That is what I'm saying. But it is combined with his previous antics. If he actually performed, I'd probably not care.Well it sounds an awful lot like you care about his hairstyle.
I'm getting Abe Simpson vibes from your post. "Theo Walcott at Arsenal. Now that's a haircut you can set your watch to".
You said something that wasn't calling him a lazy, evil useless waste of space who kicks puppies.I didn’t say he’ll save us big time. Genuinely baffled here. He’ll be a player we throw on when we need a go - that is just a fact if he’s staying.
Most disappointing news this transfer window and that's saying a lot. I was hoping to never see him in a United shirt again and I suspect his presence will not be a positive influence inside the dressing room. Furthermore, he is a very shit striker and we have enough people in his best position. Retreading old ground seems to be the theme this summer.
It’s getting intense with that kind of shit on the caf. Some seriously whingy posters on hereYou said something that wasn't calling him a lazy, evil useless waste of space who kicks puppies.
Just a red flag to a bull for some.
Does it though? Like what are you talking about? You’re telling me you’ve never worked around lazy colleagues? Does it make you give up too?Same for me. This guys attitude stinks, he's lazy and his wages are way too high. That lazy depressing attitude he had in his last couple of seasons here is nothing but a bad influence on the rest of the squad. It spreads like a virus.
We have enough of pacey wide attacking players that plays their best football out left? Only name that comes to mind is Dorgu to be honest.we have enough people in his best position.
Well hopefully yeah, but we don't know this for sure. He was a bench player at best for Chelsea (obviously they have a much better midfield) but all we know of him at United so far is that he's looked good in preseason.Except that Santos will be a more important player than Ugarte was for us last year. So all things said, we have gained a player who previously didn't exist last year because it was obvious neither Amorim nor Carrick thought very highly of Ugarte's abilities.
Exactly, if sharing dressing room with Marcus would have them all give up mentally that is one fragile group. I sure as hell hope they are better people that that.Does it though? Like what are you talking about? You’re telling me you’ve never worked around lazy colleagues? Does it make you give up too?
There’s absolutely no chance Rashford being there will affect the spirit from last season - Cunha, Amad, Sesko, Mbeumo all being in the first team now and being such hard workers changes that.
People just making shit up. It’s not ideal he’s staying here on the wages he’s on, but feck me it doesn’t mean the team will capsize
It would sure as hell make me want to have a raise.Does it though? Like what are you talking about? You’re telling me you’ve never worked around lazy colleagues? Does it make you give up too?
There’s absolutely no chance Rashford being there will affect the spirit from last season - Cunha, Amad, Sesko, Mbeumo all being in the first team now and being such hard workers changes that.
People just making shit up. It’s not ideal he’s staying here on the wages he’s on, but feck me it doesn’t mean the team will capsize
Well that’s just daft logic. I hope our players are smart enough to realise that his contract was given by a hierarchy that no longer exists.It would sure as hell make me want to have a raise.
So important that not one club wanted to keep himHuh? He has still popped up with important goals over the last three years.
A very nuanced observation. Fair play. He didn’t score any important goals then.So important that not one club wanted to keep him
The problem is, it kind of has in the past with others.. Maybe not directly from Marcus, and maybe not so much laziness, but in the past we have had a serious attitude problem spread throughout the team in particular young and impressionable players. You could see more and more players just were more and more not bothered with the results, as long as they got paid every friday they were happy. The spirit throughout the whole club became toxic, and players with serious potential just became more deadwood.Does it though? Like what are you talking about? You’re telling me you’ve never worked around lazy colleagues? Does it make you give up too?
There’s absolutely no chance Rashford being there will affect the spirit from last season - Cunha, Amad, Sesko, Mbeumo all being in the first team now and being such hard workers changes that.
People just making shit up. It’s not ideal he’s staying here on the wages he’s on, but feck me it doesn’t mean the team will capsize
It’s a different dressing room that it was 18 months ago. I don’t think he’ll have the same level of influence.The problem is, it kind of has in the past with others.. Maybe not directly from Marcus, and maybe not so much laziness, but in the past we have had a serious attitude problem spread throughout the team in particular young and impressionable players. You could see more and more players just were more and more not bothered with the results, as long as they got paid every friday they were happy. The spirit throughout the whole club became toxic, and players with serious potential just became more deadwood.
Carrick is trying to build a mentally strong team that wants to be organised and fight and win, with Rashford's track record of attitude and influence in the club behind the scenes im not sure I'd want him back around the squad.. I just cant see him turning a new leaf and putting his head down and working his balls off.. He's had plenty of chances in the past to do so and done the opposite.
Im not saying the team or mentality would capsize, as i think alot of these newer players are in the same positive mind set, but i wouldnt risk it. It just takes one or two to fall in with him and think its alright to behave the same way.
I think it speaks volumes that Barca walked away, Villa had no interest, and there is not much other Interest either. I know wages are a big factor etc, but that wouldnt have been a massive problem for Barca and they still said no so they could spend elsewhere.
Well that’s just daft logic. I hope our players are smart enough to realise that his contract was given by a hierarchy that no longer exists.
It's also why people have said there's a racial element to the Rashford criticism.There’s a few starting to creep in. Totally unnecessary.
Judging by the fact Amad was happy he's coming back and he's friends with a lot of people in the squad, I'd say it'd be better to wait and see rather than let your biases dictate that.Hopefully they are as ok with a colleague earning much more than them albeit not putting the required work in as you seem to be. I wouldn't
I find it hard to disagree. As always, there’s plenty of legitimate criticism and concerns put forward, but it’s accompanied by loads of irrational and unnecessary shite, unfortunately. Some of it is actually fairly nasty to read.It's also why people have said there's a racial element to the Rashford criticism.
Near enough a goal contribution p/90 last season in a title winning effort for Barcelona doesn't scream downward spiral.Looking at the past 3 years and how he has spiraled down, it is
True but if he was so important they would have found 25m somewhere to buy himNear enough a goal contribution p/90 last season in a title winning effort for Barcelona doesn't scream downward spiral.
God forbid the coaches actually do some coaching and coach him?
That's right. Was he not valued at 90M+ or something when PSG was allegedly in for him, couple years back? And now Barca woudln't even pay measly 25M for him. And the whole "that's because his salary is high" is complete horseshit. If his salary was not high, the price for a decent attacker should be 40-50M+, even the one his age.True but if he was so important they would have found 25m somewhere to buy him
All negative with you guys innit? Energy vampires....I'm not sure if your comment is a reply to my post? If it is, I would suggest that coaching has its limits; it likely won't make Rashford more likely to chase back or pitch in defensively. I think that's just not in Marcus' game. I don't think it's something he could improve at this stage even if he wanted to; his whole game is based on being a off-the-shoulder, conserve-and-burst attacking player. He's be best going to a team which has that kind of role for him imo.
I didn't want Rashford back. I simply think the player he is now is not one we have much use for. I don't think he has it in him to change his game at this stage, and I think a new start would be best for him as well. That said: Any 'toxicity' at present is stemming solely from sections of the online fan base. It's already August. Time to sit back and let things take their course, and then approach the new season with curiosity for what comes.
Needless to say, a player having a particular hairstyle says nothing - ZERO - about their attitude or work ethic.
All negative with you guys innit? Energy vampires....
There are numerous ways Carrick can use him. Without needing him to run around the pitch like Bruno. How about we wait and see?
Judging by the fact Amad was happy he's coming back and he's friends with a lot of people in the squad, I'd say it'd be better to wait and see rather than let your biases dictate that.
His inclusion is a bit of a downer to me. I am also worried about how you can justify giving him minutes over the attackers that soldiered on throughout the Amorim era, and rallied together to qualify for the champions league under Carrick.
I also wonder what kind of message it sends that the club is reintegrating a player that downed tools and wanted away.
I'm not sure if your comment is a reply to my post? If it is, I would suggest that coaching has its limits; it likely won't make Rashford more likely to chase back or pitch in defensively. I think that's just not in Marcus' game. I don't think it's something he could improve at this stage even if he wanted to; his whole game is based on being a off-the-shoulder, conserve-and-burst attacking player. He's be best going to a team which has that kind of role for him imo.
I guess my post might fall into the 'energy vampire' category, but it is based on watching Rashford play a lot of games without any intensity off-the-ball. I still naively think we're going to win the league this season, so I'm not letting my scepticism around Rashford's work rate dampen my positivity!All negative with you guys innit? Energy vampires....
There are numerous ways Carrick can use him. Without needing him to run around the pitch like Bruno. How about we wait and see?
Perhaps after he’s helped us take the lead, we can then push for another goal and dominate the opposition, rather than cowering in defence expecting our forwards to be extra defenders? We should never ever be playing like Tuchel’s England did in the World Cup. If we have one of the world’s best counter-attacking forwards on the pitch, we should use them accordingly.He'll contribute with some goals off the bench, but I wish he would get his head up more often and look for a pass. I used to love the guy during his first few years here, but it has become increasingly clear to me how limited he is in many aspects of his game.
The difference between Rashford and Gordon in the World Cup was stark. Neither of them are world class, but in terms of their decision making on-the-ball and work rate off-the-ball, they were leagues apart. It underlined why Barca were willing to part with so much money to bring Gordon in over keeping Rashford.
Perhaps the fact that he hasn't had many suitors this summer will be a humbling experience and he might not be as prone to ambling around the pitch so often. I just don't have much faith in him being someone we can rely upon in most games. Let's say we sub on Rashford around the 60th minute in a game when we're drawing, we score in the 65th minute, can we rely on him to help the team see out the win? I'm doubtful.
Depends on the circumstances. When it's Ipswich at home, sure. But when it's a tough away game, we need all 10 outfield players working hard out of possession. Even in an away game vs a mid table opponent, like Everton last season, watching Cunha sprinting back in stoppage time to shield the ball out for a goal kick was exactly what we needed, and not something we're used to seeing from Rashford.Perhaps after he’s helped us take the lead, we can then push for another goal and dominate the opposition, rather than cowering in defence expecting our forwards to be extra defenders? We should never ever be playing like Tuchel’s England did in the World Cup. If we have one of the world’s best counter-attacking forwards on the pitch, we should use them accordingly.
This is precisely it. When the going got tough, he hid and didn't use that as an opportunity to fight. He sat the tough times out and is now back in the squad. Just don't don't need these types of players add his huge wage bill. Just remove him, move on.His inclusion is a bit of a downer to me. I am also worried about how you can justify giving him minutes over the attackers that soldiered on throughout the Amorim era, and rallied together to qualify for the champions league under Carrick.
I also wonder what kind of message it sends that the club is reintegrating a player that downed tools and wanted away.
