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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
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Anderson’s winning penalty.
Why would we need other options for him? He's consistently one of our best players
We will win the rest of our league games and get beaten in extra time in this one. That's a good bet considering this season. After all this time the one thing I really miss from our glory days was the consistency. My heart insists it'll be 4-1 to United with a Spurs goal in the first 10 minutes
Right. I'd forgotten that.
We need to start on the front foot and get at their defence. I’ll have a lot more confidence if Amad starts, which he should.
We start on the front foot in maybe 10% of our games and they have beaten us comfortably three times this season. We can't handle their pace. Great to have Shaw and Amad back though.
Comfortably? Under Amorim it was a Carabao cup and howlers from the Altay. And then it was a 1-0 where we actually played quite well and deserved more.
Either of these teams could be 2-0 up with 10 mins to go and lose.
We could be 2-0 down with minutes to go and win too though. Were just weird.
C'mon United!!!
I feel like whichever way this goes, we'll be saying it "wasn't it obvious that's how it would go?"
If we win, it's almost too obvious that serial losers Spurs wouldn't be able to win a highly pressurised final, with the blow of Maddison being injured, with their manager about to be sacked the day after the final no matter the result.
If Spurs win, it's almost too obvious that United cannot physically compete with Premier League sides as they've proved all season, Spurs had our number all season beating us 3 times already and Ange is due a redemption arc after everyone laughed at him when he said "I always win things in my 2nd season".
I really don't know. If we have a fully fit squad I think we'll probably edge it as Amad is a difference maker and we have more players who have won finals before. I feel like our name may have been on the trophy when we made the comeback vs Lyon.
But it also wouldn't surprise me if they run all over us, go 1 or 2 goals up, and then we can't get back into it because we don't have the decisive quality in attack to turn dangerous situations into goals, as has been the problem all season. Similar to our away game vs Spurs in the league.
If we win, it's almost too obvious that serial losers Spurs wouldn't be able to win a highly pressurised final, with the blow of Maddison being injured, with their manager about to be sacked the day after the final no matter the result.
If Spurs win, it's almost too obvious that United cannot physically compete with Premier League sides as they've proved all season, Spurs had our number all season beating us 3 times already and Ange is due a redemption arc after everyone laughed at him when he said "I always win things in my 2nd season".
I really don't know. If we have a fully fit squad I think we'll probably edge it as Amad is a difference maker and we have more players who have won finals before. I feel like our name may have been on the trophy when we made the comeback vs Lyon.
But it also wouldn't surprise me if they run all over us, go 1 or 2 goals up, and then we can't get back into it because we don't have the decisive quality in attack to turn dangerous situations into goals, as has been the problem all season. Similar to our away game vs Spurs in the league.
I’m convinced we will win this. Even if Spurs were 3rd I would be, the fact they’re somehow below us makes me even more certain. We’ve got players who have been there before. I don’t normally jinx us but I think we’ll win. Even if we don’t I don’t think it’s the big deal people make out. I don’t mind Spurs, quite like Ange, and it’d be funny if Arsenal are on the longest trophy drought in the big 6. People also massively overrate the need for CL qualification.
A soundbite to others but probably incredibly important to that team. He'll have those players believing big time now.
Good players in sh*t system vs sh*t players in good system... alright, but... which is which??
I think Garnacho should start up top against that Spurs high line. Højlund has offered little to nowt and the stakes are too high to just run him out again in blind faith. Amad and Bruno behind Garnacho seems a much safer bet.
Stakes are too high so let’s play a winger who can’t finish up front ? Make it make sense
Better than starting with Højlund ? That’s all I got.
Does anyone know where the United fans congregated for the away leg of the semi-final??
Mainly so I can avoid it and enjoy some Pintxos and good beer and wine?
Mainly so I can avoid it and enjoy some Pintxos and good beer and wine?
There's a triangle in the old town which is pretty cool. Probably far from fans
I'm not. But that's my point. Betting against a United win has been steady money over the last few seasons. We don't know how this squad will turn up at any given time and the way this season has panned out a sneaky tenner on it isn't necessarily wasted. I couldn't justify putting say 1000 on United for the final, that's a risky bet. 100 on each of our remaining league games to get the blood pumping is doable.
It's heads or tails with this club, even if the coin is weighted. I used to double my stake every month backing this club. I stopped a few years ago because I didn't (in my own head) want to jinx us.
They shouldn’t be favourites though. Like Carragher said we’ve got experience of lifting trophy’s they haven’t and that could play a part. Nerves could get the better of them.
Yeah, Bilbao fan recommended that area too (think it’s called Casco Viejo) but I noticed that there was a large plaza in the middle and immediately thought United would try and infiltrate it
Off late I expect us to lose every PL game we play whether it's home or away, but for some reason I am very confident about this one. Although it's a PL opposition I feel it being a different competition and a final makes it a whole different ball game. I feel we are a much better team if we have the squad that was available for Bilbao for this game. We have more weapons in attack, we have more experience, we have more depth, we know how to win finals, we are simply better than Spurs. I just cannot see us losing this.
"Did you win the Champions League?"
"Yes..."
"What did it cost?"
"Everything..."
goals have been the issue all season of course.
But they really worry me in this final
Spurs have similarly had a terrible season but playing without their first choice back for long periods.
Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie are all however now available and been getting minutes in their legs over the last few weeks.
I just can’t see a goal in open play. I hope I’m wrong
We need to get our best players out there and let them take care of it.
If fit:
Onana (sigh)
De Ligt
Maguire
Yoro
Shaw
Mazraoui
Ugarte (Mainoo is better, but legs)
Casemiro
Amad
Mount
Bruno (False 9 like FA Cup final)
This team gives us lots of flexibility depending on which way the wind blows.
Garnacho, Mainoo and Hojlund all the obvious bench options. I’m not really having Dorgu at this point.
If fit:
Onana (sigh)
De Ligt
Maguire
Yoro
Shaw
Mazraoui
Ugarte (Mainoo is better, but legs)
Casemiro
Amad
Mount
Bruno (False 9 like FA Cup final)
This team gives us lots of flexibility depending on which way the wind blows.
Garnacho, Mainoo and Hojlund all the obvious bench options. I’m not really having Dorgu at this point.
They have a better XI than us, on that basis they should be favourites.
They do?
I disagree
really unfortunate de Ligt most likely won't play
how's their attack been this season?
my only hope is Amorim tactically outsmarts Ange
how's their attack been this season?
my only hope is Amorim tactically outsmarts Ange
Drop Hojlund, play Bruno as a false 9. Play Amad and Garnacho either side/just behind?
I just can’t help but feel as shite as they have been, they have our number this season.
I have them down as favourites.
I don't have much confidence in our side when we're up against PL opposition.
I don't have much confidence in our side when we're up against PL opposition.
They are also below us in the league. So on that basis they shouldn’t.
This is my only hope too really. They are renowned bottle jobs and have zero winning experience. United still have a better silverware reckon than Arsenal and Spurs combined since Fergie left, and even this bunch have proven they’ve got that winning mentality in big games what with the last ditch turnarounds.
As has been mentioned a lot though, there’s a reason Spurs have beaten us 3 times this season. We can’t cope with them physically, so we need to take a different route.
I wanna see lots of technical players on the pitch, we’ve not got physicality in midfield anymore since McT left, Hojlund is basically a quavers packet, and De Ligt is injured. So let’s just play them off the park with Yoro, Bruno, Mount, Diallo etc
You’d think after the last few games against them he’d have an idea what needs to be done. But alls it can take is individual mistakes. We seen that in a game against them earlier in the season. Both of us gifted goals with mistakes.
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