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Can we just stop this? We weren't in for Neves, did not fund the Neves transfer as it happened before, and there's absolutely zero point comparing United fees and PSG fees to begin with.PSG improved their midfield significantly by selling Ugarte and then buying Neves for basically the same price.
That’s fair. But my general point still stands.Can we just stop this? We weren't in for Neves, did not fund the Neves transfer as it happened before, and there's absolutely zero point comparing United fees and PSG fees to begin with.
United is a standalone entity, the entire worth of a transfer gets registered. With PSG, City and such all we know is how much the selling club got. Mendes wedge, signing on bonuses and all that can be worked through sovereign funds, sponsorships from controlled entities and so on.
As I keep saying ANYONE would look rubbish in our current team structure as we have none. The other game Ugarte was playing as the advanced CM which is not his game at all.I really hate this mentality. £50m is a significant outlay. PSG improved their midfield significantly by selling Ugarte and then buying Neves for basically the same price. The fact that they were so willing to part with Ugarte only a year after signing him should’ve been a red flag for us. Not that I expect every signing to be a world beater or that it’s all about missing out on Neves. But Sander Berge went for less than half that price this summer and would’ve improved us the same or more than Ugarte IMO.
But none of this is the fault of the player and again as I said Ugarte is easy to root for as he works so hard for the team and his physicality is something we were missing in midfield. And to be clear I’m not going after you specifically but rather the mindset that such an outlay is insignificant. The point is that we should be doing much better with our signings. We can’t throw money around the way we used to, especially now with PSR in place. We need to be much more shrewd in the market going forward.
Casemiro has looked class in that structure. It’s a fair point though and I think it’s ridiculous Mainoo is being singled out so at the moment for that same reason. Again I’m not really on Ugarte’s back here so much as saying we need to be maximizing our returns in the market pound for pound.As I keep saying ANYONE would look rubbish in our current team structure as we have none. The other game Ugarte was playing as the advanced CM which is not his game at all.
Without doubt, these next 4 or 5 signings are going all need to be successes.Casemiro has looked class in that structure. It’s a fair point though and I think it’s ridiculous Mainoo is being singled out so at the moment for that same reason. Again I’m not really on Ugarte’s back here so much as saying we need to be maximizing our returns in the market pound for pound.
It was odd but I think he still starts on Thursday. He may have just been the only player who wasn't close the "red zone", and maybe all the times he's been subbed off previously made him more suitable to play this game and give others a rest. May have just prioritised giving Casemiro and Bruno a full rest.Great performance but the fact he played the full 90 (which hardly ever happens) must mean he’s benched on Thursday. I hope we don’t regret that. When he plays like he did yesterday he’s a great player to have in the team if you need to protect a lead.
Yep. I've agreed with a lot of the criticisms and posts about Ugarte, but people calling him slow has always puzzled me. His pace seems comfortably above average for a central midfielder, if not outright fast.The comments I've read this season suggesting Ugarte is slow have always baffled me. He definitely covers ground well.
His fitness is weird, struggles to put back to back games together and when he is not physically sharp he looks awfully limited.
Cas is still levels above him.
He was shocking but the bolded is a good point. Didn't consciously notice it before but it make senses as he was a one man midfield against Brentford not that it excuses his bottom level showing tonight.
Aye, but when you’re struggling to control a game, you have to look at the midfield first. Moving Bruno back usually gives us exactly what we lack when he’s not there. It’s really hard to see what we’ve gained for a fee like that.The whole team was terrible whilst he was on the pitch, not just Ugarte, who was very poor today. He’d have looked better if he was on when we took over the game I’m sure.
What makes you think he’s an Amorim player? I would imagine Amorim used plenty of players at Sporting who he wouldn’t want at United.Why is he playing like this when he is an Amorim player?
We lack any ability to be calm when he is in midfield.
He does have obvious strengths but his weaknesses are really starting to stick out
You could argue we took over the game due to him coming off. He was awful tonight, game passed him by and offered little to zero protection to our defence, there were so many gaps in midfield.The whole team was terrible whilst he was on the pitch, not just Ugarte, who was very poor today. He’d have looked better if he was on when we took over the game I’m sure.
I’d say it was more Amad and Mount coming on, it could have been Ugarte or Casemiro coming off to let Bruno move back to CM. But I agree he needs to be doing better.You could argue we took over the game due to him coming off. He was awful tonight, game passed him by and offered little to zero protection to our defence, there were so many gaps in midfield.
Still, I like him for some reason but he needs to step it up. Not great on the ball, always seems to be rushed and hot headed.
Bit concerning that his intensity has to be dialed up to 100% at all times for him to be effective. Also explains how he drops off as games progress and has been subbed so often, not having top level ball playing ability to fall back on when his energy drops or an effective way to pace himself through matches is going to have to be fixed for him to be a long term option at Utd.
Psg let him go for being limited on the ball and we picked him up for a fortune. If he was a below 25m transfer to help us close games down he wouldnt be such a bad transfer.He is just too limited on the ball. Another player for who every fan knew that and still club decided to splash a fortune on that.
I don't mind having him for rotation but he should not be a starter next year.
Spurs played Bentacur and Bisoumma tonight... that is where the final will be won or lost midfield. Huge decision to make.Big decision for Amorim to make with this guy and the final. He covers a lot of ground and Spurs play with a mobile midfield, but we just play better with Bruno deeper in midfield. Ugarte isn’t offering enough in that sense.
It’s a tricky one for the manager. Might be a bit better defensively with Ugarte but we pass the ball better with Bruno and we can get another 10 on the pitch.
Big decision for Amorim to make with this guy and the final. He covers a lot of ground and Spurs play with a mobile midfield, but we just play better with Bruno deeper in midfield. Ugarte isn’t offering enough in that sense.
It’s a tricky one for the manager. Might be a bit better defensively with Ugarte but we pass the ball better with Bruno and we can get another 10 on the pitch.
Ugarte also plays a lot better when he is fresh. He played the 90 against Brentford after starting the last few, wasn't surprised that he looked leggy and had a heavy touch today. Tends to happen with him. He was sharp against Brentford so he's definitely capable of it.Big decision for Amorim to make with this guy and the final. He covers a lot of ground and Spurs play with a mobile midfield, but we just play better with Bruno deeper in midfield. Ugarte isn’t offering enough in that sense.
It’s a tricky one for the manager. Might be a bit better defensively with Ugarte but we pass the ball better with Bruno and we can get another 10 on the pitch.
I'd expect most to wonder whether we would have taken over the game then. Which is fair as we've done this a few times lately: sub him out and loosen up in the second half, taking the game over against tired legs.The whole team was terrible whilst he was on the pitch, not just Ugarte, who was very poor today. He’d have looked better if he was on when we took over the game I’m sure.
