You found the people that were defending Amorim yet?
Marcus Rashford - Barcelona Watch
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You found the people that were defending Amorim yet?
You are the one who is not coming across well from the 2 of you.
Exactly. He's done this on 2 occasions at United.
He wants that last big contract to be in sunny Spain.
I can't wait to hear Barca fans opinion on him next season if he signs a permanent deal in the summer.
I don’t watch him at Barcelona so can’t really comment on his performances there. So I don’t. You just have an agenda really and for some reason want to debate the performances of a player you admit you aren’t actually watching.
His stats are ok. Scoring less than he would here usually and assisting more. For the team, the end result is the same really.
I don’t think they’ll sign him unless he takes a drastic wage reduction. I don’t think they’ll sign ever had any intention to either.
How do you know that, he plays with some incredible attacking talent at Barcelona and they have so much possession in 90% of the games they play it must feel like a stroll in the park at times.
I think he goes there and just continues to be half decent like this season. I don't see Barcelona offering him anything about 150k though, that's where the deal may his a stumbling block.
I have just discovered that at least two of his assists are for winning penalites.
Since when has that been a thing?
Since when has that been a thing?
Every player plays for their contract. Thats why they are rewarded with a contract that reflects their performances. Rashford playing well to try and earn a contract at Barcelona is exactly what United and Barcelona would have wanted when they struck the deal in the first place.
A long time but it's not universal some add them others don't.
Good honest players work hard and get rewarded with big contracts. Afterwards they continue to work hard.
A*shole players like Rashford and Sancho down tools once they get the big contract.
I don't watch him in Spain either but have as much right to wade into this thread as you do, having also not watched him. My point is that focusing on "G+A" is a (deliberately?) misleading way to analyse a player's contribution. Goas and assists aren't interchangeable, they never have been. The ability to put the ball in the net has always been the most highly valued skill in football and will have been the main reason for Rashford's enormous salary. I think it's reasonable to point out - in a thread all about his value to United/Barcelona - that the insistence by some in this thread to only discuss "goal contributions" is disingenuous. And I agree that Barca will most likely be as unconvinced by those stats as I am, when it comes to offering him the salary he is on at United and/or paying a decent fee for him.
I feel like it's almost certainly going to become a point made for "renegotiation" in the summer.
Lewandowski seems all but gone in the summer, so they're going to need a goalscorer. Rashford isn't it, and we know they're likely to have a limited budget so £25 million on Rashford could be seen as unnecessary spending.
Kicking the can down the road with another "loan with option to buy" deal seems the most likely outcome, to me.
Something like this probably, yeah. I don’t dislike the guy, but I don’t want him back. Hope he does well elsewhere though. Would be good for him.
I have 7 posts in this thread (8 now) most to you. I haven’t attempted to judge how he’s doing at all. You are the third highest poster in the thread. You’re the definition of an agenda poster on this subject.
You are happy to conflate goals and assists when it suits your argument.
Pogue has been criticising me for mentioning Rashford too much while talking about Rashford more than me for a while now.
He stank the place out in 21/22 as well.
3 of his last 4 seasons here he was a half arsed disaster really.
It’s a lot of energy for a player he purports to not care about.
Sure. But there is zero chance Barcelona will offer him a permanent contract on his current terms (with United). Most sources seem to agree that Rashford's basic salary is somewhere between 230k and 300k p/w (that would be pounds).
If the man himself is willing to sign a permanent contract for much less - hey, grand.
But that (him being willing to take a drastic pay-cut) seems to be the premise here. For two reasons, one could add: 1) Barca aren't loaded, they have financial issues and 2) He obviously isn't the sort of player they would break their structure for (he's a squad player - for them).
I guess our record goalscorer did too then
He could well be blowing up in La Liga, I've no idea. He's probably the number of reason I'm sceptical about stats after years where he was absolutely dreadful for long periods at the same time Twitter was absolutely adamant he was a GOAT-level player because '9 GA in 24' or something.
Yeah I dont think they'll offer him his united terms, but I think if hes going to be willing to take a pay cut for anyone it'll be to sort out a permanent move to Barcelona. They gave him a chance when the other big clubs werent looking at him. He seemed to be holding out for them. I expect him to take a paycut if hes offered the chance to stay. Ter Stegen is on £260k and will be on the way out, so going down to that from £325k would be a sensible solution. He'd be on the same as Kounde and less than Yamal, Raphinha and Lewandowski
Barcelona may be low on funds but their wages are not second rate. Lewandowski is on £346k which is more than Rashford. De Jong is just 4k less than Rashford. While they are unlikely to add to him to the other 2 they could move a 37 year old striker on, or sell De Jong. But most likely they wont even need to do that because selling Ter Stegen who is away on loan now will free up most of Rashford's wage.
Dry your eyes.
sell him....take the money and use it wisely plus get his massive wages off the bill
no one wants to see him walk around the old trafford pitch which is what led to his leaving
no one wants to see him walk around the old trafford pitch which is what led to his leaving
I’m the most prolific poster in most threads, thanks to my chronic addiction to this place. Stands to reason I’m going to also spam a thread about the most highly paid player on the books of Manchester United, no? I honestly have no idea what you mean by “agenda poster” in this context.
Statistically he’s doing well, seems well liked and the 2/3 times I’ve watched him there he’s done between okay and really well.
I’d give him a chance here (on a reduced wage) but I can completely understand why many wouldn’t. I wouldn’t be in a rush to downplay his time in Spain as that’s what we’re hoping will end up sealing a permanent deal for him!
If Barcelona want to offer us less than the agreed fee I wouldn’t take it, we need to be strong in negotiations.
I’d give him a chance here (on a reduced wage) but I can completely understand why many wouldn’t. I wouldn’t be in a rush to downplay his time in Spain as that’s what we’re hoping will end up sealing a permanent deal for him!
If Barcelona want to offer us less than the agreed fee I wouldn’t take it, we need to be strong in negotiations.
Can you talk us through the first of these please? I’m fascinated to hear what you think Rashford did wrong after signing his £200k contract in 2019.
Not sure why Rashford keeps getting put in the same category as Sancho. Sancho never had any tools since he joined.
Barca can buy him for what 40m ? I have full confidence that they will not honor it. Rashford will want to stay on high wages so we are likely to get shafted again but having to take a much smaller fee
Rashford was unprofessional and lazy by the end but yeah it's still unfair to lump him in with Sancho. Rashford gave us a lot of great moments over the years, Sancho has given us nothing ever.
We have another highly paid winger out on loan. You’ve posted 5 times in his thread. It should be fairly clear what I mean by agenda poster. Like I’ve said, you’re happy to combine goals and assists for other players.
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TBF I struggled to watch as a fan so I can't really blame him.
I wouldn't be surprised if Carrick, if he gets the job, brings him back (or maybe we just fail to sell him) and we see a top class version of him back. I doubt that happens, but it wouldn't surprise me.
Sounds like something an agenda poster would say
Sancho? His thread has 20 pages. This thread has 80. Are you putting the difference down to me and my agenda? Or can you think of any other reasons?
This is not how a respectable poster should behaveD
I think there’s a lot of resentment towards Rashford and it drives this thread. He also plays more and better than Sancho. That doesn’t really do much to explain why you’re in here constantly downplaying everything Rashford does. A player you haven’t been watching.
With Rashford there’s a relevant discussion as to his future at the club based on his performances at Barca, and whether to sell him at any price or to hold out for a bigger fee, because once he returns he will still be on a fat contract with us.
When it comes to Sancho he’s shite, a gobshite and out of contract come the summer. Not much to discuss, is there?
I really don't think they need to.
When he joined them on loan it was reported he had agreed a wage reduction to make it happen as they could not afford his salary and we were not inclined to make up the difference for him. I believe that he or his agent at least are smart enough to recognize that the benefit to his brand of playing for one of the truly giant clubs in World football is worth taking the drop to his weekly salary. If he insists on a big salary for next season he is either going to have to go into semi retirement in Saudi or face the prospect of ending up like Sterling at Chelsea. I think he will be smart enough to take a team friendly deal to get a permanent move if Barca are inclined to pay what will probably be a fairly nominal fee to get him as it will allow him to keep his sponsors happy and make the big bucks for his off the field activities.
Is it any less legitimate than Mainoo getting an assist for the Cunha goal on Sunday?
I guess, a bit. That's basically another reason why I have a bit of an issue with "assists" as a stat though.
Ultimately, a goal is a goal. We can separate out "non-penalty goals", but goals are the most important thing in football, so it doesn't really matter if you score one because it bounced in off your arse, or whether you curled it in to the top corner from 30 yards.
Assists (and I've seen "pre-assist" a fair bit lately too) are a step removed from a goal, and can range from a defence splitting, 50-yard pass, to a rebounded shot, to a two-yard flick that leaves the scorer still having to get by three defenders, to kicking the ball at someone's hand to win a penalty.
It all just seems a bit subjective.
Arguing the toss about a lad who has scored 3 league goals
Pretty much all stats are subjective because they lack context, that's why I rely on the eye-test, I don't need a stat to tell me whether an assist is really an assist or whether a goal was mostly skill or luck or a bit of both