[Irwin99]

The last part of the sentence is why he should be sold if a good offer comes in. Its also why he was rightly dropped for Casemiro.

Casemiro has outshone him there’s no doubt about that, but he’s still pretty young (24). I don’t feel strongly about it either way, but I guess we’ll see if he gets another year.

Surprised he’s actually got 6 assists this season looking at his stats.

 

[Cassidy]

Casemiro has outshone him there’s no doubt about that, but he’s still pretty young (24). I don’t feel strongly about it either way, but I guess we’ll see if he gets another year.

Surprised he’s actually got 6 assists this season looking at his stats.

He will stay if there are no good offers but he will not be counted on as a starter I think that is clear

Maybe he can work his way back in but he is going to have to improve big time

 

[Bobski]

A concern for me is that his excellent numbers for tackles and interceptions don't actually translate to defensive impact. He chases the ball and is not very good at shielding the defense, needs another DM with a passing range behind him, but if you have that player you don't really need Ugarte.

 

[Yostoed]

Only good thing he's done is realise this guy is garbage albeit too late. Should be sold.

 

[FrankDrebin]

I can picture him playing for Everton.

 

[pocco]

I think he is a squad player at best, with a limited skill set for certain games. The issue with him is that he’s a front foot player who is better pressing the opposition, but then the problem is that he’s not a player you want on the ball when he does win it. A bit of a conundrum really.

On another note, being sold by PSG and then United after only 12 months would be a hammer blow for any player. I think he could find a spot in a specific team and have a good career, but I can’t see it being here. Maybe at a team like Napoli or Atalanta - a slower league where each team likes to press aggressively.

 

[FootyGirl88]

We should sell if a good offer comes in

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

We should sell if a good offer comes in

Which it won't.

The midfield looks a major problem to me, certainly need at least one player there, and has to be a starter.

Just doesn't seem like any combination of Ugarte, Bruno, Mainoo, or Casemiro, really works.

 

[Bestie07]

We should never again sign a midfielder who is not at least very good on the ball.

 

[Amira]

Not for anything like we paid. His sale price will represent the price we should have paid. Even then, I don’t know how many red flags need to be flashing to not heed that someone who values midfielders over anything else immediately looked to offload a midfielder.

We shouldn’t be talking about a new signing we paid a fortune for in terms of subs bench or “specialist role” or whatever else people use to try and make this signing sound any less worse.

Disastrous recruitment.

What’s even more worrying is that from the look of things ETH didn’t want him and this was a club signing.

 

[Amira]

He is a good squad player at best. The 50m price tag is the main issue here. He’s maybe worth half if not less.

 

[GlazersHater]

We should never again sign a midfielder who is not at least very good on the ball.

Hardly any news, we all knew what we where getting and why Luis Enrique didn't liked Ugarte

 

[MaMa given red]

I remember somebody on here describing him as Wan Bissaka in midfield and I think that's pretty accurate.

He's just not a top level player.

It should have been pretty obvious when PSG were happy to let him go after a year.

If you are a serious club you don't sign other big clubs deadwood.

 

[Bastian]

He is a good squad player at best. The 50m price tag is the main issue here. He’s maybe worth half if not less.

Yeah. A specialist player. Like Wan-Bissaka. I'd say 30m maybe. He's rumoured to be on 120K, so it could be worse (given our recent history) for a squad player who is a very good squad player, but not good enough first XI player. I'd sell him though, if the opportunity arose.

 

[Teja]

He is a good squad player at best. The 50m price tag is the main issue here. He’s maybe worth half if not less.

Next to a proper regista like Jorginho, he'd bring the legs. Next to Bruno at CM I think he's still good? The price tag .. as always .. is a bit of on over-pay for us but maybe by 5-10m.

I think there's a way to use him in the starting XI if he had complementary players.

I remember somebody on here describing him as Wan Bissaka in midfield and I think that's pretty accurate.

Lightyears between the two in terms of technical ability and I say that as a guy that like AWB

 

[The Red Devil In A Heaven]

I don't think Ugarte suits a two man midfield; there's too much pressure on him to fall back as the CDM, providing both cover, turning ability and passing creativity which is not really Ugarte's game.

I didn't watch him at PSG but if he was the deep lying CDM then I can see why he was sold.

I think to get the best out of him he needs to play in a midfield 3 as the 2nd midfielder that sits in between a CAM and a DLP. Let him be aggressively chase down the ball like a pitbull and pass it back to the DLP or CAM. He is one of the best ball winners apprently and utlising that ability is how we can get the best use of him.

 

[ROFLUTION]

Still too early to tell with him, I feel. He was pretty decent when he first came here, and gave us some much needed physical attributes and presence in midfield, covering much of the field.

Not impossible he could do that again. Not the worst, if that means Bruno can play midfield and we can play Cunha/Mbeumo or whoever.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

New scape goat found

 

[honirelandboy]

We should never again sign a midfielder who is not at least very good on the ball.

Exactly, how do we keep getting it so wrong.
The difference between Ugarte and someone like Partey or Rice at Arsenal is insane. Even Gravenbach at Liverpool or Caciedo at Chelsea.

Ugarte won’t have us back competing for champions league football. All the giving out about Scott he’s probably a better footballer.

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

Am I the only person on here who really rates him? I think he’s the least of our issues! His form did dip at the season end but then who’s didn’t? Wouldn’t be close to selling him yet.

 

[Frank White]

Am I the only person on here who really rates him? I think he’s the least of our issues! His form did dip at the season end but then who’s didn’t? Wouldn’t be close to selling him yet.

He's the least of our issues because the list of whats wrong at this club is mental. And you could add spending whatever they did on Ugarte to the list of problems seeing as i don't even know if the manager rates him.

Personally think he's decent, like what he does off the ball a lot more then what he does on it which tells a tale.

 

[Irwin99]

Am I the only person on here who really rates him? I think he’s the least of our issues! His form did dip at the season end but then who’s didn’t? Wouldn’t be close to selling him yet.

I think he’s very good at what he does. The problem is that he seems a bit limited with the ball and finding a place for him in the system is tough.

His best performance was at Anfield against Liverpool where he was winning everything in midfield.
His worst performance was against Bilbao where he just had no composure on the ball and was giving away possession for fun (strangely bagged two assists though).

I’d still give him another year.

 

[Teja]

I think he’s very good at what he does. The problem is that he seems a bit limited with the ball and finding a place for him in the system is tough.

His best performance was at Anfield against Liverpool where he was winning everything in midfield.
His worst performance was against Bilbao where he just had no composure on the ball and was giving away possession for fun (strangely bagged two assists though).

I’d still give him another year.

It's all about striking that balance. You can't expect him to do better than average at ball progression and you have to account for that in your tactics. He's best employed as Fred was in his later years - use him as a heatseeking missile, let him run around and put in the challenges and pair him with a good playmaking DM.

So far Bruno + Ugarte is alright but given the general lack of physicality everywhere on the pitch, we can't afford to run that midfield.

 

[Ezkay]

Am I the only person on here who really rates him? I think he’s the least of our issues! His form did dip at the season end but then who’s didn’t? Wouldn’t be close to selling him yet.

He’s one of the worst I’ve ever seen in a red shirt. Frauded his way to PSG via dodgy agent, has a terrible year then frauds his way to Manchester United (where as expected he has another terrible year). I’d bin if we get a £10m offer and give Kone a chance

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

New scape goat found

Yes it's a scapegoat to call the 50m midfielder who doesn't last past 60 minutes a shin kicker

 

[OleGunnar20]

I like Ugarte. He's a specialist destroyer who needs to be used as such really, which Amorim clearly has in the past. I hope he nails down that midfield position next year as we really need to establish some consistency in there, and Case just isn't it anymore.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

Am I the only person on here who really rates him? I think he’s the least of our issues! His form did dip at the season end but then who’s didn’t? Wouldn’t be close to selling him yet.

He's fine, was just a stupid choice of "marquee midfield signing" because he's not even elite at what he does. If he was a Kante level defensive presence then I'd have no issues, but he only wins about half his duels, fouls a shitload, and doesn't pass the ball at all well. He's basically Fred with a bit more defensive discipline but without any of the random brilliance (backheel aside)

 

[Ezkay]

I like Ugarte. He's a specialist destroyer who needs to be used as such really, which Amorim clearly has in the past. I hope he nails down that midfield position next year as we really need to establish some consistency in there, and Case just isn't it anymore.

Casemiro who is way past it is still miles better than Ugarte

What even is a specialist destroyer? Someone who can only kick shins and can’t do anything else. I can’t think of any other half big team who starts a midfielder as remotely limited as Ugarte is.

‘Amorim clearly has in the past’ - yeah why doesn’t Amorim use that same system he did in the past, today - oh wait

 

[Red the Bear]

He's a bit like gattuso (who was a better overall footballer mind you) that a midfield with him as a stable probably won't challenge for the highest honors unless his partners are on the same plane as the likes of pirlo and seedorf etc etc.

 

[BAMSOLA]

So much for giving players time to settle especially in the EPL.....

 

[Devil81]

He's a bit like gattuso (who was a better overall footballer mind you) that a midfield with him as a stable probably won't challenge for the highest honors unless his partners are on the same plane as the likes of pirlo and seedorf etc etc.

He's got nowhere near the energy of bullish attitude of Gattuso, I see what you are getting at but Gattuso was 110 mph chasing balls down etc..

Ugarte is so slow. If I'm honest he's absolutely dreadful, how we've downgraded constantly to this level I have no idea.

 

[Rockets Redglare]

He's got nowhere near the energy of bullish attitude of Gattuso, I see what you are getting at but Gattuso was 110 mph chasing balls down etc..

Ugarte is so slow. If I'm honest he's absolutely dreadful, how we've downgraded constantly to this level I have no idea.

Downgraded from who? And don’t say fecking McTominay.

 

[Ezkay]

So much for giving players time to settle especially in the EPL.....

I don’t understand the narrative that players need time to settle, a large majority of players you can see their ability in the first few weeks. He plays exactly like he did at PSG and Lisbon, just a player who kicks shins.

If they threw me in the league does that mean I deserve to get another season to settle - no, sometimes players are just so out of their depth.

Seems like PSG didn’t give him time to settle and made the UCL final the following season.

 

[Devil81]

Downgraded from who? And don’t say fecking McTominay.

I will say that yes. I didn't mind Scott, I seen his goals as an asset to the team, I don't see one feature of Ugarte that I rate.

Herrera - Better player
Fred - More energy on the field
Matic - If it wasn't for him losing his legs he was a good technician on the ball
Mctominey - Took a kicking off the fans but was a goal threat and offer miles more to the side the Ugarte

Downgrade on all of them in my opinion, technically one of the worst midfielders we've had play for us. Can barely pass a ball five yards.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

I will say that yes. I didn't mind Scott, I seen his goals as an asset to the team, I don't see one feature of Ugarte that I rate.

Herrera - Better player
Fred - More energy on the field
Matic - If it wasn't for him losing his legs he was a good technician on the ball
Mctominey - Took a kicking off the fans but was a goal threat and offer miles more to the side the Ugarte

Downgrade on all of them in my opinion, technically one of the worst midfielders we've had play for us. Can barely pass a ball five yards.

They all had runs as poor as Ugarte's worst and I'd say only Matic in his first season was as good as Ugarte at his best.

He absolutely needs to find his form again and hopefully quickly but he's a decent player.

 

[FrankDrebin]

He's awful.

 

[Gavinb33]

If he came through the academy people would be calling him all sorts, if him and Dorgu were the new footballing structure signings I don't hold much hope for the future.

Both technically deficient players and Ugarte cannot seem to last past 60 minutes in a game without blowing out of his arse.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Yes it's a scapegoat to call the 50m midfielder who doesn't last past 60 minutes a shin kicker

What ever make belief bs helps you sleel at night.....

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Am I the only person on here who really rates him? I think he’s the least of our issues! His form did dip at the season end but then who’s didn’t? Wouldn’t be close to selling him yet.

You are not they only one. A specialist destroyer in the 90th percentile for interceptions, blocks, and tackles is being abused for not having more expertise in progressive passing. Our fan base is an insane asylum at times...

 

[Hammondo]

I will say that yes. I didn't mind Scott, I seen his goals as an asset to the team, I don't see one feature of Ugarte that I rate.

Herrera - Better player
Fred - More energy on the field
Matic - If it wasn't for him losing his legs he was a good technician on the ball
Mctominey - Took a kicking off the fans but was a goal threat and offer miles more to the side the Ugarte

Downgrade on all of them in my opinion, technically one of the worst midfielders we've had play for us. Can barely pass a ball five yards.

as a DM mctominay was terrible, had no idea what he was doing.

Herrera and Matic were obviously better players, Fred? He can't do the holding role, box2box? yea he would be better at it.