[Pogue Mahone]

If we want to get rid surely we would want him to do better like Antony is?

For sure. I just don’t think he has it in him. I’m not buying the idea that he’s a brilliant player who somehow suddenly stopped being arsed. He’s just not as good as he/we hoped he would be.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

For sure. I just don’t think he has it in him. I’m not buying the idea that he’s a brilliant player who somehow suddenly stopped being arsed. He’s just not as good as he/we hoped he would be.

Too many refuse to see the signs, which were even there years ago.

But hey let's make another Rashford comp with clips from 2019 saying "how could United let him leave on loan???"

 

[Kingdingaling]

Why the vitriol then if he’s performed at the level you think his talent warranted?

Is this much negativity directed at everyone who doesn’t play at a level that they’re not capable of?

 

[Pickle85]

Why the vitriol then if he’s performed at the level you think his talent warranted?

Is this much negativity directed at everyone who doesn’t play at a level that they’re not capable of?

Isn't it more about the 'average AND can't be added/shite attitude' combo?

 

[Kingdingaling]

Isn't it more about the 'average AND can't be added/shite attitude' combo?

You would have to ask them, though I doubt they would know.

Apparently he ‘doesn’t have it in him’ to ‘do better than he is’, which would be a strange thing to be so angry about.

 

[Brazilian_Ronaldo_9]

Is it me or he doesn’t look really quick where he’ll beat a man? Compared to few years ago.

 

[fergiewherearethou]

The fact that he is allegedly doing better at Villa should anger United fans more than it should delight them. People hold him up as the face of the club, the academy player that loves the club more than anyone. Clearly it was a case of him not trying at United. It's not just the last 18 months, it's been close to 5 years now, minus that 3 month purple patch in 23. He didn't perform under Ole at the end, clearly not under Ragnick, he didn't perform for Ten Hag and he didn't perform for Amorim.

If you are backing Rashford at this point, it's Player FC and nothing else. I don't care if he has the ability to win a balon d'or in him, I don't ever want to see him in a United badge again.

A United academy player, still on our books, using his spite towards United as motivation disgusts me, but I have standards.

First of all he isn't doing anything special at Villa and if he does I don't think it will be to spite United.
Secondly, in the last 6 years, he had 3 good seasons and 3 bad ones overall, including this one. Our fans wanted him to be Mbappe, he clearly isn't, but he is still better than the dross we currently have upfront.

 

[Roboc7]

Needs him to take a wage cut (wherever he goes) … whether he would is another matter. We’ll see if he wants to p!ss about on a wage weekly wage several times a lot of peoples annual salary OR a clean break, full time football and still a great wage (for 99.9% of the population).

He won’t take a wage cut unless we make up the difference, unfortunately that is the scenario we find ourselves in. Even in he unlikely event Villa wanted to sign him for 40m I suspect a large sum from that fee would have to go in Rashford’s pocket.

The club has handed out silly contracts and the players are going to make sure they get paid.

 

[Smores]

He won’t take a wage cut unless we make up the difference, unfortunately that is the scenario we find ourselves in. Even in he unlikely event Villa wanted to sign him for 40m I suspect a large sum from that fee would have to go in Rashford’s pocket.

The club has handed out silly contracts and the players are going to make sure they get paid.

I think it'll depend on who wants him, any decent club he'll probably be eager enough to join them that we can force him to forfeit the salary.

Far more likely it's a club like Villa though in which case yeah we'll probably need to pay him off. We need him to start scoring so a bigger club come calling.

 

[ryansgirl]

Is it me or he doesn’t look really quick where he’ll beat a man? Compared to few years ago.

I don`t think it`s you, seems to have lost a bit of pace. I don`t think Marcus is performing at a particularly praiseworthy level at Villa - isn`t that what a professional footballer is supposed to do especially after they wanted away from their original club? But I think he`s relieved to get away from the pressure cooker of United and looks like he`s actually enjoying football sometimes which is good.

I don`t get some saying he should be back here - if he can only do what he should be doing at Villa after going on loan from us, he shouldn`t be back. In his case. You can be a fan of Marcus like I am but be realistic, it`s over for him at United, he mentally tuned out some time ago for various reasons. Amorim`s copped a lot of flack for his management but calling Marcus` bluff and telling him the management and club weren`t going to spend the energy anymore on a player who hasn`t got his act together while on a massive contract was the kind of decision that had to be made.

Marcus` problem seems to be he`s poor at compartmentalising his life - unlike great players or even very good ones, he can`t seem to switch off his problems on the pitch. He might not have been out on the town before he had that confrontation with Amorim but if the manager had confirmation he was, then the `Are you calling me a liar?` was Marcus deflecting his own wrong behavior on to the latest manager. If he`d been consistenly producing on the pitch or had put his hand up and tried to show some leadership, then maybe that was tolerable. I wish him all the best but nobody should wish him back, that ship`s sailed.

 

[JustinC00]

371 minutes played for Villa after today, 0 goals
220 minutes under Amorim, 3 goals

 

[Shark]

371 minutes played for Villa after today, 0 goals
220 minutes under Amorim, 3 goals

The argument that ex United players will somehow do better outside the toxic United environment almost never translates into reality, but it's constantly used. Can't think of s single player across the past decade that's teared shit up after leaving us. Wouldn't even count Ronaldo because of the league he moved to.

 

[Cloud7]

The argument that ex United players will somehow do better outside the toxic United environment almost never translates into reality, but it's constantly used. Can't think of s single player across the past decade that's teared shit up after leaving us. Wouldn't even count Ronaldo because of the league he moved to.

And yet that ridiculous argument will keep getting peddled out. “United ruin players and managers” as if any of them have gone on to achieve anything after leaving United.

 

[CloneMC16]

The argument that ex United players will somehow do better outside the toxic United environment almost never translates into reality, but it's constantly used. Can't think of s single player across the past decade that's teared shit up after leaving us. Wouldn't even count Ronaldo because of the league he moved to.

Yup, doesn't happen. Some players do okay. We've had a few go over to Italy and do decently, but not really 'tearing it up'.

None of them are going to better teams and performing.

 

[Escobar]

Lets hope he has that one Sancho moment that tricks clubs into making offers

 

[Martinez4midfield]

Lets hope he has that one Sancho moment that tricks clubs into making offers

Now that he's lost a yard. I don't think so he's acreage as they come now. Don't think the rub of the green can save him now.

 

[Zumbi]

And yet that ridiculous argument will keep getting peddled out. “United ruin players and managers” as if any of them have gone on to achieve anything after leaving United.

Er, wouldn’t them not doing anything of note after Utd actually support the argument that Utd ruins them? We just ruin them permanently.

 

[Cloud7]

Er, wouldn’t them not doing anything of note after Utd actually support the argument that Utd ruins them? We just ruin them permanently.

How do we ruin them permanently mate? Please explain that to me? Do we break their legs? Do we space jam them and take their talent?

The best example of how stupid that line of thinking is is that Moyes has actually been successful at what he was good at before, since dropping back down to that level. United didn't ruin anything in him while he was here, he just wasn't suited to this level but is for a lower level. The rest have not gone on to anything big because they were crap here and elsewhere.

 

[Zumbi]

How do we ruin them permanently mate? Please explain that to me? Do we break their legs? Do we space jam them and take their talent?

The best example of how stupid that line of thinking is is that Moyes has actually been successful at what he was good at before, since dropping back down to that level. United didn't ruin anything in him while he was here, he just wasn't suited to this level but is for a lower level. The rest have not gone on to anything big because they were crap here and elsewhere.

Take it easy bud. I’m not actually saying we do, just pointing out that the logic behind your assertion doesn’t stack up. Them doing nothing of note after Utd is not good evidence that we’re not ruining them.

 

[Wilt]

371 minutes played for Villa after today, 0 goals
220 minutes under Amorim, 3 goals

591 minutes played, £10 million plus paid.

 

[soapythecat]

Quite worrying how Villa are now phasing him out. His minutes and lack of effort are all pointing towards Villa not making an offer. Him coming back to us in the Summer is proper bad news.
Come on Marcus lad, just a few months effort eh?

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

591 minutes played, £10 million plus paid.

Dann, nno matter how you slice it, that is the very definition of being successful. No wonder he dont seem to be bothered with anything. I would be exactly the same or even worse.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Take it easy bud. I’m not actually saying we do, just pointing out that the logic behind your assertion doesn’t stack up. Them doing nothing of note after Utd is not good evidence that we’re not ruining them.

You don’t “ruin” talented footballers. That’s the point. If they were good enough to play for a team with CL aspirations to begin with they would look class as soon as they join a a more functional team. When that doesn’t happen it really just confirms they weren’t good enough to begin with.

 

[ErikElevenHag]

Quite worrying how Villa are now phasing him out. His minutes and lack of effort are all pointing towards Villa not making an offer. Him coming back to us in the Summer is proper bad news.
Come on Marcus lad, just a few months effort eh?

How have they phased him out?

His usage at villa has been pretty consistent since being there. Coming on for the last 25 minutes consistently barring a couple of games where they were chasing and he came on straight after half time and a single FA cup start.

 

[arthurka]

Did anyone really think this would pan out any differently. His head is gone no changing that.

 

[Pexbo]

Quite worrying how Villa are now phasing him out. His minutes and lack of effort are all pointing towards Villa not making an offer. Him coming back to us in the Summer is proper bad news.
Come on Marcus lad, just a few months effort eh?

Barcelona will be looking at his efforts and licking their lips thinking “yep this is a world class player definitely saving himself for us”

 

[Godfather]

Quite worrying how Villa are now phasing him out. His minutes and lack of effort are all pointing towards Villa not making an offer. Him coming back to us in the Summer is proper bad news.
Come on Marcus lad, just a few months effort eh?

Biggest worry I had seems to come true. No way anyone is going to pay his insane wages either if he fecks this loan up.

 

[Oranges038]

Did anyone really think this would pan out any differently. His head is gone no changing that.

People did, but more in hope than expectation.

He's done, no interest in the game.

 

[VP89]

Quite worrying how Villa are now phasing him out.

He literally started midweek

 

[Red00012]

How have they phased him out?

His usage at villa has been pretty consistent since being there. Coming on for the last 25 minutes consistently barring a couple of games where they were chasing and he came on straight after half time and a single FA cup start.

They’re not phasing him out but he’s either getting 60 mins from the start or 20/25 from the bench . He has yet to complete 90 mins

 

[arthurka]

People did, but more in hope than expectation.

He's done, no interest in the game.

It's the hope that kills you.

 

[Marwood]

371 minutes played for Villa after today, 0 goals
220 minutes under Amorim, 3 goals

This and Sancho's stats need repeating everytime a pundit reads from the "United ruin players" script.

 

[Doracle]

Quiet cameo yesterday as he came on with Villa in defensive mode and didn’t see much of the ball. Some decent defensive work and held possession well a few times but no real chance to do much in attack.

 

[Walrus]

With Rashford I always thought he was an average-to-good prospect in the academy - never one of the absolute standouts or wonderkids. Difference was that Rashford was in the right place at the right time to get given his chance in the first team and he absolutely took it.

It often happens with young players that when they burst onto the scene opponents don’t quite know how to deal with them, and they have all that energy and pace that makes them a threat. Once they are an established first teamer though, they need to show they have the footballing intelligence too. In addition to that, it’s a different set of requirements to play in a team that wants to control the game, versus one that is happy to just sit back and counter attack.

The other thing which I think is more unique to Rashford is his off the field work. Honestly, it wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest if he simply lost his passion for the game a bit and realised that there are more important things in life, and more important issues in the world that he can use his reputation to try to fix. If that’s the case then fair play to him - but he should actually dedicate himself to it and quit the day job. Could see him going into politics (don’t know how successful he would be).

 

[Shane88]

32 appearances this season and he has completed 90 minutes a grand total of 4 times with 2 of those being in the first 3 games of the season.

I'm sticking with my assertion that he is physically finished.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Villa forum not as negative about him as I thought it would be, it's quite postive actually.

 

[Hammondo]

How do we ruin them permanently mate? Please explain that to me? Do we break their legs? Do we space jam them and take their talent?

The best example of how stupid that line of thinking is is that Moyes has actually been successful at what he was good at before, since dropping back down to that level. United didn't ruin anything in him while he was here, he just wasn't suited to this level but is for a lower level. The rest have not gone on to anything big because they were crap here and elsewhere.

Very similar to Antony, doing better in an easier league.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

Villa forum not as negative about him as I thought it would be, it's quite postive actually.

Understandably so, since they're not the ones paying him 300 thousand grand p/w. Pay up 40 million for him, make him their highest earner, and let's talk about it a year from now.

 

[2 man midfield]

32 appearances this season and he has completed 90 minutes a grand total of 4 times with 2 of those being in the first 3 games of the season.

I'm sticking with my assertion that he is physically finished.

He’s never been the best player technically, and it’s clear that after his injury problems he’s lost a yard of acceleration and/or pace. He just doesn’t have that explosiveness anymore, and without it he isn’t the same player.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Understandably so, since they're not the ones paying him 300 thousand grand p/w. Pay up 40 million for him, make him their highest earner, and let's talk about it a year from now.

They're paying well over £200 k per week towards his wage, so the fans clearly need to see some value for that outlay.