason for the lack of interest is his salary, he still has I think 3 years on his deal and is on £300k+ per week. Not many teams can afford that and none of them would risk signing Rashford and having him mope about at their club as well.
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Yeah absolutely bang on
If he manages to go from 15th to 5th in a single season, he absolutely deserves to stay.
But being realistic, I don't see how a manager can take us up 10 places.
I just don't think Amorim is cut out to manage in the EPL for a top club. Same for Ole. Same for ETH.
From his perspective, I would advise him not to move.
I think his best years are behind him and as such, he should ride out his current contract, earn big money and use that money to make investments for the future.
In 3 years when his contract expires, he'll be a free agent and he'll once again, be able to command a big wage, as there is no transfer fee to pay.
We saw what happened to Lingard - he left the club and he fizzled out into nothing. I think Rashford might go the same way, so he needs to milk the high paying cow for as long as they will keep paying him.
From the perspective of the club, they should do whatever it takes to get rid of him. He is basically useless. Come to an agreement to pay off half his contract and he can look for another club without a transfer fee, immediately.
Even though he was seriously underperforming? How can the jury be out on planning for a future without such a player?
Fair point. I really mean the jury is out on the manager. He’s identified Rashford as someone who won’t get the team where it needs to be. But it remains to be seen if he’s able to identify/bring through a player who can do for us what Rashford did, only better.
I dont see any way back for him at Utd, so what do you think will happen? Which of these two outcomes seems more probable to you? 1) Loan moves for the remainder of his contract (3 seasons) with Utd subsidizing part of his wages, 2) A loan to Barca this summer and he magically rediscovers his form in La Liga, score goals and earns a permanent move next summer
He and Sancho will dig their heels in and go on loans in the end of the window.
There's a lot of truth in this i'm afraid.
Our inability to permanently transfer Sancho and Rashford is concerning for the club rebuild.
Rashford is 100% part of the problem at this club. I love the guy, but he's been a crap footballer for years now. It's got nothing to do with motivation or crap Management. He's just finished as a serious footballer.
Its all good to say things like the managers we have had are not cut out in hindsight... I bet you believed the same about Slot?
Ofcourse a manager can take us up 10 places... Chelsea went from finishing 12th to winning the league.
Very interesting comment!
What's not to love about a guy forcing a Tory Government to pay for kids to have free food? He's a great lad. But let's not kid ourselves, he's 27 years old and he's only scored more than 11 PL goals in a season twice. He's not looked like he's enjoyed playing football for years.
Beyond PR, his free school meals campaign is one of the most impactful social justice initiatives. He deserves full recognition and appreciation for this work.
Concerning yes, but will not stop the club rebuilding as long as we sell Garnacho and Antony for decent fees.
The free school meals that he allowed his face to be the front of is an amazing thing. Correct.
I don’t love him because of it though because I don’t believe that he deserves any love because of it
I don't see United playing along with that for 3 years to be honest. If he doesn't move for a fee this summer. I could see United trying to get his contract terminated by mutual consent.
If he did move to Barca this summer I see him doing well in Spain.
I also don't love him for that or for anything else for that matter. It seems only @RedSky who loves him
Lets hope one of these scenarios comes true. We need to rebuild this club without the constant distractions surrounding Rashford and Sancho.
You are right but we would be better off without the constant drama surrounding Rashford and Sancho. The sooner we move on from this saga, the better for the club.
I also don't love him for that or for anything else for that matter. It seems only @RedSky who loves him
Clearly, I think you've all just been worn down by the depression of supporting United lately. Understandable.
If it makes you feel any better, I don't love Sancho.
Indifferent start to next season
Amorim sacked
Sir Gareth of Southgate appointed, the 4-2-3-1 is back baby
Rashford re-integrated back into the squad and fires us up the league as his world cup place is on the line
Finish 6th, red waistcoats are the best seller in the club shop
Berrada sacked
Pay the FA to get Ashworth back, he's 'best in class'
Simples.
Amorim sacked
Sir Gareth of Southgate appointed, the 4-2-3-1 is back baby
Rashford re-integrated back into the squad and fires us up the league as his world cup place is on the line
Finish 6th, red waistcoats are the best seller in the club shop
Berrada sacked
Pay the FA to get Ashworth back, he's 'best in class'
Simples.
Surely there would be a Saudi club of some description that would welcome him with open arms and a nice pay check ?
Could not agree more mate!