And you seem to be saying that should make him a target?
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Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 22
- Goals
- 7
- Assists
- 3
- Yellow cards
- 2
Ehm, yes?
So once they're gone the purge is complete and everything will come up roses?
Exactly the type of poster I'm talking about, just own it instead of tying yourself in knots trying to dress it up as something other than.... bitching at someone's wealth and status.
I don't actually have a problem with it (although I do think its weird and a bit haterish) or with those criticising performances....
I dont begrudge him his wages but his performances being bad have to be called out. Not only that but he missed training after going on a midweek piss up in that time, so his professionalism has been suspect.
Basically his lack of returns in the last 18 months have been poor as they were the previous 15 months before his good spell. If you break it down he has had 6 months where he did well versus nearly 30 where he has been really poor in the last 3/4 seasons. Not someone to hang your hat on I'd suggest.
I have absolutely no idea what you’re on about. I’m not bitching about his wealth and status.
No problem with any of that....
Bro your whole reason for engaging with me was to argue the merits of rinsing a player due to their status and wealth.... as opposed to their performances
You seem confused by your own words. But no, my reason for engaging you wasn’t arguing the merits of rinsing a player due to status and wealth. If you look below, you will see the post i originally quoted and what i argued, the corrolation between wages and performances and that it’s only natural that increased wages result in increased scrutiny and thus increased amount of criticism when the performances are bad. You won’t find a single post from me, or hardly anyone else for that matter, arguing that Rashford should be rinsed simply because of status and wealth.
So why are we even talking about it? a few pages and several back and forths later? this is proper redcafe.... I think we've done this for long enough.
For the record and to reiterate, I don't think the players wages or some perceived status in the team hierarchy (deserved or not) is justification for getting onto our players, performances is what matters to me. I feel the same when it's Rashford, Bruno, Casemiro or whoever, but you do you...
You still don’t seem to understand what you’re writing, but that’s perfectly fine, but it’s good to see that you’ve listed our best paid players when you talk about how you feel the same when they don’t perform
To sum up quickly. Good performances are rewarded with contracts with increased wages, which highlights importance in team. The higher the wages the more scrutiny you will be under. As a result, it’s only natural that Rashford, and other top paid players, will be under more scrutiny if their performances decline, because the expected performance is linked with wages. That obviously doesn’t mean that people will be happy when Amad, Garnacho, or any player for that matter, isn’t performing well, but how well they are expected to perform is still linked with their wages, i don’t expect Amad to consistently perform at a high enough level
That's my initial point that went over your head (and its still out of reach for you it seems) so I'll engage on this. You are arguing that Rashford is not worth the money or status he has, so why are you criticising him for it? He didn't force anyone to give him high wages or status. You're still tying yourself in nots trying to justify your urge to moan / criticise / abuse. Just criticise his underwhelming performances, they are there front and center.... with fans like these who needs opps ehYou still don’t seem to understand what you’re writing, but that’s perfectly fine, but it’s good to see that you’ve listed our best paid players when you talk about how you feel the same when they don’t perform
To sum up quickly. Good performances are rewarded with contracts with increased wages, which highlights importance in team. The higher the wages the more scrutiny you will be under. As a result, it’s only natural that Rashford, and other top paid players, will be under more scrutiny if their performances decline, because the expected performance is linked with wages. That obviously doesn’t mean that people will be happy when Amad, Garnacho, or any player for that matter, isn’t performing well, but how well they are expected to perform is still linked with their wages, i don’t expect Amad to consistently perform at a high enough level
The minute Sancho fecked off Rashford downed tools as well. It's been clear as day.
He needs to go now in the summer, I think. When you're debating rather a player of his wage status has had a couple of good "moments" the odd game, rather then even giving a stellar 90 minute performance against sub par opposition, you know people are clutching at straws.
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Why do certain posters on here get so incredibly defensive over Rashford, another reason I can't wait to see him leave. He has a very intense group of fans that almost attack you for making perfectly logical claims about the guy.
Whoever the new manager is, I hope he has the balls to sell Marcus in January. Enough is enough
Some people here is beyond saving.. You complain that Rashford doesn't produce when he is tasked with being a sidelinehugger and forced to help the the defender when he should be ready by the byline to attack balls behind their defensive line. His drop in form is on ETH who changed tactics from using Marcus as the outlet to having him be a pawn in a failed system.. Should have just built on from his great first season when Marcus was the outlet ...
This is such a weird one. I am not criticising Rashford for being on the money he is.
I am criticising him for his performance and performances only, while stating the obvious, which is that the money he is on also means that his performances will be under more scrutiny. Why performing at a similar level, or slightly better, as upcoming talents isn’t anywhere near good enough. It’s exactly the same with big money signings, either both wages and transfer fees, wages alone and sign on fee or whatnot, the more you cost the club the more scrutiny your performances will be under because of the expectations that naturally follow. If you can’t understand the correlation and why these expectations exist, then i can’t really help you.
His drop in form happened while he was still the main outlet. He had a wonderful few months after the World Cup, but then he declined and that decline continued into last season, where we still constantly looked to play him in behind.
It’s not like someone leaves and suddenly everything is great, the weak attitude took a while to foster and grow. Rashford can turn it around, he’s still quite young and the ability is there. Shaw should have gone years ago.
Good point.
Just go watch a YouTube video on how modern pressing is done. And then watch Rashford's positioning for any length of a game and tell me what you see. And then if you are going to make excuses, really think if the utter lack of desire in pressing you saw is offset by... Wait the stats say he's utter shit at pressing and he's in the bottom 17% of wingers in top 5 leagues at scoring or assisting?? But surely that doesn't make sense. But wait theres more, he's a top 10 paid winger too. And no matter how many parties he goes to he gets a slap on the wrist and starts almost every game???
Comical to argue Rashford is even a premier league level player. Goes straight to MLS or Saudi League. Straight up playing 10v11 with his past it body. Heck you'd probably be better of playing 10v11 as a coach.
He really is almost as bad as you're making out!
Terrible, and I hope we find some way to get rid. I don't trust him, even if he gets back in form for a bit under Amorim. We know the mood and prissiness will take over. It's been going on since about a year after he came through. That's the man he is, and it's only getting worse. His lack of development since he brought on the attitude under Mourinho is shameful.Agree with other posters that we need to get rid of him and buy a new LW (Garnacho is still inconsistent at this age).
Rashy is too patchy and soft to be our starting winger. We cannot afford to have our key player playing good for 1-2 games and sulk and lose all 50-50s for the next 5 games. It simply leads us to nowhere apart from being a mid-table club.
Rashy is too patchy and soft to be our starting winger. We cannot afford to have our key player playing good for 1-2 games and sulk and lose all 50-50s for the next 5 games. It simply leads us to nowhere apart from being a mid-table club.
Punk is stealing a living but I come on here and read all the criticism people are giving Garnacho? Get real.
He’s turning 27 in a few days and he’s been in the comfort zone for close to a few years now.
I hope i’m wrong, but i really don’t see him turning things around. I’ve said it a few times, but it takes a special type of cnut to highlight his own significance by pointint out how special he is, which is exactly what him and Lingard were playing at when they were getting shit for their performances and they did their % of footballers to actually make it.
Unless you have a god given talent, which i can’t imagine that a lot of players do, you just don’t get away with it at this level unless you’re always giving a 100%. Which is where i think Rashford has completely failed, like so many other players in the past, you reach a point where everything is going well and then you get comfortable, you relax, and before you know it you’re in a situation where you’re consistently being outperformed by players that really shouldn’t be anywhere near your level.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a new manager bounce where you suddenly see him put in a lot more sprints, be a lot more active in putting pressure on the opposition, but i doubt it’ll last long.
Really hope whoever comes in as the new manager will unshackle Rashford from his defensive duties. Let him play to his attacking strengths in and around the box instead of sticking him at RB half the game.
Defensive duties, that’s a fecking good one.
Jesus fecking christ. So as his heatmap shows, he’s clearly not playing as a fullback, nor a right back, so what the absolute fecking feck are you actually on about
That he plays half the game behind his own midline, and most of the rest of the time he's restricted to be a touchline winger instead of moving towards the box where historically he's done his best work.
He doesn’t. He might be somewhat more restricted this season than he was last season, but it has diddly squat to do with his performance issues. The main issue here is that his 2,5 month period after the world cup, where he was consistently assisting and scoring, has been turned into something it’s not. No idea why people have suddenly started spinning this as if Rashford «sudden» change of form is some sort of result of him being tasked to help out more in defence.
He knows full well the ice under him is wafer thin - expect him to turn in goal a game MOM performances under the new gaffer to prove his 'relevance' and scupper any move away, then rinse and repeat the mediocrity when the next little hiccup not to his liking occurs - the shithouse.
Single biggest decision INEOS need to make on the playing squad is to make an example of Rashford and fire him out of a cannon. We need a major player casualty to really set the tone and Rashford is that.
It's madness. As infuriating as Nashers can be for periods of the game he's still the most exciting player to watch we've had in years. Always puts a shift in regardless of if he lacks in other areas, he can be coached. There's hope and a future here for him. Rashford has been done at the top level both physically and mentally for years.
135 goals and 72 assists in 2 months is bloody impressive.
He has 135 goals and 72 assists since the last world cup?
Your post suggested that Marcus has only had one good season or a "2.5-month period", but he has had multiple seasons with over 20 goal contributions.
Was asked to undertake some defensive responsibilities in one game and some people are desperately clinging to that to try and excuse two years of being awful
Can't we just wait and see what the new Manager's plans with him will be?
No one in here knows if Amorim will find a way to motivate and use him in his system.
It could go either way imo.
Amorim could put a fire up his arse and he could love to play in a finally offensive minded setup.
It could also be the Amorim don't fancy him and will sell him.
Let's just wait and see.
No one in here knows if Amorim will find a way to motivate and use him in his system.
It could go either way imo.
Amorim could put a fire up his arse and he could love to play in a finally offensive minded setup.
It could also be the Amorim don't fancy him and will sell him.
Let's just wait and see.
The fact anyone's talking optimistically about the next manager being able to come in to motivate Rashford into looking like he gives a toss, I find mind-blowing. How far have we sunk where we're still pandering to this?