Marcelo Bielsa appointed as Leeds United manager

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I've admired Bielsa for so long, now he's Leeds manager...shame. Part of me really likes what he's done. The other part of me is shouting 'AND LEEDS!'
 

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The interviewer was a coward for saying “no it’s because we are running out of time”.

You wanted to ask more questions. Time was fine. Back up your stubbornness.

I like Bielsa.
 

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I think his contract expires this summer with Leeds. Do you think he will sign on with Leeds or move on to a bigger club?
He's going nowhere as no one else will have him.
It's win or bust with Bielsa, and that just doesn't cut it at the top level.
Perfect for Leeds, safety in the prem, but no where near good enough for a top team anymore.
 

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I think his contract expires this summer with Leeds. Do you think he will sign on with Leeds or move on to a bigger club?
His contract expires every summer and at his behest. I suspect he'll stay at least another season but you can never be sure. If he was to leave I don't think it would be because a bigger club tempted him though. The bloke seems to need things to carry on just as he likes them and can't happily function outside of that narrow state of affairs. I doubt a bigger club would accommodate that to the extent he requires.
 

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I think he’s a system manager to the extreme and needs his players to function 100% in the way he demands. At bigger clubs, where you have to have the ability to manage egos as well, he’d fall well short. Think he’s found a good match at Leeds.
 

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What is a hipster manager? As for Bielsa, he is like the majority of manager not a good fit for big clubs, the only difference is that it's not due to his coaching abilities but due to the fact that he doesn't do internal politics, he can adapt to players but he can't adapt to the people above him, that has been his issue almost everywhere.
 

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I think his contract expires this summer with Leeds. Do you think he will sign on with Leeds or move on to a bigger club?
His contract expired last year too so he worked out of contract for a few weeks. It's just the way he negotiates. I'm sure he will stay at Leeds.
 

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Oh God this is so tedious.
Do you know what that means? It seems to be used for managers that are very different and from different generations, I suspect that it's just about how some people may not be familiar with them but maybe I'm missing something?
 

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Leeds has been the only consistently entertaining team this season. If that makes Bielsa a hipster manager, so be it.
 

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I think he’s a system manager to the extreme and needs his players to function 100% in the way he demands. At bigger clubs, where you have to have the ability to manage egos as well, he’d fall well short. Think he’s found a good match at Leeds.
The polar opposite to Ole
 

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I think he’s a system manager to the extreme and needs his players to function 100% in the way he demands. At bigger clubs, where you have to have the ability to manage egos as well, he’d fall well short. Think he’s found a good match at Leeds.
What’s a system manager? Never heard that one before
 

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What is a hipster manager? As for Bielsa, he is like the majority of manager not a good fit for big clubs, the only difference is that it's not due to his coaching abilities but due to the fact that he doesn't do internal politics, he can adapt to players but he can't adapt to the people above him, that has been his issue almost everywhere.
I don’t say it but when I read it I look at it as a foreign manager who doesn’t get watched regularly, who plays attacking football, gets smashed in defence but that doesn’t matter because they play good football going forward so ‘Obviously’ would be amazing at a ‘bigger’ club. Add in a snazzy jacket and Nagelsmann is the picture perfect hipster manager example.
 

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I don’t say it but when I read it I look at it as a foreign manager who doesn’t get watched regularly, who plays attacking football, gets smashed in defence but that doesn’t matter because they play good football going forward so ‘Obviously’ would be amazing at a ‘bigger’ club. Add in a snazzy jacket and Nagelsmann is the picture perfect hipster manager example.
But Nagelsmann doesn't really play attacking football, he is a lot more pragmatic than that and for example RBL currently have the second best defensive record in the Bundesliga. He plays winning football with the tools at his disposal, you don't play defensive football with subpar defensive players, that's not pragmatic. What you described would fit someone like Zdenek Zeman, if the term was limited to that kind of dogmatic managers then I would maybe understand it but people are using it in the wildest ways to the point where it makes no sense.
 

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But Nagelsmann doesn't really play attacking football, he is a lot more pragmatic than that and for example RBL currently have the second best defensive record in the Bundesliga. He plays winning football with the tools at his disposal, you don't play defensive football with subpar defensive players, that's not pragmatic. What you described would fit someone like Zdenek Zeman, if the term was limited to that kind of dogmatic managers then I would maybe understand it but people are using it in the wildest ways to the point where it makes no sense.
Nagelsmann is the flavour of the month for patterns of play and good football and like I said it’s probably from people who don’t watch these regularly, he also may have a good defensive record in the league but in the champions league (only place I’ve watched him really) and I guess many others his defence was a mess against us and Liverpool.

It’s a stupid term, Rightly or wrongly he’s the first I think of when I hear hipster because I think people don’t know much about him but he’s foreign with a smaller team and plays ‘the wanted’ football.
 

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Yeah I’d say he’s seemingly more of a SAF like man manager etc.

Just something I pulled out of my backside in fairness. But it’s pretty self explanatory.
Can you explain it to me then?
 

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A 'hipster manager' is generally a term coined by the posters who are ultra-defensive when it comes to Ole, and like to take a pop at other talented managers due to their insecurities regarding our own manager. It's a particularly odd piece of phraseology which seems to cover a broad range of managers with a broad and varied range of styles of play.

For me, these posters just come across as totally ignorant regarding up and coming or talented managers and have no desire to learn more about them. Instead they call them hipster managers and berate terms like patterns of play. It's a very peculiar phenomena and comes across as being quite bitter or ignorant towards managers that aren't named Ole.
 

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What is a hipster manager? As for Bielsa, he is like the majority of manager not a good fit for big clubs, the only difference is that it's not due to his coaching abilities but due to the fact that he doesn't do internal politics, he can adapt to players but he can't adapt to the people above him, that has been his issue almost everywhere.
My personal definition of hipster manager is who achieved jack all,
but achievement in small clubs lead to them being overhyped by a group of football fans, who are tired of top managers and hence hype up whoever seems promising.

A 'hipster manager' is generally a term coined by the posters who are ultra-defensive when it comes to Ole, and like to take a pop at other talented managers due to their insecurities regarding our own manager. It's a particularly odd piece of phraseology which seems to cover a broad range of managers with a broad and varied range of styles of play.

For me, these posters just come across as totally ignorant regarding up and coming or talented managers and have no desire to learn more about them. Instead they call them hipster managers and berate terms like patterns of play. It's a very peculiar phenomena and comes across as being quite bitter or ignorant towards managers that aren't named Ole.
I am not an Ole fan and Biesla is not an upcoming manager.


Biesla is a great manager who has revolutionized the game, influencing many top coaches but he isn't an achiever of highest order. He won't be a vital fit for top clubs, no matter how much his fanboys cry about.

And no i am not an Ole sympathizer or fanboy. He is our manager, and he has my support till he deserves it. And currently I don't see how Biesla is any better than Ole.
 
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Can you explain it to me then?
Means he relies on players fitting into a specific system and making the whole greater than the sum of the parts. Whereas Ole relies more on the individual brilliance of players and them working it out for themselves on the pitch.
 

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My personal definition of hipster manager is who achieved jack all,
but achievement in small clubs lead to them being overhyped by a group of football fans, who are tired of top managers and hence hype up whoever seems promising.
Isn't there a massive contradiction here? They achieved jack all but achieved in small clubs?

Also top managers don't magically become top managers there is a point where they achieved nothing and were rated enough to be given a chance by bigger clubs because those biggers didn't trust the current top managers.
 

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A 'hipster manager' is generally a term coined by the posters who are ultra-defensive when it comes to Ole, and like to take a pop at other talented managers due to their insecurities regarding our own manager. It's a particularly odd piece of phraseology which seems to cover a broad range of managers with a broad and varied range of styles of play.

For me, these posters just come across as totally ignorant regarding up and coming or talented managers and have no desire to learn more about them. Instead they call them hipster managers and berate terms like patterns of play. It's a very peculiar phenomena and comes across as being quite bitter or ignorant towards managers that aren't named Ole.
Good post. Very true.
 

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A 'hipster manager' is generally a term coined by the posters who are ultra-defensive when it comes to Ole, and like to take a pop at other talented managers due to their insecurities regarding our own manager. It's a particularly odd piece of phraseology which seems to cover a broad range of managers with a broad and varied range of styles of play.

For me, these posters just come across as totally ignorant regarding up and coming or talented managers and have no desire to learn more about them. Instead they call them hipster managers and berate terms like patterns of play. It's a very peculiar phenomena and comes across as being quite bitter or ignorant towards managers that aren't named Ole.
It was around long before Ole was our manager I thought. Wasn’t klopp hipster at Dortmund? Or do you just want to have a pop at fans who support Ole?
 

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A 'hipster manager' is generally a term coined by the posters who are ultra-defensive when it comes to Ole, and like to take a pop at other talented managers due to their insecurities regarding our own manager. It's a particularly odd piece of phraseology which seems to cover a broad range of managers with a broad and varied range of styles of play.

For me, these posters just come across as totally ignorant regarding up and coming or talented managers and have no desire to learn more about them. Instead they call them hipster managers and berate terms like patterns of play. It's a very peculiar phenomena and comes across as being quite bitter or ignorant towards managers that aren't named Ole.
He’s an utter prick. Never liked the bloke even during his hipster Dortmund days when this place was circle jerking about him.
D'oh!
 

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It was around long before Ole was our manager I thought. Wasn’t klopp hipster at Dortmund? Or do you just want to have a pop at fans who support Ole?
Meh slagging off a Liverpool manager is part and parcel of being a United fan. But when literally every emerging manager becomes a hipster manager all of a sudden, then you know there's a theme emerging.

Not to mention that Klopp genuinely comes across as a grade a prick and using the term rock and roll football and his overly emotional actions with his players, probably gave him the deserved hipster title. But now all of a sudden every manager is a hipster manager because of their style of play. Odd.
 

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Means he relies on players fitting into a specific system and making the whole greater than the sum of the parts. Whereas Ole relies more on the individual brilliance of players and them working it out for themselves on the pitch.
Every single manager has a system/way of working. All this ‘system player’ and ‘system manager’ is a complete load of shite, Just terms that some people use to make themselves seem clever while saying nothing of any substance, just constant recycling of the same hollow phrases.

Solskjaer is the only manager in the league that I’ve read on here relies on individual brilliance and doesn’t have a system, how odd is that? The team who’s scored the most goals only second in the table to by far the best team in the country, very strange, it’s almost like it’s a load of bollocks. It’s not Solskjaer’s fault the people who want him sacked don’t understand the way we play.

Can I just ask is Sean Dyche a system manager?

Sam Allardyce?

How about Mourinho?

They all have systems, some you may not like or understand but they all do, and Ole is the only one in the whole league without one, hilarious.
 

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Isn't there a massive contradiction here? They achieved jack all but achieved in small clubs?

Also top managers don't magically become top managers there is a point where they achieved nothing and were rated enough to be given a chance by bigger clubs because those biggers didn't trust the current top managers.
No it is not a contradiction, by achievement I meant, achieving results as per the ambition of small clubs.

Also signs of a top class manager is seen in early years itself. A winning mentality is something which needs to be cultivated early on, playing pretty football without any tangible success may draw praises from so called critics and hipster fanbase, but reality is always different.

Sorry but anyone who thinks Bielsa would have done better than Ole, is in my opinion either too hateful of Ole or is massively overrating Bielsa.
 

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No it is not a contradiction, by achievement I meant, achieving results as per the ambition of small clubs.

Also signs of a top class manager is seen in early years itself. A winning mentality is something which needs to be cultivated early on, playing pretty football without any tangible success may draw praises from so called critics and hipster fanbase, but reality is always different.

Sorry but anyone who thinks Bielsa would have done better than Ole, is in my opinion either too hateful of Ole or is massively overrating Bielsa.
So @Robbie Boy was right you made that comment with Ole in mind which is weird because none of the posts made today before yours suggested something like that.