Well we did have a dumb feck telling the World he’d prefer to play his GK coach than Rashford.
Kinda fecks your bargaining position that.
I’d say we’re pretty fecked, he’ll wanna stay and Barca know we have no real choice but to sell.
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Well we did have a dumb feck telling the World he’d prefer to play his GK coach than Rashford.
Kinda fecks your bargaining position that.
I’d say we’re pretty fecked, he’ll wanna stay and Barca know we have no real choice but to sell.
Yeah, that must be it
He is doing quite well at Barca, who I expect will cough up the fee, if not, then I think his stint at Barca makes him a sellable asset now, whatever Amorim said does not negate Rashford's performance and ability plus the low fee that would probably be expected, teams like Arsenal or Chelsea or even Spurs could make a use of someone like Rashford, who is very experienced PL level LW, not sure if his wage demands will be a stumbling block, but assuming he asks for a reasonable wages (maybe 180K), plenty of clubs will be interested in him if Barca do not cough up the low fee they agreed with the club.
*That stays monogamous but allows him to have a bit of fun on the side.
There’s been a notable shift in the mood music since Amorim left.
From
“We like Rashford, but we aren’t paying the fee” to
“You can’t have him back, our option takes precedence”
Obviously just media talk, but there’s something in it, and the negativity of the manager and the way he treated players does make a difference.
He isnt having an insanely brilliant season. A good season yes but insanely brilliant?
Meh, it doesn't really.
Player quality > manager comments.
The pre-agreed fee is essentially feck all.
I would love that. A nice fee and can finally close this thread? Irrespective of a manager, a player should bleed for our club. Good riddance.
However, we have managed to loan him to the one big club possibly unable to afford that fee.
I love the idea that a players value falls through the floor because their parent club don't want them. Football is massive money. Clubs won't cut off their noses to spite their faces. If £26m represents good value for money and they want to keep him, they will pay it. They might try to push their luck and negotiate but they risk losing the player if they do that and don't ultimately pay what we are asking (within reason).
If they don't sign him, it will be because they don't think he is worth it or they don't think they need him. They won't say "sure, hes actually worth £40m to us but we really have United over a barrel so we won't pay more than £15m".
If they don't sign him, it will be because they don't think he is worth it or they don't think they need him. They won't say "sure, hes actually worth £40m to us but we really have United over a barrel so we won't pay more than £15m".
Not sure what the alternative was considering Rashford insisted on it.
I’ve not watched a single minute of him, but i have seen Barca fans complain about him online. So is he doing insanely brilliant or not great?
Surely Wilcox and Berrada will want to sell him asap when the season ends, given that Flick likes him, he's playing well and happier, and because it helps clarify/free up budget for our purchases of 1-2 CMs, a RB etc? If he goes to the World Cup and has a good tournament (very possible), this will complicate the fee as Utd would then demand more than what will undoubtedly be a low-balled initial offer from Barca. As it will be for other teams around us, the WC is really going to screw up summer plans and pre-season, but surely Wilcox is thinking it's best for all parties if the Rashford situation is wrapped up fast, even if Carrick wants him to stay. Fat too much complicated history now been the club and Rashford.
Agreed some of the takes in this thread are kind of contradictory Like Amorim crashed Rashford Value otherwise we could have gotton more but some How Clubs arent eager to pay the Discounted Price either .
Reality is Rashford wages are such its almost impossible to sell most likely scenario is he would go out on loans till his contract runs out .
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Wait - aren't those the lyrics to "Fitter, Happier" by Radiohead?
Please buy him Barca
There wasn't that much interest in his services, was there?
And even then, it only came about when Nico Williams signed a new contract with Bilbao.
Yes and no.
Part of the problem in our scenario is that Barcelona are skint and Rashford is fairly clear about what he wants. Maybe there'd be a bit of a concern from their side if he was performing better and more open to joining other clubs, but the impression is that he's going to be more than happy to sit back and try to force a lower transfer fee if Barcelona don't cough up the pre-agreed fee.
Could've joined Aston Villa for the pre-agreed fee.
They are not going to buy him, are they? I would even understand it. Chances are that his performances will drop of a cliff after the world cup is done and he has signed a permanent deal. At least that has been the pattern of his career until now, why would it change all of a sudden?
The issue has always been the hype, praise and ego. He’s a decent footballer. Good squad player, rotation option, etc. He’s been elevated to a level his talent has simply never been able to justify and that’s why you see the excuses that would be never be made for a genuine top talent
Oh he would have been world class today, but you see someone wrote a column that didn’t lavish him with praise, so that’s the reason why he walked around the pitch and has for the last few weeks
I’ve never known talent be so precious and fragile that adversity the equivalent to a slight breeze can make him to look like a Championship level player so often
“Wasn’t his best game. Probably still remembers that parking ticket he got last year”
He’s fully embracing his ‘Poor orphan Annie” era now.
Ever expanded stats where we goal from goals to goals + assists to “goal involvements” and will probably end up with a stat for “goal adjacent” where it’ll count if he was in the stadium at a time any goal was scored.
The coverage, the salary, the ego and the PR work really masks the fact this is a pretty decent, average football player who for some reason has been treated like a generational talent by too many people. He’s in a very competitive market as the number of players that can provide what he can - for far less money than he’ll demand - are not in short supply.
Oh he would have been world class today, but you see someone wrote a column that didn’t lavish him with praise, so that’s the reason why he walked around the pitch and has for the last few weeks
I’ve never known talent be so precious and fragile that adversity the equivalent to a slight breeze can make him to look like a Championship level player so often
“Wasn’t his best game. Probably still remembers that parking ticket he got last year”
He’s fully embracing his ‘Poor orphan Annie” era now.
Ever expanded stats where we goal from goals to goals + assists to “goal involvements” and will probably end up with a stat for “goal adjacent” where it’ll count if he was in the stadium at a time any goal was scored.
The coverage, the salary, the ego and the PR work really masks the fact this is a pretty decent, average football player who for some reason has been treated like a generational talent by too many people. He’s in a very competitive market as the number of players that can provide what he can - for far less money than he’ll demand - are not in short supply.
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Wasn't that £40 million, with them not really being interested at that price?
He'd basically ruled out the move anyway, but a few months of okay form wasn't very enticing for them.
You think it’s just Amorim driven dislike?
How Villa were never interested in excercising the option , both Rashford and Villa I believe were pretty non commital from the very beginning all the noise was it's a stop gap arrangement till summer and that's what it proved to be .
He has 4 league goals but his stats are being inflated by some assists. Some people think that’s enough. I don’t think Barca will buy him unless he ups the amount of goals scored
His wages are the problem unless he commits to something like 150-180 k Barca aren't signing him permanently even on free .
I think Amorim had a problem with players that had a very opinionated entourage around them and Rashford certainly falls into that category. Given the drama about "free Kobie" or whatever they said, I would hazard a guess that with Mainoo the problems Amorim saw weren't really football related either. I'm not saying that this is a goo attitude for a coach/manager to have but I had the feeling it was driving a lot of the decisions on what players he would consider having the "right" attitude to play for him.
He's the definition of an agenda poster on this issue.
He never acknowledges that Rashford had an extended period of poor form and obvious lack of effort (which included him being dropped by England for Euro 2024), seems to have selective amnesia about Rashford's decision to skip training before a match to go on a piss-up in Belfast, six months after signing his big contract, and has also seemingly forgotten that both Garnacho and Rashford were dropped by Amorim, but even Garnacho managed to show him up for a lack of professionalism and application, getting back into the team fairly quickly, while Rashford was out sitting down to tell the media he had no future at the club.
He's also feigned ignorance on the matter of Rashford's astronomical wage, and the knock-on effects that would have on his teammates asking for better deals and the club's ability to sign new players, should he return.
The only thing he's interested in doing is pretending that anyone who doesn't believe the sun shines out of Rashford's arse is some sort of naive imbecile, taken in by a few comments from Amorim.
Wasn't the story that they were interested in turning it into a permanent deal but dropped out since Rashford wasn't interested?
Nah they were pretty non commital from the very beginning just Like Rashford .
I remember reports that he wasn't interested in negotiating his wages down, and that ultimately made the decision for them.
That’s also very true
He was a decent footballer a while ago and, while being it, still had massive flaws in his game, the main one being his IQ.
I miss the days when a talent was a Quaresma or a Nani. Nowadays any speed merchant with a bit of dribbling ability is a "talent". And yes, you are right, he, like most English players with 10% flair on them, has been treated like he's some sort of Rooney regen.
High-lights watchers (like me i guess!). Both Barca fans i know couldn't care less if they kept him. According to them he's ok as an impact sub but they want someone of better quality, they also complain about his work rate. Raphina is three times the player and works his bollocks off, there's a notable drop off when rashford plays who doesn't seem to think he has to press with the same intensity. (Not my words - don't shoot the messenger)
Given everything we’re hearing about how he’s loving life in Barcelona it’ll be interesting from a ”what motivates him” perspective to see if he turns them down because he doesn’t want to lose out on an astronomical wage as opposed to a huge one.
Not many would want to lose out on 20-25 m .
23 goal contributions in all competitions for Barcelona
- 1903 minutes, meaning 1g/a per 82 minutes or 1.09 g/a per 90
10 goal contributions in all competitions for Aston Villa
-940 minutes, meaning 1g/a per 94 minutes or 0.96 g/a per 90
It's not world class, and relatively he seems to do be doing better in cup competitions than the league but the way some talk about him as if he's some average player is just laughable. He is doing very well in terms of producing.
- 1903 minutes, meaning 1g/a per 82 minutes or 1.09 g/a per 90
10 goal contributions in all competitions for Aston Villa
-940 minutes, meaning 1g/a per 94 minutes or 0.96 g/a per 90
It's not world class, and relatively he seems to do be doing better in cup competitions than the league but the way some talk about him as if he's some average player is just laughable. He is doing very well in terms of producing.
Don't forget leaving him be when he goes clubbing in Belfast a night before training.
That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying if you’re worth hundreds of millions and you choose another 20-25 and misery over happiness and 20-25m less then questions will arise over what your motivation is.
People in regular jobs might need the extra 10% in their bank accounts to cover their expenses, people in Rashford’s salary bracket generally don’t need to make those decisions to make ends meet.