[lsd]

You have posters here that dont allow for Rashford to be criticised, no matter what he does. Often, the same people cant make the distinction between criticism and hate.

If you can read posts on here about him and not consider it hate then you have some strange definition of the word.

Again it's disgusting the way so many United fans talk about their own player who has been here pretty much all his life and never dragged the name of the club into the gutter.

 

[The Cat]

They don't need to use the word hate... It's really obvious in the way some of you talk about him. It's like the worst of you have no self awareness....

Are you talking about me there? Using the word you twice? I hope not.

 

[afrocentricity]

Are you talking about me there? Using the word you twice? I hope not.

Well I wasn't... But you would know

 

[clarkydaz]

I can only think people who hate on Rashford are the most spoilt and entitled of united fans.

I couldn't care less what other fans or the media say about him but for any united fan too hate a homegrown player as much as they do a United player who has achieved so much in his career is disgusting.

Theres something seriously wrong that Rashford gets so much hate from his own fans. I would see through it if he was in the papers beating up Eileen and worse like certain other players who never got that hate but the guy has been a perfect role model for kids everywhere.

It's almost as if his own attitude and behavior brought it on himself. I couldn't give a toss if he is from the academy, it's this free pass that spawned a self entitlement over the last 10 years

 

[FlawlessVictory88]

One of the worst performing forwards in the league for more than 2 seasons now, the standard has dropped so far that some fans still want him here.

He'd be a squad player at best under SAF.

 

[KD6-3.7]

Not even Antony?

My problem with Rashford despite thinking he was never actually a good technical footballer even during his purple patches, his attitude absolutely stinks, puts in zero to no effort when he is playing abysmally, just sulks around after giving the ball away and breaking down every single attack.

 

[elmo]

My problem with Rashford despite thinking he was never actually a good technical footballer even during his purple patches, his attitude absolutely stinks, puts in zero to no effort when he is playing abysmally, just sulks around after giving the ball away and breaking down every single attack.

Well said.

It’s quite clear plenty of people just watch highlights and think Rashford performed well during his scoring periods.

We were basically playing a man down in every game where he starts because he does feck all in games 90% of the time.

 

[Drainy]

It's almost as if his own attitude and behavior brought it on himself. I couldn't give a toss if he is from the academy, it's this free pass that spawned a self entitlement over the last 10 years

And then on the flip side, he's literally broken his back pushing himself playing for the club injured at a time when he was needed and then has been racially abused by 'fans' when his form dropped

 

[devilish]

Rashford is on a long term contract, on 300k a week and he's showing very little as of why he should be paid so much. That's been going on for months now. His pace is gone, he doesn't score enough, he doesn't backtracks or work hard. Its bad enough for a club whose roaring into success but its even worse at a club where we're struggling with FFP and had been losing money for years. Any player who truly loved the club would have had the dignity to leave or he would have asked for a pay cut that would reflect his talent. We all know that ain't happen with the modern player. Thus if the old fashioned love from players towards fans/club is gone then why should we insist on the old fashioned love from fans towards the players?

I don't think anyone hate Rashford. He's a decent man after all. That doesn't automatically translate in love either. He's sticking to his purse while we as fans are sticking to the club.

 

[devilish]

And then on the flip side, he's literally broken his back pushing himself playing for the club injured at a time when he was needed and then has been racially abused by 'fans' when his form dropped

If he went against medical advice then he's stupid and he should sue those who pushed him into it. If not, well, then it was by mutual agreement and in a job were he was handsomely paid for. Players can suffer career ending injuries and when that happen they do end their careers because of them. Van Basten was ten times the player Rashford ever was and that's exactly what happened without the guilt of having the club carry him for years on huge salaries either.

Regarding the racial abuse there's no excuse to that whatsoever. However you can't rate all United supporters as racists because of some idiot

 

[Drainy]

If he went against medical advice then he's stupid and he should sue those who pushed him into it. If not, well, then it was by mutual agreement and in a job were he was handsomely paid for. Players can suffer career ending injuries and when that happen they do end their careers because of them. Van Basten was ten times the player Rashford ever was and that's exactly what happened without the guilt of having the club carry him for years on huge salaries either.

Regarding the racial abuse there's no excuse to that whatsoever. However you can't rate all United supporters as racists because of some idiot

Point is maybe the entitled ones are the keyboard warriors who demand his body, the right to abuse him and demand he smiles about it?

 

[clarkydaz]

Point is maybe the entitled ones are the keyboard warriors who demand his body, the right to abuse him and demand he smiles about it?

How was his back 2 years ago when had a contract to play for?

 

[Drainy]

How was his back 2 years ago when had a contract to play for?

Post surgery, recovered but with a couple of screws, I believe

 

[devilish]

Point is maybe the entitled ones are the keyboard warriors who demand his body, the right to abuse him and demand he smiles about it?

Entitled on what exactly? Shouldn't they expect that a 300k a week player lets football rather then PR do the talking and that his performance should match his salary?. This ain't personal. Casemiro, Antony, Maguire and Shaw suffered the same type of criticism and some of these guys actually bother to run on the pitch. In the past even Rooney got stick when it was evident that his legs were gone. We're talking of an actual legend here who won real trophies and sweated blood for the club.

If you ask me fans are more educated these days. They now realize that United is not an endless pit of money and that if player A is getting 300k a week then that leaves little space for a top talent in that position to come in (and rightly so). Also note that we're not talking of war veterans here who might have ruined their physical and/or mental state for their country and risk ending on the streets if things get ugly. I am pretty sure that if someone who had earning 300k a week for years retire he'll be way better off then the average guy.

 

[andersj]

Wonder if it is possible to get rid? Would some club be willing to take his salary if they got him for free? Would he leave?

Would probably be the same as buying a player for £40 mill and handing him £150k a week.

 

[klayton88]

And then on the flip side, he's literally broken his back pushing himself playing for the club injured at a time when he was needed and then has been racially abused by 'fans' when his form dropped

I don't know if this is sarcasm but that's a proper tinfoil hat theory if it isn't, that we've knowingly played a player with a debilitating back problem who's has subsequently fallen off a cliff in terms of output/effort over the last two seasons... What an absolutely mad take. Is this the level his defenders have stooped to now? The cafs resident qualified healthcare professionals diagnosing a broken back to defend his shit form/effort.

 

[devilish]

Wonder if it is possible to get rid? Would some club be willing to take his salary if they got him for free? Would he leave?

Would probably be the same as buying a player for £40 mill and handing him £150k a week.

I doubt it TBH especially if he is kept comfortably and protected at the club while he's cashing in. Why would anyone want to leave that?

 

[andersj]

I doubt it TBH especially if he is kept comfortably at Manchester while cashing in. Why would anyone want to leave that?

I’m sure it is comfortable. And while I do understand most people think he is «carefree», I would be surprised if he did not want to play football.

How much would he make at a club in the US? Like Miami? I think that would be attractive to him. I see that it is much less than at Man Utd, but the tax rates is better.

The club will probably have to cash him out.

 

[Champ]

I doubt it TBH especially if he is kept comfortably and protected at the club while he's cashing in. Why would anyone want to leave that?

Yeah, I'm sure he has it comfortable, what with his own fans clamouring for his head when he wears an over sized hoody...

 

[devilish]

I’m sure it is comfortable. And while I do understand most people think he is careless, I would be surprised if he did not want to play football.

How much would he make at a club in the US? Like Miami? I think that would be attractive to him.

I try to stick to facts in such circumstances ie Rashford is not producing the goods expected from a 300k a week and he doesn't backtrack/work hard to get the ball back. The rest (his love for football, for the club, injuries etc) is speculation. Regarding whether we can push him out of the club well there are ways. We've used those dark arts with Sancho for example and there's more of that if the club wanted. For example Gazza once said that he barely made any money in Italy as he was fined for every little thing up until he figured out that he's better off elsewhere. What's certain is that Rashford's departure would be costly both financially and in terms of PR. If the guy worked on his work rate as much as he has worked on his PR then he would have built the new stadium on his own by now. There's a chance that he won't leave irrespective of anything thrown to him by the club.

 

[devilish]

Yeah, I'm sure he has it comfortable, what with his own fans clamouring for his head when he wears an over sized hoody...

The ugly I am referring to is when the whole stadium turns against the player and/or when the club wants him out. We're talking of Sancho/Greenwood level of treatment

players had always been criticised if they wear something silly especially if they are underperforming . Do you remember the cream suits Liverpool players wore ? Not to forget Beckham's sarong (that was vintage Beckham btw)

 

[deef]

The criticism of Rashford is tiresome, but he doesn’t help himself with this stuff

 

[Ballache]

The criticism of Rashford is tiresome, but he doesn’t help himself with this stuff

It is.
I just think it's a matter of him needing a new challenge and it might be beneficial for both player and club to acknowledge that and move on.
No need to hate the guy.

 

[Pughnichi]

was about to write a long and thought provoking piece about his recent failings as a player.

But like Marcus…I don’t have the skill set to do so…and I can’t be arsed

 

[FrankWhite]

If he really is on £350-375k per week (which I’m not sure I believe) then it’s clearly nothing to do with showing ‘some balls’, it’s about someone being prepared to match those wages. He’d be owed £70 million quid in wages, in what is likely the last elite contract of his career. I can’t see who would match that.

This is true. However keeping him would be doubling down on a bad decision. Same with Sancho really.

 

[CG1010]

Another theory I have is that Sancho was a bad influence on him, on his professionalism and desire for the sacrifices needed to be made to achieve success here. Obviously I have no evidence to back it up.

 

[devilish]

Another theory I have is that Sancho was a bad influence on him, on his professionalism and desire for the sacrifices needed to be made to achieve success here. Obviously I have no evidence to back it up.

I believe it's a mix of things from lacking the character to succeed at a club like United right to injuries and bad management. Let's not forget that Rashy grew up in a squad devoid of leaders, in the same generation of Jesse the pillow humper and was first thrown in the deep end and then run to the ground by managers who placed their career ahead of everyone else

The club had learnt from their mistakes. They appointed Fletcher to supervise young talent coming into first team, they hired a professional manager, a proper Sporting director, technical director and CEO. Unfortunately we are still carrying the consequences of years of mismanagement

That doesn't justify the club having to pay 300k a week for a player who hasn't been delivering the goods for years. That's not hatred just common sense

 

[Drainy]

I don't know if this is sarcasm but that's a proper tinfoil hat theory if it isn't, that we've knowingly played a player with a debilitating back problem who's has subsequently fallen off a cliff in terms of output/effort over the last two seasons... What an absolutely mad take. Is this the level his defenders have stooped to now? The cafs resident qualified healthcare professionals diagnosing a broken back to defend his shit form/effort.

It was literally reported at the time that he had a back issue before the Wolves game where he got his stress fracture

 

[Kag]

I just don’t see a long term starting role for him in this team.

Hojlund is a better #9. He will either make that spot his own or we will buy somebody else who does.

Garnacho and Mount (and Bruno and Amad) are much better in the pockets. Amorim has basically said as much himself.

You’ve then got a player earning more money than the rest of the squad who is, at best, filling the role of a squad player.

Rashford has been linked with a move away for a good few seasons now, but this is the first time I think it’s a genuine possibility. The club would benefit by putting the money towards fulfilling these daft sustainability rules. Most of all, Rashford would benefit from moving away from what has essentially become a bit of a circus. Sad, but probably for the best.

 

[Posh Red]

It was literally reported at the time that he had a back issue before the Wolves game where he got his stress fracture

You can’t even say sensible things about players without being labelled a ‘defender’ now.

 

[Vidooq]

It is.
I just think it's a matter of him needing a new challenge and it might be beneficial for both player and club to acknowledge that and move on.
No need to hate the guy.

I highly doubt that once he changes clubs, he will start running again, and be this aggressive player that wants it. He has lost that thrill of a boy who plays for his club. He was electric the first few years, and ever since, he has been playing with entitlement on the pitch.

We might see a different Rashford for the first few games in his new club, however, old habits will creed in again. He won't change who he has become.

 

[tenpoless]

It’s actually getting boring just constantly shitting on the poor bloke but two things that happened last night really bring home how he doesn’t help himself.

Amad got a yellow card for pulling back a Bodo player who was about to create a really dangerous situation. That player was being chased by Rashford, fresh off the bench, and had ample opportunity to foul him first. And the fans would have loved him for it. But instead he just ambled after him for a few yards and then left Amad to do the dirty work.

Later in the game Garnacho tracked back all the way to the edge of our own six yard box and did a brilliant full length sliding block to cut out a dangerous cut back. Have you ever seen Rashford do anything similar?

I do think he is probably working a bit harder, defensively, this season but the bar is so low. Doing the sort of dirty work that Amad and Garnacho did last night would go a long way towards easing the constant criticism and it’s not difficult. Literally any footballer can do that sort of stuff. It’s so frustrating that he doesn’t just muck in a bit more.

Yeah its frustrating because he doesn't apply what he has. To see him sometimes just walking is a bit disheartening when he's probably one of the fastest players we have.

 

[Ballache]

I highly doubt that once he changes clubs, he will start running again, and be this aggressive player that wants it. He has lost that thrill of a boy who plays for his club. He was electric the first few years, and ever since, he has been playing with entitlement on the pitch.

We might see a different Rashford for the first few games in his new club, however, old habits will creed in again. He won't change who he has become.

Possibly, I said we should have sold him after his 30 goals season because I knew this was coming.
So you might be right however, he needs to leave if he's ever going to regain his form.

 

[Oldyella]

Another theory I have is that Sancho was a bad influence on him, on his professionalism and desire for the sacrifices needed to be made to achieve success here. Obviously I have no evidence to back it up.

Remember when Pogba and Lingard were being blamed for the same?

 

[clarkydaz]

I don't know if this is sarcasm but that's a proper tinfoil hat theory if it isn't, that we've knowingly played a player with a debilitating back problem who's has subsequently fallen off a cliff in terms of output/effort over the last two seasons... What an absolutely mad take. Is this the level his defenders have stooped to now? The cafs resident qualified healthcare professionals diagnosing a broken back to defend his shit form/effort.

How about he can train all week, do extra training on insta and start games for an elite club, but has managed to hoodwink said club and medical department about his true condition

 

[CG1010]

Remember when Pogba and Lingard were being blamed for the same?

From all official accounts, both were very professional. Its only on here that either of them were perceived otherwise. On the other hand, even Sancho’s mother won’t claim he was professional in his approach at United atleast.

 

[klayton88]

It was literally reported at the time that he had a back issue before the Wolves game where he got his stress fracture

So you lied when you said literally broke his back?

 

[Drainy]

So you lied when you said literally broke his back?

What the feck are you on about

 

[lsd]

Except for the dozen or so times his controversies resulted in a public disciplinary from whoever was the under-pressure manager at the time

I'll wait for these dozen huge controversies. I suppose one is not handing his gloves to an assistant

 

[sepulturite]

I see the RDL (Rashford Defence League) are out in full force the last couple of pages.

How some of ye can't see why most of are so disillusioned with him I don't know.