Sadly that does not seem to the case for the teams we are playing against. During the Sky coverage yesterday they showed us as being near the top in terms of goals allowed from corners. And that was before Everton scored, as well.
Manchester United will never score from a corner ever again
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I would say over the past ten years we have ended up playing the ball back to our own goalkeeper from a corner kick than we have have actually scored from one
We’re joint 2nd for the highest number of goals conceded from a corner.
It's actually far worse than that, I did some digging around the stats.
We are second to Villa but they have defended almost 50 more corners than us.
Statistically, United are by far the worst team in the league defending corners.
We concede from 7.3% of corners, the league average is 3.7%.
Even excluding the yesterday's goal, we are an still an outlier.
| Team | Played | Corners Conceded | Goals Conceded from Corners | % Corners into goals conceded |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Man United | 17 | 82 | 6 | 7.32% |
| Aston Villa | 17 | 130 | 7 | 5.38% |
| Chelsea | 17 | 56 | 3 | 5.36% |
| Everton | 17 | 75 | 4 | 5.33% |
| West Ham | 17 | 94 | 5 | 5.32% |
| Wolves | 17 | 87 | 4 | 4.60% |
| Norwich | 17 | 132 | 6 | 4.55% |
| Man City | 17 | 45 | 2 | 4.44% |
| Crystal Palace | 16 | 99 | 4 | 4.04% |
| Arsenal | 17 | 105 | 4 | 3.81% |
| Brighton | 16 | 88 | 3 | 3.41% |
| Newcastle | 17 | 122 | 4 | 3.28% |
| Watford | 17 | 96 | 3 | 3.13% |
| Southampton | 17 | 108 | 3 | 2.78% |
| Bournemouth | 17 | 112 | 3 | 2.68% |
| Burnley | 17 | 96 | 2 | 2.08% |
| Sheffield United | 17 | 98 | 2 | 2.04% |
| Leicester | 17 | 67 | 1 | 1.49% |
| Liverpool | 17 | 81 | 1 | 1.23% |
| Tottenham | 17 | 97 | 1 | 1.03% |
Good job we spent 80 million on Maguire
Blaming Maguire is a bit silly, he can't mark everyone.
In reality, we have a goalkeeper who likes to stick to his goal line, and very few dominant aerial players in defence, never mind the rest of the team. I don't think our planning is great, either. Just yesterday I noticed Fred marking Michael Keane, for instance.
In reality, we have a goalkeeper who likes to stick to his goal line, and very few dominant aerial players in defence, never mind the rest of the team. I don't think our planning is great, either. Just yesterday I noticed Fred marking Michael Keane, for instance.
Yeah wtf was that all about. Also seen him marking 6ft 5in Yerry Mina, how is that allowed to happen
Nice threadjack.
Fred, Shaw and AWB marking Mina, C-L and Keane of their corner goal
terrible organisation fro the defence.He's the one player who can actually head it.Good job we spent 80 million on Maguire
Exactly. There is plenty of blame to go around.
We have Fred, Shaw, and AWB as man markers, starting around penalty spot. Our better headers are on 6 yard line, maybe to protect De Gea and to attack the ball.
In theory they should be able to attack the ball and be moving away from our goal as they do that.
In reality (because DeGea can't command balls into 6 yard box) the ball is coming on top of them. These guys are are static, while the opposition (DCL, Keane, Mina, Otemendi) get a running start.
Who is to blame?
Ole/coaches for the set up.
De Gea for being poor commanding his area.
Fred, Shaw, AWB for not impeding the runners, they can't be expected to actually compete when they are so outmatched physically. But yesterday they gave them a free run.
Maguire, Lindelof, McT for not attacking the ball coming into their zones. But they are at severe disadvantage due to reasons above.
The amount of issues means blame has to go to sideline.
Another potential issue could be our defenders practice against the likes of Lingard, Martial, and Rashford every day, which isn't exactly testing them aerially.
Tbh, I did get what he was talking. Even that goal I mentioned wasn't the typical "whip it and head it in" directly from the corner.
When we take them, the tekkers are all wrong, poor trajectories, balls being lofted towards Maguire (the most predictable routine).
Obviously the percentages are low even for the best set piece teams but I don't understand how we completely suck at it.
As shown by the huge threat he has been upto now
It's soooo obvious he's the only one that can possibly head it, that's he's tightly marked.
Plus the deliveries have been terrible too.
I agree with the thread title
I agree with your post.
I agree with your reply.
Watching us try and float the ball onto Maguire's head (or absolutely smash it at him for variety) from every single corner, whilst the oppo have half their team marking him, and the likes of martial are sat down on the edge of the penalty area picking their noses, it did make feel that we should just kick it out directly for a corner to them. Then we can look more dangerous on the counter attack. Although the stats above have put a kybosh on that idea.
It might actually be the thing that winds me up the most about our summer business. We signed fecking Maguire - one of the most aerially dominant CBs in the league who was a goal threat at his former club, and we're halfway through the season and h hasn't scored a single fecking goal for us. I genuinely thought Maguire would score 5-6 goals this season. It's quite pathetic. Even when Jose had assembled his Team Of Giants, we lacked anyone who could consistently make that size advantage mean anything.
Yeah Pally got a bollocking from SAF for saying they'd been practising corners all week 5 minutes after SAF had told the worlds media they hadn't
Our chances of scoring from a corner will improve after Maguire stops committing fouls almost every time he goes forward.
Maguire had that golden chance against Newcastle, not sure if it was direct or he was just staying up after a set piece but it was point blank range.
I'd say our deliveries have improved slightly in the last 3-5 games but we need players who can actually do it. Said when we got Maguire it is criminal how no-one in the squad can deliver a dead ball and we weren't looking to buy anyone that could and the result is there to see half way through the season.
I'd say our deliveries have improved slightly in the last 3-5 games but we need players who can actually do it. Said when we got Maguire it is criminal how no-one in the squad can deliver a dead ball and we weren't looking to buy anyone that could and the result is there to see half way through the season.
may as well take them short. It's not even like our players get on the end of them.
Always thought Smalling was quite dangerous during the corner scenarios. He used to get a few either directly from the corner or after the 2nd ball was whipped in. Dunno why Maguire hasn't scored yet. I feel he has a few glaring opportunities to but, has missed them.
He has to put his hands in GK face since it is allowed now.
They were. Very pleasing. I still remember the quiet in Anfield when the first one hit the net, then the anger as Becks let a mighty 'YES' out of him at the Kop. Pally didn't score many but they were gems.
Double yup to this.
We're basically telegraphing every set piece with the hope of getting a direct chance from the first ball. It's fecking stupid. Why don't we mix it up with short balls, one-two's before a straight cross, short corners etc to work the angle and get the opposing team on their feet before it goes it?
Set pieces and corners are not about trying to head it up directly straight from the spot. It's about trying to score and you won't do that if you've set the team up to with that 'all or nothing' mentality.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this but it's also why we are so suspectible to the counter attack on the corner's too. We'll deliver a ball into the box with 90% of the team aiming to go for it when we should be having people aiming for the 2nd/3rd ball or near/far post.
Can you do this for corners taken too? Nice work.
No problem, I still had the data, but it does not include Monday night's game.
We are slightly below the league average of 3.65%
| Team | Played | Corners Taken | Goals from Corners | Conversion Rate(%) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Burnley | 17 | 85 | 6 | 7.06% |
| Bournemouth | 17 | 91 | 6 | 6.59% |
| Newcastle | 17 | 57 | 3 | 5.26% |
| Liverpool | 17 | 102 | 5 | 4.90% |
| West Ham | 17 | 82 | 4 | 4.88% |
| Aston Villa | 17 | 85 | 4 | 4.71% |
| Arsenal | 17 | 128 | 6 | 4.69% |
| Leicester | 17 | 119 | 5 | 4.20% |
| Everton | 17 | 105 | 4 | 3.81% |
| Tottenham | 17 | 81 | 3 | 3.70% |
| Norwich | 17 | 82 | 3 | 3.66% |
| Southampton | 17 | 85 | 3 | 3.53% |
| Wolves | 17 | 92 | 3 | 3.26% |
| Man United | 17 | 97 | 3 | 3.09% |
| Brighton | 16 | 69 | 2 | 2.90% |
| Man City | 17 | 153 | 4 | 2.61% |
| Sheffield United | 17 | 93 | 2 | 2.15% |
| Chelsea | 17 | 104 | 2 | 1.92% |
| Crystal Palace | 16 | 74 | 0 | 0.00% |
| Watford | 17 | 86 | 0 | 0.00% |
Oh Jeez! You have a point here. We're terrible from set pieces and corners and have been so for a long time. I don't know if we do train on them @ Carrington but i think we don't look like scoring one for more time to come. What's worse, we cannot even defend from corners/set pieces and concede from them more often. I think we cannot have Fred take the corners, i think Rashford should do it every time.
There's no way we train them... might as well take short corners every time as we suck at crossing it in.
We mustn't do. As evidenced at both ends of the pitch.
We've scored 3 goals from corners this season apparently. Surely they were short corners? I can't remember us scoring from a crossed corner in literally years.
Was thinking that I only remember 1
Twas the same in Fergies day. Vidic was dangerous in his first few seasons though but then seemed to lose it. Stam never threatened with all his height and power and Ferdinand only headed when he absolutely had to. It became so bad I remember Evra and Heinze trying to make something happen.
We actually are bad at taking and defending corners. Gotta love data. Something for the squad to work on.
Bump.
I know complaining about goals after recent results might be ridiculous, but when was the last time we scored from a corner?
We have some big lads in the team and not only we do not score from corners, but hardly ever we get to the ball and have a shot on goal. Looks like our only plan is to cross the ball at far post in hope that Maguire somehow squeeze it into the net or flick it to another player. Also if Bruno would add a little more power to these crosses it would be harder for defenders to head them away and mark our players.
It's still better than the infamous short corners we had or Phil Jones taking them, but I think we should improve in that department as it might prove to be essential in tight games.
I know complaining about goals after recent results might be ridiculous, but when was the last time we scored from a corner?
We have some big lads in the team and not only we do not score from corners, but hardly ever we get to the ball and have a shot on goal. Looks like our only plan is to cross the ball at far post in hope that Maguire somehow squeeze it into the net or flick it to another player. Also if Bruno would add a little more power to these crosses it would be harder for defenders to head them away and mark our players.
It's still better than the infamous short corners we had or Phil Jones taking them, but I think we should improve in that department as it might prove to be essential in tight games.
Is it the deliveries or the attacking?
I don't think Bruno has put in a really good corner yet even though he's done so well everywhere else.
I don't think Bruno has put in a really good corner yet even though he's done so well everywhere else.