Marcus Rashford - Barcelona Watch

[Waynne]

Really loving the bitterness in here everytime he delivers. Long may it continue

That said, I don’t think it’s so much “bitterness” as frustration. A lot of people are more annoyed than anything else at Marcus for showing more effort with Barcelona than he consistently has for United. It’s not about questioning him as a person, but about his application on the pitch.

And to be fair, I get his point in that recent interview about the constant turnover of managers, each with different philosophies. That chaos is on the higher ups, who have been messing around for nearly a decade without giving players a stable environment.

But even with those issues, one thing should never be in doubt. When you put on that United shirt, the desire to give everything for the badge has to be there, no matter what.

 

[Henandez14]

That said, I don’t think it’s so much “bitterness” as frustration. A lot of people are more annoyed than anything else at Marcus for showing more effort with Barcelona than he consistently has for United. It’s not about questioning him as a person, but about his application on the pitch.

And to be fair, I get his point in that recent interview about the constant turnover of managers, each with different philosophies. That chaos is on the higher ups, who have been messing around for nearly a decade without giving players a stable environment.

But even with those issues, one thing should never be in doubt. When you put on that United shirt, the desire to give everything for the badge has to be there, no matter what.

I've watched all their games this season and honestly, he isn't doing anything different. He's still running into blind alleys, making wrong decisions and losing the ball at every opportunity. A team like Barca can afford to carry him for the spectacular goal once in a while but we can't. It also helps that they have a game plan so he's not constantly asked to make lung busting runs back to defend because they keep the ball, and there's a plan for winning the ball back when they do lose it. So that covers the 'effort' part.

 

[Wumminator]

It's almost impressive to still manage a 6.4 with an assist.

Lost possession 22 times (Most in the team. Next up was Bardghji with 12)
1/6 crosses
2/7 dribbles
2/9 duels won
2/6 shots on target
0 interceptions
0 tackles
0 aerial duels won

Standard Rashford game.

Yeah - it’s a good point. If you use a stats website he might look bad - if you watch the game, he was good.

Cheers!

 

[RedStarUnited]

Yeah - it’s a good point. If you use a stats website he might look bad - if you watch the game, he was good.

Cheers!

Like someone said he is playing just like he was at United he is just in a much much better team.

 

[Wumminator]

Like someone said he is playing just like he was at United he is just in a much much better team.

So- he was playing well at United?

 

[Cnaiür urs Skiötha]

I always had a bit sympathy for him. The environment at United has not been easy for more than a decade. Switching work place is not that easy for everyone. Of course his behaviour was not great but a lot of know this from their own work place.
The biggest problem are his wages as he is not that kind of top player. For 150-175k most would value him at what he is. A decent winger with good and bad spells but not the main star of a big club.

 

[Nevilles.Wear.Prada]

Ahh Rashy giving an arse on the brink of securing a contract in a world cup year? Never happened before. I swear this forum has more Amorim and Rasford fans than ManUtd club fans. He can score a goal every minute there but that doesnt change the fact that he was walking around the pitch for years, doing transatlantic personal trips before games, partying at wrong times. Under performing Prima donnas like him is partly the reason many managers lost the dressing room. And you guys are using managers turn over rate to defend poor Rashy with meagre 300k pw. As if he was so unsure that he might lose the job at anytime? The moment he was expected to lead and perform he checked out and went to media. Please.. he can FO

 

[kouroux]

Ahh Rashy giving an arse on the brink of securing a contract in a world cup year? Never happened before. I swear this forum has more Amorim and Rasford fans than ManUtd club fans. He can score a goal every minute there but that doesnt change the fact that he was walking around the pitch for years, doing transatlantic personal trips before games, partying at wrong times. Under performing Prima donnas like him is partly the reason many managers lost the dressing room. And you guys are using managers turn over rate to defend poor Rashy with meagre 300k pw. As if he was so unsure that he might lose the job at anytime? The moment he was expected to lead and perform he checked out and went to media. Please.. he can FO

I haven't read many posts asking for his return. This is merely to follow his current season. Is there something wrong with that ?

 

[giorno]

So- he was playing well at United?

He's a good player, and like most good players, he tends to perform to the level of his team. If the team is good, he plays well, if the team is bad, he doesn't

 

[AjaxCunian]

Watched some highlights, which ofcourse don't tell the full picture but he looked good, sharp, and too quick and powerful for the La Liga defenders.

 

[stevoc]

Happy to see Rashford doing well in Spain, hopefully they sign him on a permanent. His time at United is sadly over.

I tried to look at Wikipedia to see who acutally is our top scorer this season, but no one is bothering to even update United's squad stats this season. That's how bad things have got, of all the United fans on the planet. There isn't one that can muster enough motivation to flll in the appearance/goals stats on Wiki. And I don't blame them having to watch the turgid shite we pump put every week with our 5 man defence and the attacking threat of Koala Bear.

Apparently Own Goals is still our top scorer, and it's virtually October. That tells you everything you need to know, can't wait until we get a new manager in November and then they need to write the rest of the season off to implement their own super, duper, revolutionary style of football.

 

[afrocentricity]

I want him to do well, but let’s not forget he gave up on united, not the other way around.

How can anyone forget when it's repeated nearly every page?

 

[RedStarUnited]

So- he was playing well at United?

He isnt playing that well in Barcelona either, its just a weaker league and he is in a much stronger team. Its nearly impossible to play as a forward in this Barcelona team and not be amongst the goals. And yet still he hasnt scored in the league.

I wish him the best, the better he plays the more likely he is to get sold.

 

[golden_blunder]

How many managers he has had isn't really the point. The reality is Utd has been a toxic shitshow of a club for years, an awful place for players to perform and develop. We keep blaming it on the players for creating this atmosphere, when often blaming the players has been an easy solution for diverting focus from the shameful lack of effective senior leadership throughout the structure of the club.

And part of that shitty leadership was letting players like Rashford fester for years, unmotivated and doing what they like. Had there been proper management he’d either be doing well or been sold years ago

 

[giorno]

He isnt playing that well in Barcelona either, its just a weaker league and he is in a much stronger team. Its nearly impossible to play as a forward in this Barcelona team and not be amongst the goals. And yet still he hasnt scored in the league.

He is playing well in Barcelona, the difference is Barcelona need him to play like he has so far, United needed him to play at Lamine Yamal's level. And paid him accordingly, which is really the biggest issue

 

[RedStarUnited]

He is playing well in Barcelona, the difference is Barcelona need him to play like he has so far, United needed him to play at Lamine Yamal's level. And paid him accordingly, which is really the biggest issue

Thank you, You said it better than I did. When I said “not that well” thats what I meant.

 

[giorno]

Thank you, You said it better than I did. When I said “not that well” thats what I meant.

It also helps that he was great and the match winner in the biggest match they played so far

 

[The Irish Connection]

Fee is low, wages however. But it’s nice that it seems he’s finally putting in some effort. Shame it didn’t work out here but we move on he moves on everyone should be happy.

True, wages are massive for what he was offering.
He's stat padding a little on the assists by taking the corners but whatever helps to get him moved on.

 

[Wumminator]

He isnt playing that well in Barcelona either, its just a weaker league and he is in a much stronger team. Its nearly impossible to play as a forward in this Barcelona team and not be amongst the goals. And yet still he hasnt scored in the league.

I wish him the best, the better he plays the more likely he is to get sold.

The issue is that we have fans questioning how he has done so far when he now averaging around a goal or assist every ninety minutes.

How anyone can say that isn’t playing well is insane to me. The expectations for players now are not serious.

 

[ThierryHenry14]

He is playing well in Barcelona, the difference is Barcelona need him to play like he has so far, United needed him to play at Lamine Yamal's level. And paid him accordingly, which is really the biggest issue

His number one priority now is to deliver performance good enough to convince Barcelona to buy him at the end of the season with Barcelona's well known financial constraint. I believe Rashford will be flexible on his salary demand to make the move happen. Rashford's agent may negotiate a deal with Untied for the salary difference on his remaining contract with Untied as well. So far it is a win win situation for all parties involved.

True, wages are massive for what he was offering.
He's stat padding a little on the assists by taking the corners but whatever helps to get him moved on.

I remember Rashford is awarded a rumored 300k/week contract after a 30G/A season. That doesn't seems out of the line as Havertz is on £280,000/week. The reason why he couldn't replicate his output consistently is another matter that has been discussed many times in this forum.

 

[NotThatSoph]

One of the funniest things about this thread is that we're almost 50/50 on "feck Rashford for making more of an effort for Barcelona than for United" vs "he's not that good, he's the same as he was for United".

 

[manutddjw]

One of the funniest things about this thread is that we're almost 50/50 on "feck Rashford for making more of an effort for Barcelona than for United" vs "he's not that good, he's the same as he was for United".

Perhaps someone can let me know because I have only seen the game against Newcastle so far with Barcelona, I did watch him at Villa and he most definitely was the same Rashford we had at United in terms of walking around and making half attempts to get back.

 

[giorno]

I remember Rashford is awarded a rumored 300k/week contract after a 30G/A season. That doesn't seems out of the line as Havertz is on £280,000/week. The reason why he couldn't replicate his output consistently is another matter that has been discussed many times in this forum.

....arsenal are paying WHAT to Havertz?!?!?!?!

 

[ThierryHenry14]

....arsenal are paying WHAT to Havertz?!?!?!?!

Take this a grain of salt

https://www.capology.com/club/arsenal/salaries/
https://www.teamtalk.com/arsenal/arsenal-wages-top-10-highest-paid-players-emirates-two-new-deals

Gabriel Jesus's weekly salary is £265,000/week too. I don't remember if he ever have a 15G/A season for Arsenal, and when did he score for Arsenal last time. To me Rashford's salary issue is blown out of proportion.

 

[Rolaholic]

Loves himself a goal involvement against PSG

 

[Gavinb33]

That pass 1st time was top draw

 

[BrilliantOrange]

Very good assist to be honest... Shows sharpness, awareness and concentration..

 

[UnitedRepublic]

So he can pass it without taking extra touches after all these years.

 

[klayton88]

Suddenly learned how to pass and not put his head down and dribble it out for a goal kick. Funny that.

 

[bosnian_red]

Happy for him. Undoubtedly played his part in how it turned out here but he's a man reborn at Barca. 2 goals and 4 assists in his last 6 games now. Looks confident again.

I do wonder if he'll have a future here. It'd probably go back to depressy Rashford as we're a shit show still, but we'll most definitely be back to a 433/4231 in which case there's a big Rashford shaped hole on our left wing. Though at this rate, Barca will just try to buy him for the squad.

Part of it unfortunately is also just a self fulfilling thing at this point. Barca are a top club, huge competition for places, surrounded by world class players, well oiled unit, attacking football, and he's trying his best to fit in and show his worth. At United, we're a laughing stock now, questionable players, horrible system and no cohesiveness. Anything that goes right has to come from the individual player to turn it around rather than there being a clear plan that everyone works towards and makes it easier to play. Too much pressure on Rashford/anyone at United at the moment that he's probably just go back in his shell

 

[Swiss_Red89]

Happy for him. Undoubtedly played his part in how it turned out here but he's a man reborn at Barca. 2 goals and 4 assists in his last 6 games now. Looks confident again.

I do wonder if he'll have a future here. It'd probably go back to depressy Rashford as we're a shit show still, but we'll most definitely be back to a 433/4231 in which case there's a big Rashford shaped hole on our left wing. Though at this rate, Barca will just try to buy him for the squad.

He wouldn't want to come back I'm sure. And would be absolutely right about it.

 

[Teja]

He is playing well in Barcelona, the difference is Barcelona need him to play like he has so far, United needed him to play at Lamine Yamal's level. And paid him accordingly, which is really the biggest issue

I think we're saying the same thing but it's not a case of level - he can absolutely be our Yamal and carry us like he did under Ole / Bruno hero ball days. The problem is when you expect him to play a certain way -- be the primary ball carrier who dribbles and takes on a defenders in tight spaces and creates chances via passing. If you let him do his thing and just run in behind and be that vertical outlet, he can be excellent.

My take is that we've misprofiled players and platformed them poorly for far too long and the powers that be have no fecking clue how to build a side of complementary players. We've briefly stumbled onto it under Ole when we finished 2nd but fecked it up again with strange expectations (we have to press high!) and even strange-er signings (Ronaldo, Sancho and co).

First why do we have to press high? And second why would you buy a Ronaldo or Maguire if we want to press high?

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[Ranie]

I do wonder if he'll have a future here.

I think Barca will hang on to him if he keeps performing like this.

 

[bosnian_red]

He wouldn't want to come back I'm sure. And would be absolutely right about it.

I think there's a world where he does get reintegrated and works, but yeah most situations would be something that doesn't work or he just wouldn't want to. Would need a manager to take over and get us playing fun attacking football this season and actively push Rashford to rejoin, make him feel loved and all that.

 

[Wumminator]

He got an assist against Getafe really as well.

Thought he would have a few more goals by now but his performances are in line with what you would expect.

 

[bosnian_red]

I think we're saying the same thing but it's not a case of level - he can absolutely be our Yamal and carry us like he did under Ole / Bruno hero ball days. The problem is when you expect him to play a certain way -- be the primary ball carrier who dribbles and takes on a defenders in tight spaces and creates chances via passing. If you let him do his thing and just run in behind and be that vertical outlet, he can be excellent.

My take is that we've misprofiled players and platformed them poorly for far too long and the powers that be have no fecking clue how to build a side of complementary players. We've briefly stumbled onto it under Ole when we finished 2nd but fecked it up again with strange expectations (we have to press high!) and even strange-er signings (Ronaldo, Sancho and co).

First why do we have to press high? And second why would you buy a Ronaldo or Maguire if we want to press high?

100% this. All good to want to press high and dominate games with possession. You need a certain type of player to make that work, and there's no use attempting to do that before you have those players. Ten Hag played a mid block and counter tactic in his first season and went great, then he ripped it up. Ole did it for 2.5 years before he felt like he had to change it.

Look at who you have and how to get the best out of who you have. That's all coaching ever is.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

I think there's a world where he does get reintegrated and works, but yeah most situations would be something that doesn't work or he just wouldn't want to. Would need a manager to take over and get us playing fun attacking football this season and actively push Rashford to rejoin, make him feel loved and all that.

I dont think we can deal with his further inflated ego after this season. One would think that he would work hard for us just like he is doing for Barca rn but thats wishful thinking.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

I think there's a world where he does get reintegrated and works, but yeah most situations would be something that doesn't work or he just wouldn't want to. Would need a manager to take over and get us playing fun attacking football this season and actively push Rashford to rejoin, make him feel loved and all that.

Would love to see that. Him winning Old Trafford over again due to showing effort as well.

But its not realistic. Barca will want to buy him anyway if he keeps this up. Sir Jim will be happy with Amorim sitting on 10. and give him another season.
How everyone applauded the decision of Amorim to exclude him at the beginning of the year only for United being on the very worst they have ever been since is hilarious.

 

[2 man midfield]

A bit of confidence and momentum can do wonders