Marc Skinner has left the club

From what i read on Reddit, i agree with Skinner.
Too little investment in the women's team.
 
I wanted Skinner gone after last season but this summer has shown again that the owners don't really care about the women's team
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
I wanted Skinner gone after last season but this summer has shown again that the owners don't really care about the women's team
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Yeah it’s something fans have been debating for a long time, whether he’s fit to be manager. But I think the timing of this doesn’t look great. If he’s offered to resign it can only be because he think he isn’t being backed by the board.
 
Isn't this the second manager running who has quit over a lack of investment in the woman's team?
 
I think as a coach he had run his course and the team was going backwards. The timing with this along with the summer we have had is just pretty grim though.
 
There will be plenty of fans who’ll welcome him going but this looks really bad for the club.
 
Granted, I'm not a massive watcher of the women's team but from what I've seen, things have been going stale.

There obviously needs to be more investment but you can bring in younger coaches who have something to prove and maybe send the team out with a little more swagger.

Skinner never seemed like the most inspiring coach. Surely there must be a young up and coming coach/manager that will jump at the chance for the job?
 
KStandBarmyArmy1993 said:
Granted, I'm not a massive watcher of the women's team but from what I've seen, things have been going stale.

There obviously needs to be more investment but you can bring in younger coaches who have something to prove and maybe send the team out with a little more swagger.

Skinner never seemed like the most inspiring coach. Surely there must be a young up and coming coach/manager that will jump at the chance for the job?
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There are good coaches to be found in women’s football, certainly, but one month before kick-off, it’s not ideal to say the least. Ambitious clubs change managers at least in May. Here we have a head coach who has been accused of not being ambitious enough, and accused of being a sign that the club is not ambitious enough. When he quits weeks before the new season because HE thinks the club lacks ambition, it is quite damning. It would be quite damning at any club, rather. At Man United it’s just unacceptable.
 
Not a fan of Skinner but here we are again. Likely to be the same reason Stoney left.
Utter disinterest from the ownership.
 
Was decided a few weeks ago this no??

United's Woman's team just doesn't have the resources available that other teams have, people need to realise that. Seems like Skinner wanted a different direction for the club rather than the plan that's in place..
 
Grylte said:
From what i read on Reddit, i agree with Skinner.
Too little investment in the women's team.
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Money is running low. Hence why we are buying 29 yr olds and squad players
 
Champ said:
Was decided a few weeks ago this no??

United's Woman's team just doesn't have the resources available that other teams have, people need to realise that. Seems like Skinner wanted a different direction for the club rather than the plan that's in place..
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Was it? It’s the first I’ve heard about this.

It’s fine to say we don’t have the same resources as Chelsea, Arsenal, City or LCL (although that seems to be down to choice more than anything), but we don’t seem to even be using the resources we do have. We’re at a point now where we’re barely able to name a full matchday squad even without injuries and that’s despite going deep in the CL last season and earning a significant chunk of prize money (4th highest of all clubs last season according to UEFA). If the plan is to keep things as they are, I wouldn’t blame Skinner in the slightest for saying he’s had enough. It isn’t good enough no matter who you compare it to.
 
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I honestly think they should just stop trying to push the women’s team onto supporters who simply aren’t interested. I support Manchester United’s men’s team, not the women’s team, and I don’t think that should be controversial.


What frustrates me is how often headlines are written in a way that makes you think they’re about the men’s team, only to click and realise it’s about the women’s side.


It happens on the official Manchester United app, the MUTV app, and even on united.no, the biggest Norwegian Manchester United fan site. They regularly mix women’s team stories in with men’s team news, and the headlines often don’t make it obvious which team the article is about. I end up clicking on stories expecting men’s team news, only to find they’re about the women’s side.


From what we’ve seen, even the ownership doesn’t seem particularly committed to investing in the women’s team, so I don’t understand why it keeps being given such prominent coverage across the club’s official platforms.


I’m sure plenty of local supporters in Manchester follow both teams, and that’s absolutely fine. But I also think there are a lot of international supporters who follow Manchester United exclusively because of the men’s team and simply aren’t interested in the women’s side. There should be room for that without constantly mixing women’s team news into men’s team feeds.


I’m not saying people shouldn’t follow the women’s team if they enjoy it. I just think the headlines should clearly indicate which team the article is about, so supporters can choose what they actually want to read.
 
Didn't want him here but for it to happen in August shows the club and our misogynistic prick of an owner for what they are.

Aresma7 said:
I honestly think they should just stop trying to push the women’s team onto supporters who simply aren’t interested. I support Manchester United’s men’s team, not the women’s team, and I don’t think that should be controversial.


What frustrates me is how often headlines are written in a way that makes you think they’re about the men’s team, only to click and realise it’s about the women’s side.


It happens on the official Manchester United app, the MUTV app, and even on united.no, the biggest Norwegian Manchester United fan site. They regularly mix women’s team stories in with men’s team news, and the headlines often don’t make it obvious which team the article is about. I end up clicking on stories expecting men’s team news, only to find they’re about the women’s side.


From what we’ve seen, even the ownership doesn’t seem particularly committed to investing in the women’s team, so I don’t understand why it keeps being given such prominent coverage across the club’s official platforms.


I’m sure plenty of local supporters in Manchester follow both teams, and that’s absolutely fine. But I also think there are a lot of international supporters who follow Manchester United exclusively because of the men’s team and simply aren’t interested in the women’s side. There should be room for that without constantly mixing women’s team news into men’s team feeds.


I’m not saying people shouldn’t follow the women’s team if they enjoy it. I just think the headlines should clearly indicate which team the article is about, so supporters can choose what they actually want to read.
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And I don't really want to read posts like yours in a thread in the dedicated women's team section, I suppose we'll both just have to cope.
 
If he offered his resignation why was it not accepted straight away? Why then come to an agreement with him and it be mutual?
Because surely if he resigned we dont pay compensation and coming to an agreement means we do.

Not sad to see him go after last season, although some places making him out to be a martyr (needing to walk away because of lack of investment) are forgetting a good lot of us had lost the plot with him a while back and wanted him gone regardless.
 
They’re barely want to invest in the 1st team this summer, can’t imagine what it’s like for the ladies. They really should just stop the program in all honesty.
 
Mixed feelings of course.

I wasn't a Skinner fan, I'm not going to become one just because it's rumoured that he's leaving because the club lacks ambition.

That's not to say that I trust the club.

It's clear that funding (and senior management interest) in the Women's team is limited. We never were funded to join the "big three" consistently.

After the Euros in 2022 we showed zero interest in cashing in on our new stars or on the new found market for women's football. We allowed Chelsea and Arsenal to dominate us financially. City spend consistently more as well as having access via their group to knowledgeable scouts etc. Clubs like Spurs and now London City have comparable budgets to ours.

With "buying success" ruled out that sends you down the alternatives. For United, it feels like that should be through the Academy and recruitment at youth level.

Not easy of course, otherwise everyone would do it. But as a basic essential it relies on a manager and a coaching team who are great at youth development. Imagination and bravery, and a skill in people and in game tactical management that lets you choose the 18 year old kid over the 30 year old safe bet when you choose who to bring on with fifteen minutes to play. For me, that's where Skinner was never going to deliver.

So, I'm not sad to see him go but I'm concerned that the malaise is even deeper than I thought. Hopefully, the new appointee is the right one for where we stand today.
 
Robertd0803 said:
If he offered his resignation why was it not accepted straight away? Why then come to an agreement with him and it be mutual?
Because surely if he resigned we dont pay compensation and coming to an agreement means we do.

Not sad to see him go after last season, although some places making him out to be a martyr (needing to walk away because of lack of investment) are forgetting a good lot of us had lost the plot with him a while back and wanted him gone regardless.
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Without any guessing about this particular case ...

A resignation might be written in conditional terms, stating for instance things the writer hopes to see improved, and if accepted might lead to a case for constructive dismissal

If someone just says that's it I'm out, and walks, there might be a counter case against them for damages or costs incurred in replacing them

So it might turn on how the original contract was written, including provision for resolution processes.
 
jojojo said:
Mixed feelings of course.

I wasn't a Skinner fan, I'm not going to become one just because it's rumoured that he's leaving because the club lacks ambition.

That's not to say that I trust the club.

It's clear that funding (and senior management interest) in the Women's team is limited. We never were funded to join the "big three" consistently.

After the Euros in 2022 we showed zero interest in cashing in on our new stars or on the new found market for women's football. We allowed Chelsea and Arsenal to dominate us financially. City spend consistently more as well as having access via their group to knowledgeable scouts etc. Clubs like Spurs and now London City have comparable budgets to ours.

With "buying success" ruled out that sends you down the alternatives. For United, it feels like that should be through the Academy and recruitment at youth level.

Not easy of course, otherwise everyone would do it. But as a basic essential it relies on a manager and a coaching team who are great at youth development. Imagination and bravery, and a skill in people and in game tactical management that lets you choose the 18 year old kid over the 30 year old safe bet when you choose who to bring on with fifteen minutes to play. For me, that's where Skinner was never going to deliver.

So, I'm not sad to see him go but I'm concerned that the malaise is even deeper than I thought. Hopefully, the new appointee is the right one for where we stand today.
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The biggest issue is potentially that Skinner had United punching above their weight.
Realistically the United woman's team shouldn't be competing for the top three as hard as they have been based on finance.
The next manager will have a job keeping the team as competitive as they are, as the financial side cannot compete with those at the top.
 
Aresma7 said:
I honestly think they should just stop trying to push the women’s team onto supporters who simply aren’t interested. I support Manchester United’s men’s team, not the women’s team, and I don’t think that should be controversial.


What frustrates me is how often headlines are written in a way that makes you think they’re about the men’s team, only to click and realise it’s about the women’s side.


It happens on the official Manchester United app, the MUTV app, and even on united.no, the biggest Norwegian Manchester United fan site. They regularly mix women’s team stories in with men’s team news, and the headlines often don’t make it obvious which team the article is about. I end up clicking on stories expecting men’s team news, only to find they’re about the women’s side.


From what we’ve seen, even the ownership doesn’t seem particularly committed to investing in the women’s team, so I don’t understand why it keeps being given such prominent coverage across the club’s official platforms.


I’m sure plenty of local supporters in Manchester follow both teams, and that’s absolutely fine. But I also think there are a lot of international supporters who follow Manchester United exclusively because of the men’s team and simply aren’t interested in the women’s side. There should be room for that without constantly mixing women’s team news into men’s team feeds.


I’m not saying people shouldn’t follow the women’s team if they enjoy it. I just think the headlines should clearly indicate which team the article is about, so supporters can choose what they actually want to read.
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Maybe the club are actively trying to contact other people rather than just you. It sort of goes with having marketing for a global brand aimed at men, women, children etc.

A news story will have different importance to different people....for instance if you like attacking players should you have the option to "opt out" about hearing about the club signing a young defender? - well if you are not interested you will click away and not engage with the page - this will be shown in the metric and analysis of the page - maybe others will click on it and it will spark a new interest in the women's team.

I got into watching the Women's team during Casey Stoney's reign. I started going because the reserve games were so terrible under Mourinho's leadership that I thought it was worth giving the women's team a chance. Casey Stoney's team played the football that I loved growing up as a kid. Attacking and dynamic football with an emphasis on passing the ball rather than just physicality and running.

Maybe you should have a more open mind OR accept the minor inconvenience of an extra mouse click if you are NOT interested in the content. The club has to market the game to a wide range of demographics and ethnicities these days...it can't afford to just be aimed at a white- male only demographic that it did in the past.
 
Champ said:
The biggest issue is potentially that Skinner had United punching above their weight.
Realistically the United woman's team shouldn't be competing for the top three as hard as they have been based on finance.
The next manager will have a job keeping the team as competitive as they are, as the financial side cannot compete with those at the top.
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They/we need a clear direction and structure from the top downwards otherwise it's always gonna be a struggle. You don't need to be big spenders just be better at the day to day running.

Even something like the stadium location will have an impact of how far the side can go from a commercial perspective.

I don't necessarily agree with Aresma7 but there's a point to be made which is that unless the club invests in players, coaches and also directors (who solely look after the women's team) all the extra promotion across the club's media outlets is basically pointless. Which takes me back to my original point which is that the Glazers didn't want a women's team but not having one was a PR disaster so they were kind of forced into it.
 
Carl said:
We still just talking about the women's team here or..?
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Sjr had made it clear that man's football is his main priority. Now if there's barely any money to buy the top quality reinforcement we need for the latter then imagine the budget for the former
 
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devilish said:
Sjr had made it clear that man's football is his main priority. Now if there's barely any money to buy the top quarterbacks reinforcement we need for the latter then imagine the budget for the former
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There's also a difference between spending an extra £5m on one team vs another £150m on the other. Making the women's team competitive is not going to bankrupt the club.
 
Ubik said:
There's also a difference between spending an extra £5m on one team vs another £150m on the other. Making the women's team competitive is not going to bankrupt the club.
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I agree but the club is counting every penny at this point and we've been doing so for a long time. We are like a body whose dying. The first thing it does is to restrict the resources to areas it deemed as non critical
 
devilish said:
Sjr had made it clear that man's football is his main priority. Now if there's barely any money to buy the top quarterbacks reinforcement we need for the latter then imagine the budget for the former
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What’s a quarterback?
 
Can’t blame him if we continue to sell our best players to Chelsea and the other top teams who have no problem investing beyond our ambitions.
 
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