OmarUnited4ever
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What's with meltdown on this fella not being available on Sunday or not registered yet??
Too late to get in the squad for sunday now right?
People seem to think a player who hasn't played since the internationals would just slot into our team and turn an inevitable 3-0 loss to a 5-0 win just because.What's with meltdown on this fella not being available on Sunday or not registered yet??
Will never understand the logic behind this signing.You bought Mount instead of a DM ffs
The gods always flipped a coin whenever Fred played for us, so If Urgarte is more like the Fred that sometimes played outstandingly well then i'll be very happy.He’s not another Fred is he?
Jerry Seinfeld voice : "What's the deal... with Ugarte !?"Sky Sports just said the deal with Ugarte isn't quite done yet
Is it Baldy cause he is shit at transfers.Sky Sports just said the deal with Ugarte isn't quite done yet
Oh, FFSSky Sports just said the deal with Ugarte isn't quite done yet
It's weird.People seem to think a player who hasn't played since the internationals would just slot into our team and turn an inevitable 3-0 loss to a 5-0 win just because.
Sky Sports just said the deal with Ugarte isn't quite done yet
Making an investment worth 50m plus wages etc, should be looked at in the longer term, not through the lens of the first three games. Firstly Ugarte was at Copa, which meant it would always be a late signing, secondly the initial fee was 70m euros and we’ve gotten him for 50 plus 10. I would say that several weeks of negotiation, and not being available for the first three games, is worth the 10-20m euros saved. I think this is where being a grown up and professional is quite helpful when it comes to running a multi-billion pound organisation; and not being an over-excited couch muppet whose entire perspective of the future rests on a seven minute cameo at the weekend.Have we actually missed the deadline or is that speculation?
It's not like he's been sat on the couch. If he'd have trained a few days with us this week, I'm sure he could have been on the bench.
Or, better yet, we can actually get our signings done well in advance of the season, it sounds crazy I know.
Every year we play the first 3 games of the season with barely any new players because we can't get them through the door and we cost ourselves points every year because of it. We've actually played the first 3 games of the season with worse midfield options than we had last year.
Don’t come in here and talk sense alright?Making an investment worth 50m plus wages etc, should be looked at in the longer term, not through the lens of the first three games. Firstly Ugarte was at Copa, which meant it would always be a late signing, secondly the initial fee was 70m euros and we’ve gotten him for 50 plus 10. I would say that several weeks of negotiation, and not being available for the first three games, is worth the 10-20m euros saved. I think this is where being a grown up and professional is quite helpful when it comes to running a multi-billion pound organisation; and not being an over-excited couch muppet whose entire perspective of the future rests on a seven minute cameo at the weekend.
As for the rest of our signings, Zirkzee and Yoro were brought in very early. Earlier than most of our rivals did any business. De Ligt and Mazraoui in time for the start of the season. You may or may not have noticed, but there were two rather large international tournaments this summer, which heavily impacted most clubs ability to do business early in the window, and also meant players have come back late - needing rest - somewhat unfit and not ready to play.
Us starting the season with a “worse” midfield than this time last year is the result of years of bad squad building, not the result of not getting deals done fast enough this window. This window what was important was to (a) get the RIGHT players in for our long term success (accomplished), (b) not overpay for players and change the entire narrative about United being a soft touch in the transfer market, even if this meant protracted negotiations (accomplished), and (c) shift out unwanted and unneeded players (significant progress and ongoing).
To look at the success or failure of this window through the context of the first three games is just fecking daft, and the type of reductive thinking that makes clubs buy crap players just because they are easy to sign/available. The general barrel of shite we had available on match day one was a result of years of bad dealings, not the result of this window. We should go into next season with a much better starting squad now, that can add 2-3 players to go up another level.
Urgh who told Ten Hag that Ugarte wasn’t Dutch!! He’s whipped out his veto last minuteSky Sports just said the deal with Ugarte isn't quite done yet
They certainly can go straight into the team. But the process of pre-season and getting fit always a factor. Most player in the starting 11 now not upto speed yet. With euros and copa America has slowed that process a bit.Ok.. another question then. Why have we targeted all players that are apparently unfit?! I’m assuming there unfit since only 1 of our new signings as gone straight into the team.
You’re absolutely right. These muppets should’ve just paid what PSG wanted weeks ago, shot Manuel up with Messi hormones and thrashed Liverpool on Sunday. Wankers.Don’t come in here and talk sense alright?
Yeah good Fred was a beast. That would be ace, we’ve missed the guy.The gods always flipped a coin whenever Fred played for us, so If Urgarte is more like the Fred that sometimes played outstandingly well then i'll be very happy.
Fantastic post.Making an investment worth 50m plus wages etc, should be looked at in the longer term, not through the lens of the first three games. Firstly Ugarte was at Copa, which meant it would always be a late signing, secondly the initial fee was 70m euros and we’ve gotten him for 50 plus 10. I would say that several weeks of negotiation, and not being available for the first three games, is worth the 10-20m euros saved. I think this is where being a grown up and professional is quite helpful when it comes to running a multi-billion pound organisation; and not being an over-excited couch muppet whose entire perspective of the future rests on a seven minute cameo at the weekend.
As for the rest of our signings, Zirkzee and Yoro were brought in very early. Earlier than most of our rivals did any business. De Ligt and Mazraoui in time for the start of the season. You may or may not have noticed, but there were two rather large international tournaments this summer, which heavily impacted most clubs ability to do business early in the window, and also meant players have come back late - needing rest - somewhat unfit and not ready to play.
Us starting the season with a “worse” midfield than this time last year is the result of years of bad squad building, not the result of not getting deals done fast enough this window. This window what was important was to (a) get the RIGHT players in for our long term success (accomplished), (b) not overpay for players and change the entire narrative about United being a soft touch in the transfer market, even if this meant protracted negotiations (accomplished), and (c) shift out unwanted and unneeded players (significant progress and ongoing).
To look at the success or failure of this window through the context of the first three games is just fecking daft, and the type of reductive thinking that makes clubs buy crap players just because they are easy to sign/available. The general barrel of shite we had available on match day one was a result of years of bad dealings, not the result of this window. We should go into next season with a much better starting squad now, that can add 2-3 players to go up another level.
Not enough to complain about. Let them have their moment, for pity’s sake.What's with meltdown on this fella not being available on Sunday or not registered yet??
The gods always flipped a coin whenever Fred played for us, so If Urgarte is more like the Fred that sometimes played outstandingly well then i'll be very happy.
I heard Dan put it on his checklist.Ok.. another question then. Why have we targeted all players that are apparently unfit?! I’m assuming there unfit since only 1 of our new signings as gone straight into the team.
There! That’s definitely better. You gotta give the people what they want.You’re absolutely right. These muppets should’ve just paid what PSG wanted weeks ago, shot Manuel up with Messi hormones and thrashed Liverpool on Sunday. Wankers.
Better?
There’s a solution to that. It’s called signing them early so they get training and pre season under there belt. I mean it’s not like they have all season to look at what players they want for when the window opens.Seriously? You really expect the club to back down on a target because they might not be match fit for an upcoming fixture? That would be so short sighted.
No idea what this means mate but I doubt it’s in the dictionary.I heard Dan put it on his checklist.
- Fills a specific squad need
- Right age profile
- Right mentality
- Wants to come
- Particular skill set
- Supporting data analytics
- Represents good value
- Sustainable wage demands
- Fits the desired style of play
- Is apparently unfit.
Either that, or you’re being a mewling quim. It’s a coin toss really.
They have called you a whining vagina, is it a bad thing? Could it be good? Only you can decide.No idea what this means mate but I doubt it’s in the dictionary.
mewlingNo idea what this means mate but I doubt it’s in the dictionary.
We don’t play tomorrowWe're probably losing to Liverpool tomorrow with or without him, so it's best that he starts the next game instead when we're in bounce back mode.
Thank you.mewling
(especially of a baby) Cry feebly or querulously.
Quim
A vulgar slang term variously meaning “vagina,” “vulva,” or “a contemptible person.”
My mistake, Sunday then.We don’t play tomorrow
We should already be in bounce back mode. Losing 2 in a row and this place and our fans go crazy and know nothings changed from last season.We're probably losing to Liverpool tomorrow with or without him, so it's best that he starts the next game instead when we're in bounce back mode.
Making an investment worth 50m plus wages etc, should be looked at in the longer term, not through the lens of the first three games. Firstly Ugarte was at Copa, which meant it would always be a late signing, secondly the initial fee was 70m euros and we’ve gotten him for 50 plus 10. I would say that several weeks of negotiation, and not being available for the first three games, is worth the 10-20m euros saved. I think this is where being a grown up and professional is quite helpful when it comes to running a multi-billion pound organisation; and not being an over-excited couch muppet whose entire perspective of the future rests on a seven minute cameo at the weekend.
As for the rest of our signings, Zirkzee and Yoro were brought in very early. Earlier than most of our rivals did any business. De Ligt and Mazraoui in time for the start of the season. You may or may not have noticed, but there were two rather large international tournaments this summer, which heavily impacted most clubs ability to do business early in the window, and also meant players have come back late - needing rest - somewhat unfit and not ready to play.
Us starting the season with a “worse” midfield than this time last year is the result of years of bad squad building, not the result of not getting deals done fast enough this window. This window what was important was to (a) get the RIGHT players in for our long term success (accomplished), (b) not overpay for players and change the entire narrative about United being a soft touch in the transfer market, even if this meant protracted negotiations (accomplished), and (c) shift out unwanted and unneeded players (significant progress and ongoing).
To look at the success or failure of this window through the context of the first three games is just fecking daft, and the type of reductive thinking that makes clubs buy crap players just because they are easy to sign/available. The general barrel of shite we had available on match day one was a result of years of bad dealings, not the result of this window. We should go into next season with a much better starting squad now, that can add 2-3 players to go up another level.
I read about that yesterday - sad news.Heads up to all of you. Uruguay will be shite over this international week and it will have nothing to do with Ugarte.
A Nacional (URU) player died on Tuesday after he collapsed on the pitch during a Conmebol Libertadores game in Sao Paulo and then went into cardiac arrest during transport on an ambulance with no defibrilator or medic. Former teammate of 3-4 NT regulars who are of course devastated.
Conmebol's immediate and timely response was of course to issue their disciplinary decision on the Colombia game fracas. 5 games Darwin, 4 Bentancur, 3 for three of our back four while our RB is suspended from a red during Copa.
It will be a car crash, nowt Ugarte can do about it.
Fair play. You’ve taken that like a gentleman.Thank you.