[Dan_F]

Considering zero football was being played and our midfield was just getting kicked to shit all game, I'm shocked he didn't play a minute.

We had absolutely no problem winning the ball back. We needed creativity and Bruno/Casemiro offer far more of that than Ugarte. It’s not shocking at all. He’s probably the worst of our summer purchases when you consider cost vs output and what we could get back from a buying team.

 

[Idxomer]

We had absolutely no problem winning the ball back. We needed creativity and Bruno/Casemiro offer far more of that than Ugarte. It’s not shocking at all. He’s probably the worst of our summer purchases when you consider cost vs output and what we could get back from a buying team.

Yeah, I'm not sure what use we could've had for him in the second half. The problem was with creativity; he wouldn't have helped with that. United still needs a midfielder who can pass and carry the ball through the pitch. Yoro was doing that job yesterday, but he's still a defender.

 

[#CR7]

We had absolutely no problem winning the ball back. We needed creativity and Bruno/Casemiro offer far more of that than Ugarte. It’s not shocking at all. He’s probably the worst of our summer purchases when you consider cost vs output and what we could get back from a buying team.

If we needed creativity then why stifle your best attacker in Bruno by playing him as a 6?! Bruno had a shocker. He isn't a central midfielder and never will be. Our most successful partnership this season is Ugarte + Casemiro by a long mile and Amorim decided to be too clever and change this for the final.

 

[DWelbz19]

He’s an Athletico Madrid player if I’ve ever seen one. Surely with his age we can get 30m?

Atletico were interested a year or so ago, but I think their DOF has now left (and joined Arsenal!)

 

[Dan_F]

If we needed creativity then why stifle your best attacker in Bruno by playing him as a 6?! Bruno had a shocker. He isn't a central midfielder and never will be. Our most successful partnership this season is Ugarte + Casemiro by a long mile and Amorim decided to be too clever and change this for the final.

That’s just not true, Bruno has had plenty of great games in midfield. Not least later in games when we needed a goal. Ugarte has been a disaster recently in midfield so I can see why Amorim avoided him.

 

[giorno]

Was he injured? Unfit for some reason? Or did Amorim just tell the club they set 50m plus wages on fire(and sold maybe the team's most reliable goalscorer to finance it too)

 

[Fortitude]

He is an okay player. He does have his uses. If we need to sell him, there will definitely be suitors. So im not worried either way. But he will never be starting 11 material. Personally I’d keep him as a squad option.

Not for anything like we paid. His sale price will represent the price we should have paid. Even then, I don’t know how many red flags need to be flashing to not heed that someone who values midfielders over anything else immediately looked to offload a midfielder.

We shouldn’t be talking about a new signing we paid a fortune for in terms of subs bench or “specialist role” or whatever else people use to try and make this signing sound any less worse.

Disastrous recruitment.

 

[Oscar Bonavena]

I know but wasn’t in the summer we hired Amorim? Signing his main CDM at Sporting felt like it had to be part of some plan.

No, we hired Amorim in November after we sacked Ten Hag, mate!

 

[Lash]

We had absolutely no problem winning the ball back. We needed creativity and Bruno/Casemiro offer far more of that than Ugarte. It’s not shocking at all. He’s probably the worst of our summer purchases when you consider cost vs output and what we could get back from a buying team.

as @#CR7 mentioned, he decided to put our most creative player further away from the goal. I agree he's not been very good, but I think our team was playing players out of position, unbalanced and open to counters. I think he would have brought more balance, probably not quality on the ball.

 

[Bwuk]

We should have had a midfield 3 of Casemiro/Ugarte/Bruno with Garnacho & Amad upfront if he wanted to persist with the back 3.

 

[Ezkay]

Don't understand the confusion above, silver lining from yesterday he didn't sniff the pitch yesterday. Maybe Amorim isn't as clueless as I thought, hopefully the next manager makes it a priority for him to be sold

 

[Dan_F]

as @#CR7 mentioned, he decided to put our most creative player further away from the goal. I agree he's not been very good, but I think our team was playing players out of position, unbalanced and open to counters. I think he would have brought more balance, probably not quality on the ball.

Amorim has put Bruno back there plenty when searching for a goal. It’s pointless having Bruno at 10 if no one can get him the ball. I don’t know who else you had as playing out of position but everything else seemed pretty standard to me.

I didn’t see it as you did. I thought Spurs threatened via set pieces and crosses, and didn’t really create much at all. I didn’t feel like we were at risk of getting countered until late in the game.

 

[Lash]

Amorim has put Bruno back there plenty when searching for a goal. It’s pointless having Bruno at 10 if no one can get him the ball. I don’t know who else you had as playing out of position but everything else seemed pretty standard to me.

I didn’t see it as you did. I thought Spurs threatened via set pieces and crosses, and didn’t really create much at all. I didn’t feel like we were at risk of getting countered until late in the game.

I don't think Mount is suited out wide and was pretty ineffective, I'd have preferred them swapped. He got the ball a fair amount, just did nothing with it.

I thought we were lucky Solanke was pretty crap at holding up the ball and couldn't pass, there was obvious moments where a break was on and he fecked it up - just my view though.

 

[Dan_F]

I don't think Mount is suited out wide and was pretty ineffective, I'd have preferred them swapped. He got the ball a fair amount, just did nothing with it.

I thought we were lucky Solanke was pretty crap at holding up the ball and couldn't pass, there was obvious moments where a break was on and he fecked it up - just my view though.

Yeah but Mount also played really well in that position in previous games so it’s not hard to see why Amorim started him.

I thought we defended Solanke well for the most part. There was just one opportunity in the second half where they messed up the final ball.

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

Isn’t he Amorim’s player? I thought we signed partly him due to his success at Sporting under Amorim.

I find it bizarre how a club that hasn’t understood how to control football matches is still signing players with major flaws on the ball. We leant nothing after the AWB signing.

I said when Ineos joined that every signing henceforth needs to be capable of playing possession footy as that’s the only way to raise our standard in this area we are so poor in.

Correct approach. The signing of Dorgu also baffles me. His technical side of football is very average.

 

[Lash]

Yeah but Mount also played really well in that position in previous games so it’s not hard to see why Amorim started him.

I thought we defended Solanke well for the most part. There was just one opportunity in the second half where they messed up the final ball.

Fair point and Ugarte hasn't done anything like Mount to warrant starting.

I think we did defend him well, but I also think looking at how open we were from turnovers, it was pretty last ditch. Anyway, I concede the point overall. I do think Mount deserved to start and would be hard to justify fitting Ugarte in on what he's currently shown.

 

[RuudTom83]

As per usual there is so much over analysis of everything Manchester United.

My guess would be Casemiro and Bruno got the nod over Ugarte last night due to their better goal threat.

Which is why you have a squad innit! no need to make any drama.

 

[Swerny]

We had absolutely no problem winning the ball back. We needed creativity and Bruno/Casemiro offer far more of that than Ugarte. It’s not shocking at all. He’s probably the worst of our summer purchases when you consider cost vs output and what we could get back from a buying team.

That's a shocking comment to me when you consider we paid way more for Rasmus, who did far less, and we would be lucky to sell for 1/3 of his purchase price

 

[Bebe]

As per usual there is so much over analysis of everything Manchester United.

My guess would be Casemiro and Bruno got the nod over Ugarte last night due to their better goal threat.

Which is why you have a squad innit! no need to make any drama.

Stop this reasonable thinking and be more hyperbolic please, you're killing the mood.

 

[Dan_F]

That's a shocking comment to me when you consider we paid way more for Rasmus, who did far less, and we would be lucky to sell for 1/3 of his purchase price

Hojlund wasn’t signed last summer, chill.

 

[Swerny]

Hojlund wasn’t signed last summer, chill.

you're right, my bad.

Chill? Am I heated?

 

[Ekeke]

He's had a dip in recent games. Before that he was doing okay, but still an expensive signing. I dont think he would have added much given we had most of the ball and were trying to break down a team defending a lead. There werent a lot of breakaways for him to mop up the ball and recycle it.

Casemiro's very good form and Bruno being able to play CM are why he isnt starting. They've been 2 of our best 3 players this season along with Amad. Unfortunately Bruno lost the ball too much and his passing wasnt penetrative enough, nor were his crosses good enough to put Spurs under real pressure. When your best player is playing like that Ugarte isnt going to make a difference trying to break down the opposition defence. Perhaps we could have taken off a defender very early and played him from defence, other than that I dont see it.

Overall he's under par for what we paid. Just not as much as some of the others like De Ligt, Zirkzee and Yoro who obviously needs to be given time.

 

[BorisManUtd]

As per usual there is so much over analysis of everything Manchester United.

My guess would be Casemiro and Bruno got the nod over Ugarte last night due to their better goal threat.

Which is why you have a squad innit! no need to make any drama.

Agree. Many wanted Ugarte on the bench for this one and it happened. What lost us the game is not scoring, not having one defensive midfielder less on the pitch.

 

[FrankDrebin]

A £50 million shin kicker.

 

[Ezkay]

Hopefully our next manager is someone who plays a midfield 3. That is where he will be most useful. Where he has only the responsibility of shielding the defence.

The next manager will hopefully look to bin him at his first opportunity. Ugarte has no place playing for any of the top 17 teams in the Premier League. He’s useful for kicking shins and that’s about it, diabolical passer of the ball, can’t dribble, can’t shoot, can’t control a ball

I’m suprised at people being shocked how poor he is. There’s a reason PSG binned at their first opportunity, how Mendes managed to land him a move there and then here I’ll never know

 

[Betson]

Obliviously not rated by the manager , biggest game of the season , we are playing awful and he still does not get a sniff.

 

[gaffs]

Obliviously not rated by the manager , biggest game of the season , we are playing awful and he still does not get a sniff.

And what does it say when the manager used to have him at his former club?

Also, not sure why he can’t seem to finish a game?

 

[Squeaky_Bum_Time]

Obliviously not rated by the manager , biggest game of the season , we are playing awful and he still does not get a sniff.

Not what the game needed at all. Right call not to start him and right call not to bring him on. We had so much of the ball and we needed more creativity, not less of it. A destroyer in midfield who lacks inventive passing wouldn’t have helped.

Amorim made a lot of bad calls vs Spurs, this wasn’t one of them.

 

[MadDogg]

If we needed creativity then why stifle your best attacker in Bruno by playing him as a 6?! Bruno had a shocker. He isn't a central midfielder and never will be. Our most successful partnership this season is Ugarte + Casemiro by a long mile and Amorim decided to be too clever and change this for the final.

Ugarte has been in pretty shit form for a while now. If he was still in good form it might have been different.

 

[Bojan11]

Donny 2.0.

The manager who made him look great doesn’t even rate him at his new club.

 

[Bobski]

He needs to get his fitness right, his tendency to fade in games and how he has struggled to put back to back matches together is a concern, especially at his age, and with his limited play-style.

 

[Cassidy]

Would not surprise me if hes sold

 

[redNATION]

He’ll be a bench player, there’s a reason PSG binned him, nowhere near technically good enough to play in a midfield 2 in the EPL.

 

[El-Manos]

Donny 2.0.

The manager who made him look great doesn’t even rate him at his new club.

He’s a lot better than dvb. Whether he’s good enough to start is another debate

 

[Drainy]

Had a noticeable drop in form before being dropped.

Hopefully will look sharper and stronger for a preseason with us

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Ugarte will no doubt be a useful squad option next season, but he shouldn’t be in the starting XI. While Casemiro is no longer the dominant midfield force he once was, he still possesses a passing range that can carve teams open when he's on song. That ability to dictate tempo and unlock defences is likely what’s tipped the scales in his favour with Amorim, who seems to value that level of experience and vision over Ugarte’s more combative style—for now, at least.

 

[Based Adnan]

Poor signing which half the forum saw coming with the other half just being excited over a new signing

Unless he all of a sudden comes into next season doing things he's never done before in his career, he'll be considered deadweight before the season ends

 

[Irwin99]

Give him one more season. His defensive stats have been pretty good, just advancing the ball has been poor.

 

[Cassidy]

Give him one more season. His defensive stats have been pretty good, just advancing the ball has been poor.

The last part of the sentence is why he should be sold if a good offer comes in. Its also why he was rightly dropped for Casemiro.

He is going to end up a squad player at best next season because Amorim is definitely going to want someone more like Casemiro

 

[GL21]

I think it's unfair to write him off after 1 season, no player in that position would drop into that team and have a positive season. he's young and has some great tenacious qualities. I honestly think we need this type of player going forward. I'd be against selling him and believe his attitude will stand by him. hasn't shown the technical abilities he's capable of but hopefully next year he'll be an important cog in Amorims team towards the good times coming