Pughnichi
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Yesis he actually any better than McTominay?
I mean is he?
McT is shit
Yesis he actually any better than McTominay?
I mean is he?
How much did Joao Neves cost PSG?
Nois he actually any better than McTominay?
I mean is he?
Will Ugarte get an easier chance to strut his stuff than against fecking Twente? If this limp performance was against Real Madrid, okay. But this was against a minnow, and he still looked shorn of ideas and skill.On top of that members have written him off after 2 games
When he came on in the weekend, his role and passing was very much like Carrick imo.He is just so obviously a systems player.
He is there to do a job - defend the opposition attack from reaching the back line.
He isn't there to pass the ball around like Carrick.
This is what I see too. He tried 3 or 4 passes last night that were the right ones to split the lines, but failed each time and gave away possession, somewhat dangerously.My description of him is he knows how to play football, has good instincts (how to move off the ball, where to pass when on the ball). However, the way he actually executes this is average. I think that's OK considering he's getting up to speed, but I'm not sure if he's really a upgrade on anyone in the squad.
Surely if Casemiro was told to play it safe like Ugarte, he'd be producing similar level of performances at least?
We should probably aim to have 3 players to build, the AM needs to be more of a midfielder too, especially since Mainoo seems earily capable of being a threat. I don't know who that 3rd midfielder is but I can surely tell you who isn't.This is what I see too. He tried 3 or 4 passes last night that were the right ones to split the lines, but failed each time and gave away possession, somewhat dangerously.
He needs someone next to him, but Bruno is always closer to the opposition keeper, and Eriksen wasn't deep either.
We should be having 2 players back there to build, prolly Mainoo or Case with Ugarte.
I agree that it was a poor performance, but writing him off after two games is just so fecking absurd you just have got to laugh. Do you even take yourself seriously?Will Ugarte get an easier chance to strut his stuff than against fecking Twente? If this limp performance was against Real Madrid, okay. But this was against a minnow, and he still looked shorn of ideas and skill.
I was always of the opinion that Casemiro is actually an 8, because he does most of his good work higher up the pitch for us. I wouldn't actually mind Ugarte, Case and Mainoo.We should probably aim to have 3 players to build, the AM needs to be more of a midfielder too, especially since Mainoo seems earily capable of being a threat. I don't know who that 3rd midfielder is but I can surely tell you who isn't.
For now I'd give Ugarte a very limited role as a defensive midfielder with limited offensive duties, and surround him with two players good at progressing the ball. Casemiro, Mainoo, Mount, I don't know the combination, but I truly believe in Casemiro in midfield as long as he's not the deepest in there.I was always of the opinion that Casemiro is actually an 8, because he does most of his good work higher up the pitch for us. I wouldn't actually mind Ugarte, Case and Mainoo.
You're not making a case, you're just making your own argument look worse. To repeat: this was possibly the lowest level opposition Ugarte has faced in years, and he did not shine.I agree that it was a poor performance, but writing him off after two games is just so fecking absurd you just have got to laugh. Do you even take yourself seriously?
He was very poor with the ball, defensively he was alright, but there was that really nice intricate pass to Mainoo in the Twente box, that Kobbie should have done better with. You should take into account that these are completely new team mates and he has had no pre season. Not everyone can be a Mazraoui.
Agreed, if he's not exposed defending large spaces, he still has a lot of quality to bring to our midfield.For now I'd give Ugarte a very limited role as a defensive midfielder with limited offensive duties, and surround him with two players good at progressing the ball. Casemiro, Mainoo, Mount, I don't know the combination, but I truly believe in Casemiro in midfield as long as he's not the deepest in there.
Here's a case: remember Evra and Vidic? You probably don't remember when we signed them, but you'd absolutely fecking loathe their performances. Thankfully, you were not in charge. Ødegaard was struggling in Eredivisie in a lot of games, now he is one of the best PL players and a top playmaker in the world.You're not making a case, you're just making your own argument look worse. To repeat: this was possibly the lowest level opposition Ugarte has faced in years, and he did not shine.
Oh you're clever. But trying to discuss this with you is like trying to get a pig to sing. Ciao.Here's a case: remember Evra and Vidic? You probably don't remember when we signed them, but you'd absolutely fecking loathe their performances. Thankfully, you were not in charge. Ødegaard was struggling in Eredivisie in a lot of games, now he is one of the best PL players and a top playmaker in the world.
You think football is that easy, huh? They are a professional football team, do you expect him to be magical because they are a much inferior football team than us?
You're not making a case, you're just making your own argument look worse. To repeat: this was possibly the lowest level opposition Ugarte has faced in years, and he did not shine.
Ugarte was by no means the worst player on the pitch. He does not seem to be very good at passing the ball to a teammate, however.What could possibly be the case is the low tempo style united played isn't the best to shine in. No one stood out, they all looked like poor versions of themselves. If he still looks mediocre in a more uptempo game then there's problems.
These Europa league group games are an absolute shit show every season.
That poster who kept saying it would be like playing Bissaka in midfield might have been on to something.
I dream of a controlling midfielder who's comfortable taking the ball from our centre-backs, actively positions himself to receive the ball when we have possession and enjoys dictating play.
Imagine seeing a United midfielder with 100 passes in a game....even once. I think I'd cry with joy.
I found it more than a little strange that some Utd fans were pushing and hoping for AWB and McT to be moved in large part due to their technical limitations but also crying out for Ugarte despite some concerns that he was lacking in those same areas.
Neves was my dream signing. He will be one of the world's best midfielders in just a few years. Outrageously talented, and he was there for the taking. €60m or something, wasn't it? He should have been priority over Leny Yoro.Yeah, a lot of us have talked about this ad-nauseum over the summer. We all knew what we are getting, a limited DM.
Now a lot of folks here think that's what we need. I thought we needed a more balanced player, and talks of no such player existing is rubbish.
People have already started the "need X player to unlock him", while this just could have been solved by getting midfielders who are comfortable with the ball(#6 or #8).
Neves in Ugarte out, was a masterstroke by PSG.
I totally agree. Its obvious Mendes had a big role to play in this transfer, dont think this transfer happens if he was not a Mendes client. Sad that it wasnt for Neves instead.Neves was my dream signing. He will be one of the world's best midfielders in just a few years. Outrageously talented, and he was there for the taking. €60m or something, wasn't it? He should have been priority over Leny Yoro.
I've always felt a lot of United signings are driven by agents sensing opportunities for their clients and the club obliging. I think Mount and Casemiro also fall under the same category despite all the leaks about them being targets for the club from the beginning.I totally agree. Its obvious Mendes had a big role to play in this transfer, dont think this transfer happens if he was not a Mendes client. Sad that it wasnt for Neves instead.
Lets see him play a few more times before completely writing him off though.
Have to agree. Sad really and what happened to the narrative of 'bedding in', it's his first season to the country, league, language, club, coach, team, style of play etc...?Ah the old RedCafe hype cycle. New player joins the club and is the solution to all our problems. We don't immediately, magically improve overnight and suddenly he's "no better than Scott McTominay".
There's one major problem with this squad and it's ten Hag. Let's judge them when they have a competent coach.
Have to agree. Sad really and what happened to the narrative of 'bedding in', it's his first season to the country, league, language, club, coach, team, style of play etc...?
Yep, why indeed....Why would people give players a chance to bed in when it means missing the chance to crow on the internet about being right when they said we shouldn't have signed them?
Instead, do your crowing after two games and then go quiet if/when you're proven wrong.
This is one of my major bugbears on this forum and I have been a pedant about pulling people up on it.Why would people give players a chance to bed in when it means missing the chance to crow on the internet about being right when they said we shouldn't have signed them?
Instead, do your crowing after two games and then go quiet if/when you're proven wrong.
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