Rashford is a way better footballer than Anthony fecking Gordon.
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I know he looks a wally with his hairband. But he have 17 goals and 5 assists this season. 10 of those goals in CL. He's been linked with Liverpool and Arsenal.
Rashford isn't a better player than Gordon. Not by a long shot. Gordon is a £60mil+ rated winger.
We can't get Barcelona to pay £21mil for Rashford.
Gordon starts for England over Rashford every time.
6 goals and 2 assists in 26 PL games and I think i heard on talkshite this morning only 3 goals from open play.
6 of those against Qarabag and Union sg with 4 of them being pens..... He had 5 total pens in CL this season.
Obviously it works both ways and could go the other way, but then we're not really in that different a position. I get as fans we want all players to give 100% whatever the situation but post Amorim I think it's fair to say we're seeing a lot of players look really good again. There is a big mental side to the game which is hard to judge without being in the squad/around Carrington. This isn't to say Rashford is some generational talent we can't ignore, it's only if we can't sell him for the minimum we've set.
350k but we don't know what % is incentives based. I assume he's on big weekly wedge, no doubt, but INEOS are also pragmatic - they can't undo the past and if they look at the savings they have made so far and calculate that having Rashford as a squad player gives us an edge to get CL football again (assuming we stay in the top 5 this season) I doubt they will care that they have a couple of years left on his current deal. CL football will supercharge what we can spend this summer, having one player on an outlier contract isn't that crazy. Much likely depends on Carrick staying or not.
The real problem is his massive wages
You’re kidding yourself
I mean, not really, he's either being sold, loaned or staying. one of those things will happen.
The last one is pie in the sky
I don’t think Gordon has scored a goal from open play in the league in about a year?
His horrendous lack of effort goes back further than Amorim. He was atrocious under ETH in that regard, after getting his massively unmerited deal. And for the culture of the dressing room it is unthinkable to have the laziest player in the team being the highest earner.
The club was very foolish to sanction a loan to Barca. This was always going to happen.
They should have given Barca publicly an early deadline to make an offer or a loan offer w mandatory purchase, signalling to both Marcus and Barca that United are not interested in a piss take.
Do not want back under any circumstances. He'll fall back into his old half arsed ways and be hitting the news for the wrong reasons. Such a shame the old negotiation group handed out contracts that were way in excess of the players abilities.
Rashford is miles better than Gordon
And yet he's been preferred to Rashford in the England side.
Sure but that was also the role he was asked to play, we essentially offset him playing as a wide attacker with minimal defensive responsibility and had Wout/Antony doing the hard yards in that regard. He hit 30+ goals in all comps. The season after he was dreadful though agreed. I'm not defending the deal though, just pointing out if barca (whoever it is) tries to play silly buggers and won't hit the £30m figure, I think he'll come back.
There is no parallel universe where Rashford wouldn’t go to the World Cup unless he got injured. I’ve got no idea why you would even think that.
Because he's not been very good and his minutes are drying up?
He's literally only in contention because everyone else in his position is as bad.
It won’t be up to Carrick if he stay or goes, even if Carrick gets the job.
For all of Rashford's issues, I still fully blame the club, renewing his contract for that huge basic wage was a massive mistake, and I hope the club has started giving wages with lower base salaries and add in high performance related bonuses (goals, assists, wins, clean sheets, etc...) this way, even if the players perform exceptionally well, the high bonuses will be self funded because prize money and CL money will cover for it, last season, we ended in 15th spot yet some of our high earners got massive salaries that even top 4 players don't get, name me one player in the PL outside of top 4 last season that earned half the wages Casemiro was on? probably no one.
This is the financial trap where the club has a massive wage bill but no CL revenue to pay for it!!! This must change and the club should stop offering massive base wages even if a player has an exceptional season, make it performance related and if they have a down year or never reach the heights again, then we won't be stuck with a low level player on massive wages, aka , Rashford.
This is the financial trap where the club has a massive wage bill but no CL revenue to pay for it!!! This must change and the club should stop offering massive base wages even if a player has an exceptional season, make it performance related and if they have a down year or never reach the heights again, then we won't be stuck with a low level player on massive wages, aka , Rashford.
60m rated by who?!
If both players were available for the same transfer fee and wages, do you think more clubs would opt for Gordon than Rashford?
That very much depends on what you want from them. If you want someone who can also make you defensively solid and can pound the hard yards, it’s not Rashford. If you can afford to give Rashford a spot where he has no responsibility other than attacking then fair play.
The issue here is Rashfords salary, not the low cost transfer fee. Rashford is on £350k per week. It is said that Barcelona covered that fully in the years loan spell. But they aren’t prepared to pay a transfer fee. So we’re stuck in a quandary.
Casemiro off the books, Sancho off the books, Maguire has taken a pay cut. New players are signed on salary’s around 140-180k per week.
This will leave only Bruno above the 200k per week salary band (and rightly so).
Absolutely no way will United bring him back and wreck the salary band with an underperformer on 350k per week. That would wreck team morale.
Either we sell him or I suspect he will go on loan again as long as the other club pay 100% of his salary.
I wonder could he come to agreement with the club just for his contract to be nullified and for both parties to go their own ways? (No cost to either). Salary off the books and Rashford can go where he wants
Casemiro off the books, Sancho off the books, Maguire has taken a pay cut. New players are signed on salary’s around 140-180k per week.
This will leave only Bruno above the 200k per week salary band (and rightly so).
Absolutely no way will United bring him back and wreck the salary band with an underperformer on 350k per week. That would wreck team morale.
Either we sell him or I suspect he will go on loan again as long as the other club pay 100% of his salary.
I wonder could he come to agreement with the club just for his contract to be nullified and for both parties to go their own ways? (No cost to either). Salary off the books and Rashford can go where he wants
Exactly. So why would you suggest he won’t go? He’s easily one of the best options they have. It’s not even a debate.
He has been linked with moves to arsenal and Liverpool and the cost has been quoted at £60mil.
Where have you got the £350k a week from? Also isn't Mount on £250k p/w?
Barcelona and Villa before them took him on knowing his current and likely future salary demands. Both look like they will have passed. There’s something else here.
His wage wasn’t a surprised but both have/will pass after working with him and seeing him up close. The idea they both suddden got around to reading what he’s expecting to be paid is going to be probably the version of events the Rashford camp will be pushing rather than two clubs saw him up close and decided to pass
His wage wasn’t a surprised but both have/will pass after working with him and seeing him up close. The idea they both suddden got around to reading what he’s expecting to be paid is going to be probably the version of events the Rashford camp will be pushing rather than two clubs saw him up close and decided to pass
By all accounts he’s on anywhere between 325 and 375. But most reports I’ve read are 350
Mount is supposedly on 150 basic. But I’m not 100% sure on that one
I think it's the wage and fee that's the problem. Villa and Barca spent about 30 ish million last summers transfer window. Don't think Villa was ever on the cards for Rashford as he had his eyes on Barca but If they where offered the chance to loan him again I'm pretty sure they'd take it considering they took Sancho. Similarly if you offered Barca the option for another loan they'd more than likely take the offer.
Looks like both clubs are going to have to sell to buy.
Just because they knew he was on high wages doesnt mean they ever intended to pay them. There are players on high wages who go to a lower club and the selling club still pays some of the wages. I'm sure they'd be hoping for that to be the case here. Theres also what Rashford has done in the past. Last season Rashford at Villa was okay but he didnt play a large amount of games and his end product wasnt good. They were obviously going to be hoping he was going to have one of his best seasons. Same with Barcelona and even though his end product is better this season, its not like his best seasons. Realistically you probably wanted 11 league goals+ Rashford if you were going to take him on high wages and his end product was 0 in Feb and March. He has 2 goals in his last 4 matches including some appearances of only 26 and 22 mins, so he's in decent goalscoring form right now but hes probably not gonna get more than +3 goals in the remaining games. He'd have to have amazing goalscoring form in the remaining games to reach where they'd have been hoping he would have got to this season. 9-12 goals in all competitons is clearly better than last season but its not enough for his wages.
Seems that him downing tools has skewed, in the minds of his detractors, how good he is when he can be arsed.
He's not "easily one of the best options they have" though. There's a number of players of a similar "meh" level, all vying for the same spot, of which he is one.
England's attack will likely be:
Saka --- Kane --- other
And it seems likely that, of the 23 outfield players they can call up, around eight or nine will be "attackers", and at least two will be proper centre-forwards. The other five or six spots, will be a mix of wide-forwards, wingers, and "10s".
There's a decent chance there's going to be a somewhat surprising exclusion (or two) this World Cup, and I wouldn't completely rule out the chances that Rashford is on that list.
I would be slightly (but not overly) surprised if he isn't on the plane, but there really isn't much separating him from Gordon, Foden, Palmer, Eze, Bowen or Rogers.
I'd call him up. I'm just saying it's not set in stone, as he's clearly not been the first choice for that position.
Okay mate. I don’t even rate him that high, but it’s bizarre to me that anyone would start a post with the premise that he might not be selected. England have two natural left wingers right now in contention and he’s in the best form out of the pair, and just generally the better player.
England are literally going to be plugging a gap in that position. It's an obvious weak point on the pitch.
I don't even think it's true that he's in better form than Gordon. For one, Rashford's only started three of Barca's last 12 games (since his knee injury), and didn't even get off the bench in three of them. Gordon starts basically every game for Newcastle. As for output, Gordon has four goals (three from open play) and one assist in his last eight league appearances. Rashford has four goals (all from open play). Not really much between them at all.
You say you "don't even rate him that high" but seem hellbent on making out that Rashford is somehow leagues above his competition, when that simply isn't the case. He's also a player that has always produced short-patches of excellent form, and he's objectively not in one of those now. It'd be mental to think he'll suddenly turn it on for the World Cup.
I don't particularly rate Gordon, but the reality is that he has started more than Rashford in that position in recent England games, and where Rashford has no known suitors (with Barcelona briefing they won't be paying even £30 million for him), Gordon has been increasingly linked to the likes of Bayern Munich, Arsenal and Liverpool for a while now.
Okay. He will be in the World Cup squad.
I've said I think he will be. However, I would only be mildly surprised if he isn't.
I'm not sure why you think it's so controversial to suggest his place in the squad isn't a certainty.
Why would it?
Looks like England might be plugging a few gaps throughout the team when you go through who's inform and who's not. Saka is a shell of his former self right now, Jude's only just coming back and does Tuchel even like him? Thought we'd do good this summer but when you look throughout the team is gets a bit dicey up front.
Marcus is open to coming back.. oh look,payrise for champions league. Thank you very much.
Because literally nothing about the way Marcus Rashford has played or conducted himself since we gave him his big contract suggests that he's suddenly going to find form for England.
Even his short purple-patch at Barcelona was heavily weighted by assists, something he's never really been known for, and that's been over since mid-November.
Hoping Rashford will somehow find form from three years ago would, almost objectively, be mental.
I agree that England don't look great. Apart from Kane (and maybe Rice), basically all of the players you'd hope to be relying on (Saka, Bellingham, Palmer/Foden) have been fairly crap, but we still have obvious first choices in most of them (the Bellingham situation is a bit odd). I'd be surprised if we get further than the quarter finals.
I’ve a feeling this was a conversation that went on previously on here back and over for a while
I can’t remember the postersHe can be as open as he wants as long as the club tell him he’s never going to play for the club again.