Marcus Rashford - Barcelona Watch

[Pogue Mahone]

It wasn’t some wildly unfair agenda no, they needed to get some big earners off the payroll that they didn’t feel were worthy of it and it appeared clear at the time (and now), that Amorim was informed of this immediately.

I’m guessing that’s why he’s gotten so much time, because he had to follow that remit in order to get a chance to build something this past Summer.

Yeah that last bit does make sense alright. Agreed.

 

[Acheron]

Jesus... what's silly? It's a FACT. He is scoring AND assisting more than any of our players. Therefore, making Amorim and United look stupid. He is a lot better than several United players right now. Also a fact. I don't know if it's a CAF sickness, instead of saying why I'm wrong, like a normal person, there seems to be a cult of doing some smileys or saying something is silly.

Nah, the fact he's doing ok for Barcelona isn't making United look stupid. After all his still a Manchester United player on huge wages so he's in a position he really has to perform really well this season in order to attract interest for a permanent move.

What was silly was putting him on those huge wages to begin with and all the overhype around him just because he happened to come from United's academy.

Think Amor I'm has been doing the right thing with trying to change the culture and replacing players who were not giving their all, he might still fail as a coach but I think that's the correct approach.

 

[Ali Dia]

I wonder why he stopped giving his all. It happened during Ole he started moping around the pitch like he was doing us a favour

 

[Bright_Eyes]

Jesus... what's silly? It's a FACT. He is scoring AND assisting more than any of our players. Therefore, making Amorim and United look stupid. He is a lot better than several United players right now. Also a fact. I don't know if it's a CAF sickness, instead of saying why I'm wrong, like a normal person, there seems to be a cult of doing some smileys or saying something is silly.

Him playing well for Barca doesn't mean he'd be playing well for us if he stayed. It's a different club, different league, different system. All the evidence from when he played in our team points towards him leaving being a good idea for us. He isn't making anyone look stupid by playing well somewhere else.

 

[TsuWave]

keys to the franchise:

 

[Rolaholic]

For being a loanee, they sure have been pushing him as one of the faces of their team a lot

 

[DOTA]

He was the poster boy of one of the world's best supported teams, they're gonna take advantage of that on social media.

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[rimaldo]

he was lucky to have been present at a time he bothered running. halley’s comet pops by more frequently.

 

[Rolaholic]

he was lucky to have been present at a time he bothered running. halley’s comet pops by more frequently.

Always interesting just how much player perception contrasts between actual professionals who see things first hand and fans who see everything at a distance

 

[rimaldo]

Always interesting just how much player perception contrasts between actual professionals who see things first hand and fans who see everything at a distance

There’s a reason he is paid 350k a week. He’s an immensely talented footballer. So is Sancho. So was Morrison. Football isn’t judged with how amazing you with the ball. There’s a reason freestylers don’t tend to make great footballers. There’s a bit more to it than that. No matter what Rashford does from here, at the end of career we will all look back and know he was capable of so much more.

 

[Pickle85]

Always interesting just how much player perception contrasts between actual professionals who see things first hand and fans who see everything at a distance

Also between teammates who have to get along with each other and fans, some of whom could arguably be more objective.

 

[AjaxCunian]

Hugely rated by teammates, championship level according to the caf.

 

[FrankDrebin]

When he can't be arsed, he's championship level.

 

[Ish]

Hugely rated by teammates, championship level according to the caf.

I mean, “a few” on the Caf (who loves hyperbole), sure.

 

[Posh Red]

Have heard loads of England players talk about how he’s the most gifted player in the camp before. It’s hilarious how some fans like to describe him as ‘limited’ or ‘poor technically’.

 

[Red Devil 26]

Have heard loads of England players talk about how he’s the most gifted player in the camp before. It’s hilarious how some fans like to describe him as ‘limited’ or ‘poor technically’.

Numerous times at United his touch and dribbling in tight spaces let him down. He struggled to consistently pose a threat to opppsition defenders when teams sat deep and didn't afford him the space to run in behind. He's a clean ball striker but also was prone to missing easy chance in front of goal. He's clearly not awful technically, but, IMO, not top class in that respect either. Some of the discourse around here would suggest he would be 'world-class' in the right team/ if he sorted the mental side of his game, which I respectfully disagree with.

 

[bgoodall]

Not so hard to see he downed tools for us and has found his motivation again at Barca. Good for him and hope we get a good fee for his recent efforts. Will he continue to press on after this season in the same fashion? I highly doubt it but who knows. He’s our patchiest player ever in my mind.

 

[Frank White]

Not so hard to see he downed tools for us and has found his motivation again at Barca. Good for him and hope we get a good fee for his recent efforts. Will he continue to press on after this season in the same fashion? I highly doubt it but who knows. He’s our patchiest player ever in my mind.

Post SAF what United player would you say wasn't? You could argue Bruno but I'm sure you'd get people saying he's inconsistent too. Not saying you're wrong by the way but got me thinking as a team there's not one player you could say has been consistent other than maybe Bruno.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

 

[El Zoido]

It’s the same old story with him, brilliant goal here and there, doesn’t offer enough the rest of the time.

 

[2 man midfield]

Of course not

 

[SuperiorXI]

If he really wants to stay he'll be able to, just needs to drop the wage demands significantly

 

[Globule]

Breaking news. Hot off the press. This just in.
A player on loan might go back to his parent club at the end of the loan but also might stay. Our sources say that, at this time, it is 90% likely that there's a 60% chance of him returning.

 

[Hammondo]

Breaking news. Hot off the press. This just in.
A player on loan might go back to his parent club at the end of the loan but also might stay. Our sources say that, at this time, it is 90% likely that there's a 60% chance of him returning.

Yes but there is specifically an open to buy for a predetermined amount in the contract, so clearly they don't rate him as he's very cheap.

 

[Globule]

Yes but there is specifically an open to buy for a predetermined amount in the contract, so clearly they don't rate him as he's very cheap.

That's not my point. It was more how vague and open ended the story is and the cheek to say "just in" as if they've just uncovered some huge scoop.

 

[Hammondo]

That's not my point. It was more how vague and open ended the story is and the cheek to say "just in" as if they've just uncovered some huge scoop.

Ah I see, yea I wouldn't put money on it, I do not trust rumors unless there are a lot of them backing it up.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Might actually be good for us, given his form, surely another team will come in and offer more than the 35m (?) that reportedly Barca can pay to sign him permanently.

Barca would be silly to not pay that, but maybe they just can’t afford it.

 

[Varun1]

If he really wants to stay he'll be able to, just needs to drop the wage demands significantly

I think it boils down to this & Barca have started leaking info to force him to lower his wage demands or they won't make it permanent.

 

[iHicksy]

Have heard loads of England players talk about how he’s the most gifted player in the camp before. It’s hilarious how some fans like to describe him as ‘limited’ or ‘poor technically’.

Loads? I asked Chat GPT to scour the internet for quotes and the only England international that comes up is...Maguire talking on a united podcast.

Always interesting just how much player perception contrasts between actual professionals who see things first hand and fans who see everything at a distance

I get the point, but you could also argue that fans who watch him twice a week, every week for 10 years in real match conditions probably have a better grasp of his performances than a teammate who sees him in a relaxed training environment a few times a year.

For what it’s worth, I’m not in either camp. The Rashford fans on here can be extreme and refuse to acknowledge what’s in front of them, while the constant critics are just as tiring because he clearly has a lot of talent. The reality, though and the eye test backs this up - is that for United, he wasn’t pulling his weight for a long time and often looked like he didn’t care.

I’d love to think that the Barcelona game has reignited something in him and shown him the level he needs to hit for us, but honestly, I’m not convinced that’s going to happen.

 

[Posh Red]

Loads? I asked Chat GPT to scour the internet for quotes and the only England international that comes up is...Maguire talking on a united podcast.


I get the point, but you could also argue that fans who watch him twice a week, every week for 10 years in real match conditions probably have a better grasp of his performances than a teammate who sees him in a relaxed training environment a few times a year.

For what it’s worth, I’m not in either camp. The Rashford fans on here can be extreme and refuse to acknowledge what’s in front of them, while the constant critics are just as tiring because he clearly has a lot of talent. The reality, though and the eye test backs this up - is that for United, he wasn’t pulling his weight for a long time and often looked like he didn’t care.

I’d love to think that the Barcelona game has reignited something in him and shown him the level he needs to hit for us, but honestly, I’m not convinced that’s going to happen.

Yes, loads. There was a video released by England years ago of all of the players being asked and his name came up the most often.

 

[Crimson King]

Might actually be good for us, given his form, surely another team will come in and offer more than the 35m (?) that reportedly Barca can pay to sign him permanently.

Barca would be silly to not pay that, but maybe they just can’t afford it.

I think the big risk with loaning him to Barca was always that they'd need to find another 'lever' to afford him. It was the only move he wanted though, and he's proven he's good enough, but whether they'll pay to keep him is another story

 

[Mb194dc]

Barcelona still got massive financial issues and they can't afford him, even if they did want him to stay.

 

[Maagge]

Yes but there is specifically an open to buy for a predetermined amount in the contract, so clearly they don't rate him as he's very cheap.

It's his wage that's expensive, not the transfer fee.

 

[Ghostrider318]

Same old scummy barca. Im sure they are making him feel like hes the face of the team while at the same time pushing rumors about not keeping him on after the season so that he can negotiate a smaller fee.

I hope they get bent

 

[golden_blunder]

I think it boils down to this & Barca have started leaking info to force him to lower his wage demands or they won't make it permanent.

This. They ain’t paying him anywhere near €350k a week

 

[The Irish Connection]

I think the big risk with loaning him to Barca was always that they'd need to find another 'lever' to afford him. It was the only move he wanted though, and he's proven he's good enough, but whether they'll pay to keep him is another story

Yeah, and even if another side came in and offered 50m , for example, he might turn his nose up at them.
He wasn’t great for villa so between the league being easier in Spain and his extra motivation there, Barca might be the only option.

 

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

Hopefully the rumours about them not activating the clause aren't true. Their fans seem mixed, at best, about keeping him. Quotes from the last month from an English speaking + Spanish speaking Barcelona forum:

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Shit first touch. That basically stops him coming a great player. He needs to fix this badly. Also dribbling and decision making in small space.

Most importantly doesnt make those half-space runs that are typical of great barca attacking players.. u cannot be a barca forward and ask for the ball at your feet all the time doesnt make sense

He is a one lazy player off the ball.

he looks uninterested to press really.. goes just to casually block spaces (common with wingers but not in flick system). same with yamal. it's like we have messi and suarez in their late 30ies without even 30% of the quality ro compensate.
and this is a player in his prime and a teenager

Hansi need to put some fire in his ass, guy is in his prime years, there sre no excuses why he can be free from pressing

Agree. The main issue is his off-the-ball activity. But at 28, I fear it’s too late to significantly improve that aspect. He’s a good substitute, but definitely not a starter and not worth his salary. We could find a better alternative with less impact on the overall wage bill.

Well, we need depth upfront but I would stay away from him.

Would be a massive mistake buying a player who clearly has big problems with motivation. He'll be ok this season (if we can accept inconsistency) because he wants to prove himself and possible even get into the WC squad (very unlikely though) but if we sign him permanently on a big fat contract he'll return to his old self.

Hard pass. He has ability to score a great goal out of nothing, but if you look at his entire game, there's many moments where he should do more, press more, close down some spaces and he just doesn't do it. Either he is tactically undisciplined and doesn't really understand that forwards have an extensive list of duties to cover off the ball also, or just purely lazy.

He's terrible off the ball. Even when he tries to press, he has no clue about what to do. Just sucks at winning the ball or doing defensive work in general. Warned people about this aspect of his game before he joined.
United coddled him for ages and turned him into a lazy guy with low work rate.

He's been good and helpful so far but honestly, at least from what we've seen so far, it would make no sense to pay 40M for him. There are probably better options in the market if we want to reinforce LW, for that money and on those wages

He is not bad but for his wages and the agreed upon fee .. I"m almost sure barca wont activate .. at best perhaps barca will low ball manunited into accepting a free transfer to free them of the player.

It's not a bad loan so far, very important for squad depth. And I reckon in big CL matches he might make difference against tired legs. He was balling against PSG last season in QF

You cannot have a player who is a statue out of possession unless the name is Messi or Ronaldinho and Rashford is far from this. He 'produces' but at his own benefit and at the cost of the team in my opinion. I will take a player who makes the team better and not his own statistics.

Rashford has two very good games this season. Two games where it's complete. That's it. We can't and won't fill the wage bill for that.

he takes excellent corners filled with threat, the same with crosses from the left side, but there are too many weaknesses to go through so it's a negative overall

His pressing is performative. He has no intent to press hard and help the team.

His inability or unwillingness to press makes it an easy "no". He is a 6'2 forward who can't win an aerial duel which is hard to understand. Especially from the left channel where he usually duels against 5'7-5'9 defenders.

Reads like every Rashford performance thread on here.

 

[iHicksy]

Yes, loads. There was a video released by England years ago of all of the players being asked and his name came up the most often.

Do you have any proof of this? Because an extensive google search finds no such video, or transcript of video. Or any mention of this on the entire internet. Which considering the hyperbole that's created online whenever a player praises another, i find a little surprising.

 

[Posh Red]

Do you have any proof of this? Because an extensive google search finds no such video, or transcript of video. Or any mention of this on the entire internet. Which considering the hyperbole that's created online whenever a player praises another, i find a little surprising.

No, but I saw it years ago, maybe as part of a prematch. If you don’t believe I saw it that’s fine.