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Like when he got the assist for the first goal yesterday?
Yep. Got pushed off the ball several times when it needed to be held up for a split second more and then played forward into a run, to find that one key pass in one instance. And then scored two signature counter-attacking goals.

Don't get me wrong, I think he has a place in this squad and its tactical flexibility. He just wasn't the optimal striker for how we started out yesterday.
 

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Erm his finishing hasn’t changed?
Not really. He's always been ok on the break, save for that period where he couldn't hit a barn door from anywhere. It's telling that his goals have all come against Liverpool and Arsenal, teams that give him space to run into, and all three were on the break,
 

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Not really. He's always been ok on the break, save for that period where he couldn't hit a barn door from anywhere. It's telling that his goals have all come against Liverpool and Arsenal, teams that give him space to run into, and all three were on the break,
I think being good on the break isnt just Rashford, excluding Antony who know little about, that is the strength of ou rattack, pace and fast balls trhough the line. We are set up well to play some of the bigger teams if we can perform.....but playing sides who get behind the ball and dont go foward in such bigger numbers is more of a concern. We can forget the first two games really, but Leicester we really struggled to create anything.

I am certainly not conviced Rashford is a striker, or htat we can rely on Martial when he comesback fit. Oe that Fernandes will continue the decisive passes against certain sides.

I was 100% for selling both Rashford and Martial this summer, and not sure in all honesty that my mind will be changed this season, same even mroe so with Dalot who I have always thought was garbage, similar with McTominay.

But, let not go overboard, we beat a poor Liverpool, struggled past Leicester and got absolutely battered by Arsenal at times....but we have won all of those games, the attitude and work rate has been good amd though the football has not been perfect, improvements are beign made and the worth ethic and desire that has rubbed of from some of the new signings and management on to some of these players is working so far, we are seeing genuine effort and desire, so I really dont think we can criticise them at the moment....though I agee with what you are saying and I have been a staunch critic of many, not going to sing there praises after three games, but as much as they have deserved criticism for some time.....they are doing ok at the moment
 

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It probably feels inappropriate to criticise him after getting 2 goals and 1 assist, but there are still some concerning aspects of his game which don't seem to be changing or improving even under ETH.

It was quite noticeable yesterday and even previous games where is off the ball work and intensity is still poor. There were a few occasions yesterday where the crowd got on his back because he made very little effort to close down or press in situations where we could have put pressure on the defenders and keeper. I'm certain ETH would want forwards who have high intensity and pressing which I'm sure is what ETH keeps referring to after every match that we need to improve on our pressing. It was noticeable Bruno getting frustrated with Rashford on one occasion yesterday where Rashford should have been the one to press but he just slowed down and Bruno went and pressed instead.

If we are going to beat teams who sit deep, the high intensity and pressing is very important as that is what will allow us to force errors and lead to key chances. Rashford's pace will be less important in these games.
Good post. I totally agree
 

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Rashford, Sancho, Martial and Antony is good for 2 wing spots. A striker like Toney would drastically change the whole dynamics.
Toney is the perfect striker for us and the system we'd like to play. Powerful, strong, technically good enough, strong finisher, etc. I would go in for him this January.
 

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My man of the match but I already know him as one of the best breakaway scorers in football. That one skill is why I prefer him to start over Ronaldo. He will also try to play with the wing forwards so it's not a one way street.

This is however not some turning point performance. It's the same movie we've been watching. If he got to run into space all 38 games he'd be competing with Haland. If he gets through the next game without regressing to the player who has little clue how to use his talents against deeper defensive lines I'll join the celebrations. Decent stats sprinkled into poor general play is the curse he has to break. At least his production is returning, that should be enough to keep us afloat till we can control games. Long term is anybody's guess.
 
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He needs to watch a few Raheem Sterling tap in videos and start getting the goals at the back post position that Lineker is always banging on about. With Anthony on the right wing I suspect there will be opportunities at the back post throughout this season, especially against the low block teams.
 

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He is looking good again, but I'm still not convinced we can be league winners again with Rashford leading the line. Will he soon be edged out of the team? Antony will surely make RW his own. Sancho, who I thought we bought for the RW I guess will play LW. When Martial is fit again its between Rashford/Martial and Ronaldo for the #9 position. Looks like Ronaldo will be used sparingly, so does that leave Rashford and Ronaldo battling it out for a starting spot as striker or back-up LW?
 

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Remember when some people wanted to cancel his contract to make room for Cody Gakpo....
 

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I think being good on the break isnt just Rashford, excluding Antony who know little about, that is the strength of ou rattack, pace and fast balls trhough the line. We are set up well to play some of the bigger teams if we can perform.....but playing sides who get behind the ball and dont go foward in such bigger numbers is more of a concern. We can forget the first two games really, but Leicester we really struggled to create anything.

I am certainly not conviced Rashford is a striker, or htat we can rely on Martial when he comesback fit. Oe that Fernandes will continue the decisive passes against certain sides.

I was 100% for selling both Rashford and Martial this summer, and not sure in all honesty that my mind will be changed this season, same even mroe so with Dalot who I have always thought was garbage, similar with McTominay.

But, let not go overboard, we beat a poor Liverpool, struggled past Leicester and got absolutely battered by Arsenal at times....but we have won all of those games, the attitude and work rate has been good amd though the football has not been perfect, improvements are beign made and the worth ethic and desire that has rubbed of from some of the new signings and management on to some of these players is working so far, we are seeing genuine effort and desire, so I really dont think we can criticise them at the moment....though I agee with what you are saying and I have been a staunch critic of many, not going to sing there praises after three games, but as much as they have deserved criticism for some time.....they are doing ok at the moment
I agree and suspect time will sort out the overreactions. it's the same player he was against Leicester. His weaknesses didn't just disappear under one week he just got to play in his ideal setup. We have a few whose performances get progressively worse the higher our possession. I don't think we've even gotten close to fixing that problem.
 
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He is looking good again, but I'm still not convinced we can be league winners again with Rashford leading the line. Will he soon be edged out of the team? Antony will surely make RW his own. Sancho, who I thought we bought for the RW I guess will play LW. When Martial is fit again its between Rashford/Martial and Ronaldo for the #9 position. Looks like Ronaldo will be used sparingly, so does that leave Rashford and Ronaldo battling it out for a starting spot as striker or back-up LW?
Sancho is the man who will currently be out in the cold I would expect. It will be Rashford-Martial-Antony as the starting front three if everyone is fit, with Sancho covering LW and RW as first change. They will all get plenty of minutes though, as we are still arguably one forward short.
 

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Rashford scores goals against Arsenal and Liverpool, one team unbeaten in the league all calendar year and the other with a 100% record this season.

Caf reaction - yeah, those teams are easy for Rashford to play against. We will really judge his talent when we play Bournemouth or Chester away in the cup.
 
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. Regs has been sitting on the “I told you so’s” for this thread for presumably over 400 days..
No-one said I told you so and your post was less than 30 days old.
You predicted him to be utter shite over the next few weeks and the excuses were gone, instead he’s scored v Liverpool, assisted v Leicester and assisted + scored a brace v Arsenal.

I said “this post aged well”, and you lost your arse you big softy.
 

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He is looking good again, but I'm still not convinced we can be league winners again with Rashford leading the line. Will he soon be edged out of the team? Antony will surely make RW his own. Sancho, who I thought we bought for the RW I guess will play LW. When Martial is fit again its between Rashford/Martial and Ronaldo for the #9 position. Looks like Ronaldo will be used sparingly, so does that leave Rashford and Ronaldo battling it out for a starting spot as striker or back-up LW?
If are forwards where fit Rashford wouldn't be leading the line for us, Rashford will be competing with Sancho for the left spot more than likely.
 

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Rashford scores goals against Arsenal and Liverpool, one team unbeaten in the league all calendar year and the other with a 100% record this season.

Caf reaction - yeah, those teams are easy for Rashford to play against. We will really judge his talent when we play Bournemouth or Chester away in the cup.
So true :lol:
 

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Criticisms of Rashford as an ST are odd, because it's clear he's deputizing there due to our lack of options at the position due to Martial's injury, and ETH needing to demonstrate to Ronaldo he's not going to kowtow to him. Obviously we know he struggles with various elements of what you want and need from an ST in terms of hold up play, linking in possession, awareness and movement in the box, etc. Reality is in an ideal world that's not where he'd be playing or what we'd ask of him.

With all that said, if he's helping us turn the tide and win games with goals and assists while operating out of position then he deserves credit, not nitpicking criticism, for helping the team come through a difficult period in a position he's not best suited to.
 

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He is looking good again, but I'm still not convinced we can be league winners again with Rashford leading the line. Will he soon be edged out of the team? Antony will surely make RW his own. Sancho, who I thought we bought for the RW I guess will play LW. When Martial is fit again its between Rashford/Martial and Ronaldo for the #9 position. Looks like Ronaldo will be used sparingly, so does that leave Rashford and Ronaldo battling it out for a starting spot as striker or back-up LW?
I think you'll be surprised, I think it will be Sancho dropping to the bench and Martial up top.

I use to think it would be Sancho left Martial up top but from the way Ten Hag talks about Rashford and the fact he plays 90 every week even when Ronaldo comes on it seems he much prefers his physical profile up top over Sancho's.
 

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No-one said I told you so and your post was less than 30 days old.
You predicted him to be utter shite over the next few weeks and the excuses were gone, instead he’s scored v Liverpool, assisted v Leicester and assisted + scored a brace v Arsenal.

I said “this post aged well”, and you lost your arse you big softy.
Come to deans gate square 6pm Saturday and see if I’m a big softy..
 

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He was better against Arsenal than for a very long time. He even went up for a header. I liked the way he moved as soon as Bruno got the ball. And the pass to Anthony too. Hopefully he has turned a corner.
 

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We all know this guy is decent against a high line. I am telling you that we will struggle to break down crystal palace with him in the team. He should be a sub, not a starter.
 

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Rashford scores goals against Arsenal and Liverpool, one team unbeaten in the league all calendar year and the other with a 100% record this season.

Caf reaction - yeah, those teams are easy for Rashford to play against. We will really judge his talent when we play Bournemouth or Chester away in the cup.
Otherwise known as sustainability, translating your talents to be functional weekly. This is the same flaw that allowed ole to beat PSG, RB, then end up in the Europa league
 

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Ralf is the only manager overlooking him when he is match fit, even Jose had to sent him on in those critical moments.
 

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Ralf is the only manager overlooking him when he is match fit, even Jose had to sent him on in those critical moments.
Ralf didn't ovelook him in his first month or two. He and Ronaldo were priority. His first games had that 4222 formation that played everyone but them out of position. Ronaldo asking to leave might have been the best thing to happen to ETH, he didn't have to make it work from the start. Once Ralf went back to lone striker formations Ronaldo starting and finishing every game never allowed Rashford to subbed in centrally. His high maintenance is honestly why I don't mind if he never makes it back to the XI.
 
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Didn’t post after the game as have been busy, but let’s face it against Arsenal he was fantastic. He was less intense than the wide forwards regarding work rate but I put this down to being central where it’s more intense covering both directions than one when you are out wide. When he went out wide when Ronaldo came on his pressuring was much better.

I feel like there’s a middle ground between the posters who use any good performances to start calling anyone who criticised his performances are ‘cnuts’(ridiculous behaviour btw) and then those who are convinced he’s ‘championship quality through and through. I’ve always thought he has the talent and skill set to be a top player but was immensely frustrated by an absolute catalogue of dire performances.

it’s twice under Ten Hag he has been outstanding, albeit both were against low block teams with his pace on the counter attack. But I do believe he has what it takes to play in a possession based side against low blocks. His recent assists show (as I’ve always said tbf) that his passing is underrated and he can pick the occasional worldie pass.

Basically I think that if anyone can convert him into the consistent player we need it’s Ten Hag, who did allude to the massive potential improvements that are still required from Rashford. He still has a way to go to justify his status in the side and its fair enough that some are skeptics as the number of performances that have been nothing short of dreadful, often coupled with poor work rate entirely justify this. However signs are promising and will be interesting/exciting to see what some good coaching will do to his overall level and consistency.

tldr; past criticism is justified based on performances, but his talent is if anything underrated and now it’s exciting to see how he develops under Ten Hag.
 

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Didn’t post after the game as have been busy, but let’s face it against Arsenal he was fantastic. He was less intense than the wide forwards regarding work rate but I put this down to being central where it’s more intense covering both directions than one when you are out wide. When he went out wide when Ronaldo came on his pressuring was much better.

I feel like there’s a middle ground between the posters who use any good performances to start calling anyone who criticised his performances are ‘cnuts’(ridiculous behaviour btw) and then those who are convinced he’s ‘championship quality through and through. I’ve always thought he has the talent and skill set to be a top player but was immensely frustrated by an absolute catalogue of dire performances.

it’s twice under Ten Hag he has been outstanding, albeit both were against low block teams with his pace on the counter attack. But I do believe he has what it takes to play in a possession based side against low blocks. His recent assists show (as I’ve always said tbf) that his passing is underrated and he can pick the occasional worldie pass.

Basically I think that if anyone can convert him into the consistent player we need it’s Ten Hag, who did allude to the massive potential improvements that are still required from Rashford. He still has a way to go to justify his status in the side and its fair enough that some are skeptics as the number of performances that have been nothing short of dreadful, often coupled with poor work rate entirely justify this. However signs are promising and will be interesting/exciting to see what some good coaching will do to his overall level and consistency.

tldr; past criticism is justified based on performances, but his talent is if anything underrated and now it’s exciting to see how he develops under Ten Hag.
Great post
 

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Didn’t post after the game as have been busy, but let’s face it against Arsenal he was fantastic. He was less intense than the wide forwards regarding work rate but I put this down to being central where it’s more intense covering both directions than one when you are out wide. When he went out wide when Ronaldo came on his pressuring was much better.

I feel like there’s a middle ground between the posters who use any good performances to start calling anyone who criticised his performances are ‘cnuts’(ridiculous behaviour btw) and then those who are convinced he’s ‘championship quality through and through. I’ve always thought he has the talent and skill set to be a top player but was immensely frustrated by an absolute catalogue of dire performances.

it’s twice under Ten Hag he has been outstanding, albeit both were against low block teams with his pace on the counter attack. But I do believe he has what it takes to play in a possession based side against low blocks. His recent assists show (as I’ve always said tbf) that his passing is underrated and he can pick the occasional worldie pass.

Basically I think that if anyone can convert him into the consistent player we need it’s Ten Hag, who did allude to the massive potential improvements that are still required from Rashford. He still has a way to go to justify his status in the side and its fair enough that some are skeptics as the number of performances that have been nothing short of dreadful, often coupled with poor work rate entirely justify this. However signs are promising and will be interesting/exciting to see what some good coaching will do to his overall level and consistency.

tldr; past criticism is justified based on performances, but his talent is if anything underrated and now it’s exciting to see how he develops under Ten Hag.
Exceptional post
 

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I thought with Antony and Sancho in his second season, he will finally hit the bench, but looks like he will be a starter for another season.

is Rooney the last attacker that we signed for big money(at the time) that actually worked? Or I guess Fernandes.
 

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Marcus Rashford looking a good bet to be our leading scorer this season. The GOAT is no longer up to it.
 

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The fact that he scores and creates in a team which has so much difficulty doing so, it'd be silly to keep him out the side. Ronaldo should be on the bench as backup for Martial and Marcus.
 
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