Marco Rose | OFFICIAL: Joining Dortmund at the end of the season

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Maybe the manager isn't the problem...
Funny how when SAF was around this quote wasn't being thrown around. I guess Pep got a set of new owners as well.

Another hipster bites the dust.

Southampton struggling, Rose to Dortmund done so just the guy from Leipzig left.
Are you talking about the hipster that dumped us out of the CL with an inferior squad?
 

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Most obvious outcome ever, but this has the potential to become really good. Will be interesting to see if Rose can make the next step.

The real Bundesliga title race was the friends they made along the way.
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Still waiting for someone to tell me what a hipster manager is, what makes them a hipster manager, and if or when do they stop being a hipster manager. Funny how the people who throw the term around don't seem to be able to explain it.
 

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Still waiting for someone to tell me what a hipster manager is, what makes them a hipster manager, and if or when do they stop being a hipster manager. Funny how the people who throw the term around don't seem to be able to explain it.
If you hire a guy from a notoriously pretentious and silly football tactics internet blog as your assistant, you are a hipster manager. Case closed.
 

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“Hipster manager” is probably the most annoying term that you see around here. The only meaning I’ve managed to ascertain thus far is it’s a manger that isn’t the United manager, and one that people besides the person using the term “hipster manager” seem to like.

I have no doubt once upon a time these same people would have called Wenger, Mourinho, Pep and Klopp hipster managers.
 

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Still waiting for someone to tell me what a hipster manager is, what makes them a hipster manager, and if or when do they stop being a hipster manager. Funny how the people who throw the term around don't seem to be able to explain it.
Pretty simple isn't it? It's a manager who is lauded by the latte drinking football hipsters. These being the types who don't support a team, but instead have a weird penchant for whichever young manager is doing cool tactical stuff with an unfashionable team.

Amazed you've got your knickers in such a twist over it.
 

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It is, however if it's applicable anywhere it is for Rose.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not :lol:

I don’t even know that much about the guy, I just know that whenever that term is used around here it’s done so in a really stupid way.

Said fans are probably the same ones that go around saying “This wouldn’t happen if Roy Keane were here!”
 

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Still waiting for someone to tell me what a hipster manager is, what makes them a hipster manager, and if or when do they stop being a hipster manager. Funny how the people who throw the term around don't seem to be able to explain it.
hipster manager or hipster anything has nothing to do with the thing that is hipster is it?

I always thought it concerns the people who jump onto a new trend or style because they see it as nouvaux-cool

like people who dress like something out of the peaky f@#king blinders
 

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Pretty simple isn't it? It's a manager who is lauded by the latte drinking football hipsters. These being the types who don't support a team, but instead have a weird penchant for whichever young manager is doing cool tactical stuff with an unfashionable team.

Amazed you've got your knickers in such a twist over it.
So since Nagelsmann got the tag as well: do Real Madrid qualify as "latte drinking football hipsters" for talking to him as early as 2018? Let's be honest, it's a defensive mechanism when people whose football bubble doesn't go much further than PL top 4 get confronted with what happens outside of it.
 
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Pretty simple isn't it? It's a manager who is lauded by the latte drinking football hipsters. These being the types who don't support a team, but instead have a weird penchant for whichever young manager is doing cool tactical stuff with an unfashionable team.

Amazed you've got your knickers in such a twist over it.
Are there many football fans who don't support a team?
 

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Are there many football fans who don't support a team?
Most people have a favourite football team, but they’re not necessarily hardcore fans of that team. These people can probably be found playing Football Manager, FIFA online and Fantasy Football religiously.

I’ve never used the term “hipster manager” but I think it’s quite obvious what it is. And I don’t find it annoying. Some people really get their knickers in a twist over nothing.
 

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Still waiting for someone to tell me what a hipster manager is, what makes them a hipster manager, and if or when do they stop being a hipster manager. Funny how the people who throw the term around don't seem to be able to explain it.
When someone says hipster manager I get the image of a bearded, suited man sipping a Starbucks casually watching a game of football, who then uses a lot of cliches and long words to describe what they have watched.
 

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Still waiting for someone to tell me what a hipster manager is, what makes them a hipster manager, and if or when do they stop being a hipster manager. Funny how the people who throw the term around don't seem to be able to explain it.
Flavour of the month basically.
 

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When someone says hipster manager I get the image of a bearded, suited man sipping a Starbucks casually watching a game of football, who then uses a lot of cliches and long words to describe what they have watched.
Like this?
 

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When someone says hipster manager I get the image of a bearded, suited man sipping a Starbucks casually watching a game of football, who then uses a lot of cliches and long words to describe what they have watched.
Hipsters won't be seen dead in Starbucks!
 

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I'm extremely intrigued to see how this goes for him. I'll be swapping one Borussia for another next season and I hope Rose can build something great at BVB.
I don't really have grand expectations at the moment. Dortmund need Rose to be principled in his philosophy and steer them back to a clearer profile, because in their pursuit of progress they have lost touch with the original philosophy of Klopp that made the modern version of the club what it is and which should be sort of a baseline.
He has to do so on a budget, that's restricted by the pandemic and possibly missing out on top four and he has to do so while adapting to life at a bigger club with bigger expectations. At Gladbach he never found the recipe for dominance, which, given their means, was quite acceptable still. But at Dortmund he will have to evolve that part of his approach and quickly, while doing the above mentioned rebuild and compromise on whichever parts of the squad can't be changed immediately.
 

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When someone says hipster manager I get the image of a bearded, suited man sipping a Starbucks casually watching a game of football, who then uses a lot of cliches and long words to describe what they have watched.
Long words are really bad, they make my head hurt. boooo
 

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Funnily enough...

Hipsters won't be seen dead in Starbucks!
:lol: Good point! I suppose it would need to be one of those quiet, down a side lane coffee shops they frequent wouldn't it?

Long words are really bad, they make my head hurt. boooo
On the contrary, I find when people use long words and correct grammar enthusing, and I can certainly appreciate it. I merely meant that it contributes to the image I get when I hear the 'hipster manager' term. I mean I have a beard, perhaps I may be hipster too....
 

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I don't really have grand expectations at the moment. Dortmund need Rose to be principled in his philosophy and steer them back to a clearer profile, because in their pursuit of progress they have lost touch with the original philosophy of Klopp that made the modern version of the club what it is and which should be sort of a baseline.
He has to do so on a budget, that's restricted by the pandemic and possibly missing out on top four and he has to do so while adapting to life at a bigger club with bigger expectations. At Gladbach he never found the recipe for dominance, which, given their means, was quite acceptable still. But at Dortmund he will have to evolve that part of his approach and quickly, while doing the above mentioned rebuild and compromise on whichever parts of the squad can't be changed immediately.
I've been following both Rose and Nagelmann for a while now and for me the most intriguing part is the boost in quality he will have at his disposal at BVB. It's gonna be tough with the problems faced in the current climate and expectations will be higher but i'm expecting a very exciting BVB under him that looks to impose their will on the game and also counter press well.
 

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“Hipster manager” is probably the most annoying term that you see around here. The only meaning I’ve managed to ascertain thus far is it’s a manger that isn’t the United manager, and one that people besides the person using the term “hipster manager” seem to like.

I have no doubt once upon a time these same people would have called Wenger, Mourinho, Pep and Klopp hipster managers.
It's become the go-to insult of posters who are so invested in Ole staying they will actively attack any coach who is doing well and using a style of football that is 'different'. Jose was a hipster, Klopp was a hipster, SAF would have been a hipster whilst at Aberdeen to these troglodytes.

The perfect case in point is Bielsa at Leeds. His style of football is genuinely so fun to watch AND is getting them points but he is a hipster because it's more 'sensible' to take the Big Sam or Bilic approach we've seen with WBA. Poch went from a proven PL coach to the biggest fraud in football because he was so strongly linked to Ole's job.

Tactical and technical football = hipster
Setting up with 2 DMs against the 2 worst teams in the league = exciting football
 

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It's become the go-to insult of posters who are so invested in Ole staying they will actively attack any coach who is doing well and using a style of football that is 'different'. Jose was a hipster, Klopp was a hipster, SAF would have been a hipster whilst at Aberdeen to these troglodytes.

The perfect case in point is Bielsa at Leeds. His style of football is genuinely so fun to watch AND is getting them points but he is a hipster because it's more 'sensible' to take the Big Sam or Bilic approach we've seen with WBA. Poch went from a proven PL coach to the biggest fraud in football because he was so strongly linked to Ole's job.

Tactical and technical football = hipster
Setting up with 2 DMs against the 2 worst teams in the league = exciting football
you don’t understand the term, do you??
 

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It's become the go-to insult of posters who are so invested in Ole staying they will actively attack any coach who is doing well and using a style of football that is 'different'. Jose was a hipster,
Jose hipster :lol:

One thing is spot on though, posters who support manager always have a go at other good managers and this trend started when Jose was here, not sure if this happened before too but lot of Jose boys were so pissed if any coach was praised, they took offense to that.
 

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Jose hipster :lol:

One thing is spot on though, posters who support manager always have a go at other good managers and this trend started when Jose was here, not sure if this happened before too but lot of Jose boys were so pissed if any coach was praised, they took offense to that.
He would 100% been slandered as a hipster because he played 433 at a time when you never saw it in the PL.

you don’t understand the term, do you??
The way you have punctuated this makes me think you asking my advice. I have none, other than hipster managers are just normal managers.
 

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It's become the go-to insult of posters who are so invested in Ole staying they will actively attack any coach who is doing well and using a style of football that is 'different'. Jose was a hipster, Klopp was a hipster, SAF would have been a hipster whilst at Aberdeen to these troglodytes.

The perfect case in point is Bielsa at Leeds. His style of football is genuinely so fun to watch AND is getting them points but he is a hipster because it's more 'sensible' to take the Big Sam or Bilic approach we've seen with WBA. Poch went from a proven PL coach to the biggest fraud in football because he was so strongly linked to Ole's job.

Tactical and technical football = hipster
Setting up with 2 DMs against the 2 worst teams in the league = exciting football
To be fair, this isn’t limited to posters who are fans of Ole. I’ve been seeing the term used for anyone that’s not a United manager, that United fans like, as far back as when Moyes was our manager. It just seems to be a catch all term for a non United manager.
 

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He would 100% been slandered as a hipster because he played 433 at a time when you never saw it in the PL.



The way you have punctuated this makes me think you asking my advice. I have none, other than hipster managers are just normal managers.
The way I punctuated it was to make it a question!

Your idea of a hipster manager is not correct. It is nothing to do with managers linked to Ole’s job.
 

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To be fair, this isn’t limited to posters who are fans of Ole. I’ve been seeing the term used for anyone that’s not a United manager, that United fans like, as far back as when Moyes was our manager. It just seems to be a catch all term for a non United manager.
I barely remember seeing it when Jose was here, it's 100% become more common last two years.

The way I punctuated it was to make it a question!

Your idea of a hipster manager is not correct. It is nothing to do with managers linked to Ole’s job.
You probably want to reread my post
 

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When someone says hipster manager I get the image of a bearded, suited man sipping a Starbucks casually watching a game of football, who then uses a lot of cliches and long words to describe what they have watched.
Exactly this. And the idea that someone hit me with above about 'so are Madrid hipters etc etc...' errr, no, they aren't, any more than it's possible for more than one type of person to admire the same thing yet remain different. A tall person who admires Jimmy Page's guitar skills does not become a short person the very moment Warwick Davies admits he too admires Jimmy Page.
 

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Exactly this. And the idea that someone hit me with above about 'so are Madrid hipters etc etc...' errr, no, they aren't, any more than it's possible for more than one type of person to admire the same thing yet remain different. A tall person who admires Jimmy Page's guitar skills does not become a short person the very moment Warwick Davies admits he too admires Jimmy Page.
Would you call Jimi Page the tall person musician, if in your view lots of tall persons rate Jimi Page as a guitarist? Why do a ton of coaches get defined by an imaginary cliche of a group that supposedly follows them?
 
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Would you call Jimi Page the tall person musician, if in your view lots of tall persons rate Jimi Page as a guitarist? Why do a ton of coaches get defined by an imaginary cliche of a group that supposedly follows them?
The manager is not the hipster - a sub-group of football followers tend to favour a certain type of manager and therefore that manager is labelled as a 'hipster manager' but perhaps the correct grammar would be hipters' manager - as in their manager of choice.

I genuinely think you are completely misunderstanding the definition I am making. In either example, neither Jimi Page nor the Manager are any different to how they normally are.

It's a bit like the old sexist thing of describing an intelligent woman as 'the thinking man's crumpet'. The implication is that an intelligent heterosexual man will be attracted to this intelligent woman all the more because she meets with their ideals.

The woman herself remains the same as she was.
 

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From what I see, 'hipster managers' are forward-thinking managers, especially in terms of their tactics and systems, who have not established themselves yet as a top coach (which seems to require working at a big club, and ideally winning trophies as well, as otherwise you might become a failed hipster manager), and who generally were not famous players themselves.

I guess the 'hipster' tag comes from these managers being noticed especially by people who like the theoretical side of the game. I suppose it would have been 'nerd managers' in the 80s, but 'hipster' is the go-to pejorative nowadays. (I do think 'pejorative' is the right word here; 'hipster manager' is pretty much always used negatively.)

So Nagelsmann, Rose, Potter, Hasenhüttl, and even Bielsa are all 'hipster managers', but people like Lampard and Ole would not have been. Not sure why Wilder isn't seen as a hipster though: he also plays 'funny' football. In that sense, I do think the perceived competition with Ole does play a role in some people's minds, as Wilder was never mentioned as a potential Manchester United coach.
 

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He would 100% been slandered as a hipster because he played 433 at a time when you never saw it in the PL.



The way you have punctuated this makes me think you asking my advice. I have none, other than hipster managers are just normal managers.
Serious question: were you even alive at that point? Because the 4-3-3 and variants of it were being played by numerous teams years before Jose rocked up. I mean, we were playing it in 2001/2, ffs!
 

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The manager is not the hipster - a sub-group of football followers tend to favour a certain type of manager and therefore that manager is labelled as a 'hipster manager' but perhaps the correct grammar would be hipters' manager - as in their manager of choice.

I genuinely think you are completely misunderstanding the definition I am making. In either example, neither Jimi Page nor the Manager are any different to how they normally are.

It's a bit like the old sexist thing of describing an intelligent woman as 'the thinking man's crumpet'. The implication is that an intelligent heterosexual man will be attracted to this intelligent woman all the more because she meets with their ideals.

The woman herself remains the same as she was.
I'm not misunderstanding you. I'm just asking you why it would be reasonable to identify a person by an imaginary group of people who supposedly rate them. Especially when it apparently mostly applies to people who have built a fairly sizeable reputation based on the merit of their work.
 

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If you hire a guy from a notoriously pretentious and silly football tactics internet blog as your assistant, you are a hipster manager. Case closed.
Are you talking about Rene Maric?
 

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Are you talking about Rene Maric?
He must be. I'm just not sure why that's funny. The guy did a great analysis of one of Rose's games, Rose asked him to provide advice on some stuff, that went great, and so Rose hired him full-time. Maybe I'm missing something, but this makes all the sense in the world to me...?